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 sclerotia grow will this be ok? 
#10375502 - 05/21/09 10:30 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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okay so i've been doing alot of reading on sclerotia and i'd like to give it a try so i'm ordering a syringe of mexi-A now my questions is i don't have a pc(i know i'm getting one this summer) so i thought about buying the 4lb rye berry bag from mycopath and just inoculating it then just set and forget right? and i'm guessing it's going to take longer than 3mo's using that much substrate maybe yes? maybe no? and finally how do you know when is the optimal time for harvest of the stones all i want are the stones i'm not going to try n fruit this i have other projects going on for fruits but any help would be appreciated thank you in advanced
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: limebus26]
#10375540 - 05/21/09 10:40 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sclerotia are traditionally grown on rye grass seed, not rye grain. Sclerotia-producing species don't have as much practical research applied to them yet.
But I'm sure somebody has tried it and the Search Engine probably could give you some good info.
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: Doc_T]
#10375669 - 05/21/09 11:14 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i did use the search engine i read alot in fact i did about 7 months of reading before i even signed up i thought i read on one post rr said berries are better i could be wrong so don't hold that against me i got laid off i do too much reading i think  anyway i was just trying to get some input from people with knowledge in sclerotia growth cause the grass seed can be done thank you for your response
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: limebus26]
#10375684 - 05/21/09 11:16 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I read that same post. I'd go for it. If you do- post pics!
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: Doc_T]
#10375746 - 05/21/09 11:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea haha i just re-read it to be sure my main concerns lay in the fact that it's a 4lb bag so i'm guessing longer time to colonize and do it's thing which as I've read more time = better chances at contam and well i fingered the bag is pre-sterilized and since it wouldn't be opened till harvest that would cut out the contam problems i guess what i'm looking for is people with experience in growing sclerotia to tell me what problems i may encounter doing it this way how long i should wait to open the bag and when's the best time to harvest cause i'm a patient person so if waiting forever would give me more weight w/o loss of potency i wouldn't mind waiting but if there's a decrease in potency for waiting i'd like to know how to figure optimum harvest time
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: Doc_T]
#10375777 - 05/21/09 11:34 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, it is ok and does work to grow Mexicana A-Stran on rye berries. Most use rye grass seed but samples for lab use are normally grown on rye berries.
Just remember that the incubation time on sclerotia forming mycilia is a lot longer than for other Psilocybes. I would suggest 3 to 4 months for good formations.
If you take a little longer with them and get them to fruit, the mushrooms will blow your mind! They are a lot stronger than normal cubensis (Subjective testing)
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: Cyber]
#10375955 - 05/21/09 12:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea i was thinking about this and i know i've read the answer somewhere so lets say i let it incubate for 3 or 4 months when i open the bag do i take out what sclerotia that has already grown then spawn to some bulk, case and try to fruit ? i'm not to worried about fruiting i heard they're harder to fruit then cubes and i'm a noob so this is more about obtaining sclerotia but why not try right? and well i'll have a few months to think that threw anyway i just thought this would be my best route to get sclerotia without having a pc and like i said b4 i will be getting on but i'm a cheap person and i'm waiting to see one at a garage sale or thrift store
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: limebus26]
#10376103 - 05/21/09 12:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you are going to fruit it you want to leave the sclerotia in. I read some where that it fruits from the sclerotia but I have not seen that. I do know that everything said to leave it in. If you fruit it remember, it takes a good month to start pinning. You also must case it to get it to fruit.
Ordering a bag is not a problem. I picked up a 23 qt pressure cooker from e-bay for 20$ I never found one at a garage sale and only small ones at the thrift store.
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: Cyber]
#10376185 - 05/21/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea i think i'm just going to go for sclerotia since that's what this project is all about never gotten to eat any and have always been intrested in it heard it's a bit differ trip the only reason i'd want to fruit is to get more spores for a later date but i'm a noob and i'd like to get a few other grows under my belt b4 trying too much
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: limebus26]
#10378344 - 05/21/09 07:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'm still wondering since it'll be a four pound bag wouldn't this take a hell of alot longer than a quart jar which i've read takes 3 months ??? anyone with bulk sclerotia exp?
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: limebus26]
#10379530 - 05/22/09 12:15 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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They sometimes choke with an oxygen lack. Stones can be formed in an integumentary layer sated with nitrogen in considerable quantities. For this purpose the integumentary layer should be thick, friable, damp. Under such circumstances it is possible to collect stones and fruit in enough.
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: Razoom]
#10380477 - 05/22/09 06:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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hmm sounds like i have some more reading to do specially like what integumentary means razoom do you have any links or anything that might help me along are you saying this might fail do to lack oxygen their is a gas exchange filter on the bag will this not be enough? i'm sorry if i'm sounding ignorant but even reading all the journals and posts that i have i'm not sure i have complete info on the subject oh well still got a couple more weeks to have the stuff all ordered and arrived but thanks for the post and i'll be doing more research
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: limebus26]
#10380536 - 05/22/09 06:56 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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No it should not take any longer, the initial colonization of the substrate is done in the first month or so. Once it is colonized the amount of time to form sclerotia is the same.
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: Cyber]
#10382234 - 05/22/09 01:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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How much spore solution should one inject into the bag?
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: BandStar]
#10382327 - 05/22/09 02:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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1 to 2 CC's is normally enough to get it started.
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: Cyber]
#10382476 - 05/22/09 02:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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sweet my friend thanks for a sound answer like i said i just wanna see what they're all about they sound tasty! and i'm quite curious to see the diff in trips sounds up my alley
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: limebus26]
#10386310 - 05/23/09 01:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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The filter can be enough, or can not to be enough. It is subjective. They are more exacting to oxygen than cub. Much more.
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: Razoom]
#10389660 - 05/24/09 05:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Razoom said:
They are more exacting to oxygen than cub. Much more.
Funny, I have not noticed this. They had no issues growing in quart jars with the same setup as a cubinsis.
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: Cyber]
#10389923 - 05/24/09 08:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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The bags of rye berries will work fine. When you get a pressure cooker and make your own, use weak liquid coffee to hydrate the rye berries and you cut that 4 month sclerotia production figure down to six weeks.
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Re: sclerotia grow will this be ok? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#10390065 - 05/24/09 09:03 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
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The bags of rye berries will work fine. When you get a pressure cooker and make your own, use weak liquid coffee to hydrate the rye berries and you cut that 4 month sclerotia production figure down to six weeks.
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