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 Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. 
#10376163 - 05/21/09 12:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If there is a concrete, absolute, single truth to existance, can one ever know it?
Is there any way to know, what knowing is?
Can one absolutely, undeniably, know that they know?
Or are why just left with thinking we know, believing we know.
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Wasteland]
#10376233 - 05/21/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Knowledge is awareness. I think it's possible to be aware of the 'truth', whatever that may be.
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan   fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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deCypher
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Poid]
#10376348 - 05/21/09 01:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said: I think it's possible to be aware of the 'truth', whatever that may be.
How would you know that what you're aware of is the truth, unless you assume that you already know the truth and can compare your own beliefs to this?
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Wasteland]
#10376408 - 05/21/09 01:39 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Help yourself and revisit Hume, Kant and Schopenhauer and enjoy them as you see fit. Of these three, in my opinion, we are unwillingly underexposed.
As an aperitif, one could recommend
http://philotube.blogspot.com/search/label/Hume
http://philotube.blogspot.com/search/label/Kant
http://philotube.blogspot.com/search/label/Schopenhauer
 
edit: change "Reply to"
Edited by deimya (05/23/09 06:40 PM)
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: deCypher]
#10376464 - 05/21/09 01:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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Poid said: I think it's possible to be aware of the 'truth', whatever that may be.
How would you know that what you're aware of is the truth, unless you assume that you already know the truth and can compare your own beliefs to this?
Maybe you're aware of the truth, but aren't aware that what you're aware of is the truth. 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Poid]
#10377873 - 05/21/09 05:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Indeed, or maybe there isn't any truth to begin with.
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: deCypher]
#10377876 - 05/21/09 05:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Isn't it true that the sky is blue?
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Poid]
#10377891 - 05/21/09 05:46 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said:
Isn't it true that the sky is blue?
Right now the sky appears to be a very nice shade of gray where I live. 
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: deCypher]
#10377925 - 05/21/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Those are rainclouds, which indicate that a level 5 storm is approaching. Am I true? 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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deCypher
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Poid]
#10377933 - 05/21/09 05:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Your metereological predictions are most likely correct, but I cannot say that they are in fact true. (Although for the sake of some enjoyable rain, I would hope they are.)
I think the only statement one can say is true is 'I exist', but even this seems questionable.
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: deCypher]
#10377939 - 05/21/09 05:54 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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What about the statement 'you exist'?
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Poid]
#10377948 - 05/21/09 05:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said:
Isn't it true that the sky is blue?
The "blue" of the sky is experienced as it is because only a small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum is available to the perceptual faculties of the human eye, but since there is actually a far greater spectrum, "blue" is only relatively real, a convention of the mind to describe something that appears in the limited perceptual process of sight; and even if "blue" were an inherent and knowable quality, the sky only appears blue - and even then only on a sunny, cloudless day - because of the interaction of the Sun's light with Earth's atmosphere.
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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deCypher
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Poid]
#10377952 - 05/21/09 05:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said:
What about the statement 'you exist'?
What 'you'? I'm just enjoying this conversation with a figment of my imagination right now.
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Lion]
#10377954 - 05/21/09 05:55 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Is what you're saying true?
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Poid]
#10377990 - 05/21/09 06:00 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said:
What about the statement 'you exist'?
In my opinion one cannot be certain whether another person exists, or even if oneself exists, as the possibility that reality is solely a spontaneously-arising projection of primordial mind can never be negated.
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Lion]
#10377994 - 05/21/09 06:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lion said: or even if oneself exists
The act of questioning seems to self-evidently prove one's own existence, though.
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Poid]
#10377998 - 05/21/09 06:02 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Poid said:
Is what you're saying true?
Relatively, AFAIK. 
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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deimya
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Lion]
#10378025 - 05/21/09 06:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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and that in itself doesn't taint the fullness of the human experience other than for those who indulge monomaniacally in what is, first and foremost, a simple and inexpensive thought, a swift breeze across one's landscape, imaginary or not.
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: deCypher]
#10378045 - 05/21/09 06:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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Lion said: or even if oneself exists
The act of questioning seems to self-evidently prove one's own existence, though.
It does seem to, but questioning can subside into non-questioning, in which case what is left of the self that questioned its own existence? What remains of course is the aggregate sensations of the body and the perceptual field with which it seems to interact, but where is inherent existence to be found in any of this constantly-changing interaction? Might not a false self be created when the desire to know arises, and die when the desire subsides?
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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Pseudo-philosophic jibberish. [Re: Lion]
#10378049 - 05/21/09 06:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lion said:
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Poid said:
What about the statement 'you exist'?
In my opinion one cannot be certain whether another person exists, or even if oneself exists, as the possibility that reality is solely a spontaneously-arising projection of primordial mind can never be negated.
Even if reality is solely a spontanously-arising projection of primordial mind, I don't get how that makes it non-existant...
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deCypher said:
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Lion said: or even if oneself exists
The act of questioning seems to self-evidently prove one's own existence, though.
Yup.
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Lion said:
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Poid said:
Is what you're saying true?
Relatively, AFAIK.
 , you're not sure! 
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