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johnwayne
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trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. *DELETED*
#10530594 - 06/18/09 02:15 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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ABC
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: johnwayne]
#10530616 - 06/18/09 02:18 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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q tip test is bunk
that's definitely mold
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: ABC]
#10530630 - 06/18/09 02:20 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Looks like a healthy pot of trich you've got there ;p
You need to make sure everything that gets near your shrooms is steralized ;p
-------------------- chris606 said: some 1 told me to try long brown rice and water and vermiculite and pressure cook for 1 hour i did but nothing happen that is y was wonting to no if i need spores
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: ABC]
#10530641 - 06/18/09 02:21 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: I can't really tell from the pictures, but the way you can check is that molds will appear as a separate layer above the cake. They will look as though green or blue powder was sprinkled in that area. If the cake itself is blue or blue-green on top, with no distinct layer, it's bruising. Also, if you touch mold spores with a q tip, they rub right off onto the q tip. If it's bruising, the q tip stays clean. RR
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: johnwayne]
#10530916 - 06/18/09 03:08 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's probably an old post. Here is a more recent one
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RogerRabbit said:
The q-tip test has been repeatedly proved bogus. Bruised mycelium will often rub off on the q-tip, causing people to toss out good projects.
Bruising is easy to tell from molds. Mold spores look like green sand on the surface as a distinct layer above the substrate. Bruising is the color of the mycelium itself, as if you spilled blue or green ink and it soaked in. RR
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: ABC]
#10531245 - 06/18/09 04:12 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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ABC, thats where i get confused, if you take a look at the last picture(the clear one) it doesnt look like sand or grain, it doesnt look like a topping, it looks like the mycelium....now i think, really not sure, but i think this is pink buffalo. If that matters at all, i know there are strains that bruise green, but i dont think pink buff is one of them...
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: johnwayne]
#10532310 - 06/18/09 07:10 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yea it's tricky. That's mold mycelium though. The green spores are a dead give-away too
bruising mycelium doesn't form that kind of structure. Some fruits bruise blue-green, but not forest green
Edited by ABC (06/18/09 07:11 PM)
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: ABC]
#10533338 - 06/18/09 09:55 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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The q-tip test is bunk, and I don't remember even writing that first quote, but it must have been right after someone posted it and I was repeating, before I had proved it an unreliable tek.
That's obvious trich, not bruising. RR
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johnwayne
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10533618 - 06/18/09 10:33 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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okay, so i just looked at a colonizing tub and i think i have a small patch of the same stuff......
next question, should i try to cut it out and put lime in the area? or salt.
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johnwayne
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: johnwayne]
#10533643 - 06/18/09 10:37 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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i have hydrated lime, but no table salt, so if i can use that it would be cool
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: johnwayne]
#10533680 - 06/18/09 10:43 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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I honestly don't think those have a chance of recovery. If you must try, move them outdoors, burying them in a shady-ish spot. But, I don't see any mushroom mycelium.
Salt paste is really only used mid-flush, to stall the trich until harvest
Cutting/removing is generally ineffective
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: ABC]
#10533790 - 06/18/09 11:04 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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ya i know the garden thing is shot, but i have a mono thats colonizing...the trich area was next to a vent hole, so i guess the duct tape loosened up, so i resealed the hole from the outside, open the tub, used a clean spoon to scoop away the area, then put down hydrated lime in the area, until i couldnt see coir anymore.....when i scooped it away under the location didnt seem colonized so i hope i caught it quick enough.
the garden pot i too put down hydrated lime on the surface, just as a test and to show my love for trich
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: johnwayne]
#10533951 - 06/18/09 11:32 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: It starts from within the substrate as a snow white mycelium, then when it reaches the surface, it sporulates with green spores. There should not be green within the interior of the cake. RR
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RogerRabbit said: Green molds are on the surface, not deep inside. RR
if this is correct, then i hope, really hope i was able to get it all, and with the lime stop any i missed.
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johnwayne
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: johnwayne]
#10533967 - 06/18/09 11:35 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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i'm really thinking about adding Banrot to my substrate so i dont have to worry about trich at all.
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johnwayne
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Re: trichoderma or green bruising, you decide. [Re: johnwayne]
#10534037 - 06/18/09 11:46 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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well maybe Rhododendron leaves cause banrot is pricie.....i just hope i can find some, with 1000 species i'm sure me and the dog can find some on our walks.
rr, did you ever test copper? and if i had contaminated jars, and i spawned them to a substrate with Rhododendron leaves would that stop the development of said contamination?
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