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Lucid_Euphoria
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Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure
#10361895 - 05/18/09 11:24 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm peicing together a full procedure for myself from all the info I've gathered from books and this forum.
1. I'm looking for a casing material that I don't have to sterilize. I want something I can just use with minimal prep time.
2. I'm also looking for a bulk substrate mixture that will be sturdy and not crack easily when moved/shook around a bit. My available materials for said substrate mix are: Coir, Coffee, Straw, Worm Castings, Vermiculite, Gypsum, Oyster Shell.
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10361910 - 05/18/09 11:27 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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1- casing layers should not be sterilised, they are pasturised. 50/50+. MGMC is already prepared but it may still have to be pasturised.
2 - I dont think that the substrate used determines how storng it holds together. The substrate doesnt hold the mycelium together, the mycelium colinised the substrate eating it, and forming a network that forms a block, keeping in food and moisture and using as needed.
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10361916 - 05/18/09 11:28 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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As for the casing material, I use coir straight out of the package and have had no contam problems
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Lucid_Euphoria
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Awestruck]
#10361952 - 05/18/09 11:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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As for the casing material, I use coir straight out of the package and have had no contam problems
Coir has contains nutrients and isn't optimal for casing material
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1- casing layers should not be sterilised, they are pasturised. 50/50+. MGMC is already prepared but it may still have to be pasturised.
Since you don't need nutritional value from your casing layer, then there is no point in pastuerizing it to my understanding. You merely want a clean micro environment with moisture to promote hyphal knotting/pinning I thought.
To add onto the discussion thus far, I have another question also.
3. Does anyone know where I can get the lids Agar has shown in this thread, also shown in his sig. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=30&Number=6817701&fpart=&PHPSESSID=
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Awestruck]
#10361953 - 05/18/09 11:37 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Awestruck said: As for the casing material, I use coir straight out of the package and have had no contam problems
i cant believe people are still using coir as a casing layer, when its a great bulk substrate. Spawn you shit to coir/coffee/gypsum and fruit it uncased.
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Lucid_Euphoria
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10362051 - 05/18/09 11:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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4. I also read in the Psilocybin Handbook that they would add 1/4 tsp. of calcium carbonate as well as 6mL of 3% Peroxide solution to thier grain jars prior to sterilization.
Will the calcium carbonate help balance the PH of the substrate down the road? Will the peroxide be absorbed into the grain while being sterilized and help prevent possible contams?
I just don't see why they used these in thier grain jars. They also used gypsum which I understand is to help keep the grains from clumping.
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blood4blood
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10362080 - 05/19/09 12:05 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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just use alittle bit of gypsum to your soak water. everything else is unnecessary.
you can fruit your tubs uncased just fine. i used to get great results fruiting uncased.
any combo's for a sub shouldn't crumble on you as long as its fully colonized. the only subs that Ive have fall apart in my hands were ones that either werent fully colonized or they were contaminated.
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Lucid_Euphoria
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10362145 - 05/19/09 12:19 AM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for your input Blood
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10365616 - 05/19/09 05:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Anyone else have any input on these subjects?
Or can direct me where to get those lids Agar uses or where to buy the materials needed?
-------------------- PAN CYAN & AZURE FOR TRADE "If ignorance is bliss, THEN KNOCK THE SMILE OFF MY FACE!" - Zach de la Rocha "Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather!" -Bill Hicks-
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10366155 - 05/19/09 07:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lucid_Euphoria said: I'm peicing together a full procedure for myself from all the info I've gathered from books and this forum.
1. I'm looking for a casing material that I don't have to sterilize. I want something I can just use with minimal prep time.
RULE#2 (in this hobby) ...(is) DON'T TAKE SHORTCUTS!
(Rule #1 being; TELL NO ONE MAN!)
out of curiosity; why are u needing it to be "Sturdy?" What gives? just set it and forget it; don't "Move it all around" and "Play" with it
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Lucid_Euphoria
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: FellowGrower]
#10366285 - 05/19/09 08:06 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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RULE#2 (in this hobby) ...(is) DON'T TAKE SHORTCUTS!
I believe in simplicity. Minimal steps means minimal chances to go wrong. I think I'll just skip casing all together. Hows that for a shortcut?
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out of curiosity; why are u needing it to be "Sturdy?" What gives?
I want a sturdy sub so that when I'm floating it in water for re-hydration, there is less chance of it cracking a breaking apart. After reading some more last night though, I think I'll just straight add water/peroxide into the bottom and let it absorb it that way, while blocking off the surface with foil/wax to build up CO2 for pinning the second flush.
-------------------- PAN CYAN & AZURE FOR TRADE "If ignorance is bliss, THEN KNOCK THE SMILE OFF MY FACE!" - Zach de la Rocha "Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Here's Tom with the weather!" -Bill Hicks-
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10366953 - 05/19/09 09:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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your over complicating things man.
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: blood4blood]
#10366989 - 05/19/09 10:05 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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I use Peat Moss, Calcium Carbonate, gypsum and Vermiculite for my casing mix. I then pasteurize for about 90 mins at 160F.
Then I repasterize in 2 days for 60 mins. Repasterizing isn't necessary, but it helps me sleep at night.
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Lucid_Euphoria
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: riosricky]
#10367025 - 05/19/09 10:13 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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your over complicating things man.
What is complicated?
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Then I repasterize in 2 days for 60 mins.
Now that is over complicating
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10367105 - 05/19/09 10:25 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Then I repasterize in 2 days for 60 mins.
Now that is over complicating
Repasterizing is NOT necessary, but it helps me sleep at night. If repeating something over again is too complicated how did you have success doing that same thing first time
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10367132 - 05/19/09 10:30 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey man, I'm not knockin ya for your method. Like you said, helps you sleep. Just poking fun man
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Re: Looking for a couple answers for my next procedure [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
#10367150 - 05/19/09 10:33 PM (14 years, 10 months ago) |
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Lucid_Euphoria said: 4. I also read in the Psilocybin Handbook that they would add 1/4 tsp. of calcium carbonate as well as 6mL of 3% Peroxide solution to thier grain jars prior to sterilization.
Will the calcium carbonate help balance the PH of the substrate down the road? Will the peroxide be absorbed into the grain while being sterilized and help prevent possible contams?
I just don't see why they used these in thier grain jars. They also used gypsum which I understand is to help keep the grains from clumping.
books are great sources of information, but you have to remember that some of these books have become quite outdated, also books arnt always accurate. For example, i just recently found out that paul stamets book that explains overlay and has a picture of a healthy normal casing layer (possible publisher error)
spawn doesnt need to be ph balanced, h202 isnt going to have any benifit either. Correct grain prep, sterilisation and sterile procedures will ensure you jars remain contaminant free.
Gypsum is a good additivek it helps prevent clumping of grain and also provides calcium and sulphuer, which is benifitical for fruits
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