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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Offlinegluke bastid
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I love you but I don't trust you
    #10302285 - 05/07/09 12:32 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Bob Dylan said
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People were deluded into thinking they were something that they weren't: birds, airplanes, fire hydrants, whatever. People were walking around thinking they were stars.




It is a fact of existence that I can't prove but is intimately knowable to any mountaineer that there are some peaks in this country that have auto roads going to the top of them. Often there is a footpath that climbs up the monster on the other side. You can drive up the auto road or you can walk up the trail. At the top is the peak of the same mountain, and people who drove are standing there looking at the view, and people who walked are also up there looking at the view. But they aren't seeing the same view.

I've often maintained that psychedelics are like the auto road.

What I'm saying now is that how do I even know psychedelics are the auto road? Maybe they are disney land. Space Mountain. Or maybe they are the mountain but when I use them I turn into a car. Who knows? How can I trust those plants...

But I feel like I can trust the hiking trail, above anything else. Time to set out?


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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: gluke bastid]
    #10302486 - 05/07/09 01:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You can never trust anything or anyone. That's only thing you can trust in.

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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: iamconfused]
    #10302636 - 05/07/09 01:42 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I don't trust that psychedelics are the auto-road.

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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: deranger]
    #10302790 - 05/07/09 02:09 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

All I can tell you is that setting out on the hiking trail will allow you to learn by comparison.


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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: laserpig]
    #10302821 - 05/07/09 02:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Who would want to tread the same trail their whole lives...

Wait...

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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: deranger]
    #10303069 - 05/07/09 03:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

the ones who drive come down faster.... plus theirs not room for their car to be up there all the time...

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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: gluke bastid]
    #10303287 - 05/07/09 04:04 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

What do you mean by the hiking trail, exactly?


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and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: Lion]
    #10303421 - 05/07/09 04:31 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Lion said:
What do you mean by the hiking trail, exactly?




choosing one path of life over another or for different reasons


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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: Deekay]
    #10303666 - 05/07/09 05:29 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Why choose a path?  Why not follow how you feel?

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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: gluke bastid]
    #10303763 - 05/07/09 05:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

gluke bastid said:
Bob Dylan said
Quote:

People were deluded into thinking they were something that they weren't: birds, airplanes, fire hydrants, whatever. People were walking around thinking they were stars.




It is a fact of existence that I can't prove but is intimately knowable to any mountaineer that there are some peaks in this country that have auto roads going to the top of them. Often there is a footpath that climbs up the monster on the other side. You can drive up the auto road or you can walk up the trail. At the top is the peak of the same mountain, and people who drove are standing there looking at the view, and people who walked are also up there looking at the view. But they aren't seeing the same view.

I've often maintained that psychedelics are like the auto road.

What I'm saying now is that how do I even know psychedelics are the auto road? Maybe they are disney land. Space Mountain. Or maybe they are the mountain but when I use them I turn into a car. Who knows? How can I trust those plants...

But I feel like I can trust the hiking trail, above anything else. Time to set out?




If you wish to base reality on subjective hallucinations, have at it.  Just don't expect everyone to agree with what only you can see.  The looney bin is filled with people like that.


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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: Mastamike1118]
    #10303810 - 05/07/09 05:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Mastamike1118 said:
the ones who drive come down faster.... plus theirs not room for their car to be up there all the time...




can one walk and drive at the same time?  or drive, wait till the car breaks down, then walk?

I NEED ANSWERS.

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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: deranger]
    #10304101 - 05/07/09 06:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'm riding the elephant.


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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: deranger]
    #10304310 - 05/07/09 07:20 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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deranger said:
Quote:

Mastamike1118 said:
the ones who drive come down faster.... plus theirs not room for their car to be up there all the time...




can one walk and drive at the same time?  or drive, wait till the car breaks down, then walk?

I NEED ANSWERS.




ahhah shit i dont know... whatever works...take a jetplane shit fuck that rocketship!!!

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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: Mastamike1118]
    #10305399 - 05/07/09 10:41 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The reason that the autoroad and walk path end at a different view is because people walking up the mountain have a different set of significances to the perceptions they are having, compared to the people who drive up the road.

How does this relate to trips?

Well think of the two categories of people as being on different 'trips' even though they took no drug. They are in the same world seeing different things.


Perhaps if you consider 'enlightenment' or something like that as a view of a landscape, then you could perhaps liken taking drugs to the auto road and natural meditation as the walking track

but I cant talk about that much because ive never known of anyone to actually acheive psychedelic states without using drugs. i mean the whole PSYCHEDELIC TRIP thing


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Re: I love you but I don't trust you [Re: Noteworthy]
    #10306251 - 05/08/09 02:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

yes but it is just the same... the visuals are the least important imo

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