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Invisiblelwns
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ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs
    #10233902 - 04/25/09 10:53 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)








Habitat: Ground, in garden. Growing near dead log, with lots of bark, twigs, leaves etc around. Patch surrounded by shrubs.

Gills: Larger ones are black, smaller ones are white.

Stem: White, 5mm wide.

Cap: Smoothish, dark brown on top of cap, going down to lighter on the edge

Bruising: No colour change

Location: Eastern Suburbs of Melbourne, bushy property.



ANY help in identifying these would be great.

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Re: ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs [Re: lwns]
    #10233916 - 04/25/09 10:58 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Coprinellus or Coprinopsis species.  Also known as "Inky Caps". 

Did they have any little white granules on the cap?


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Invisiblelwns
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Re: ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs [Re: CureCat]
    #10233933 - 04/25/09 11:01 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

yep they did

guessing they're not active? and are they poisonous?

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InvisibleParaboloid
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Re: ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs [Re: lwns]
    #10233987 - 04/25/09 11:15 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Coprinellus truncorum

as undergrounder suggested in another thread, thats the aussie version of Coprinellus micaceus

not active, not poisonous (unless consumed with alcohol - possibly), and said to be pretty good edible if u find them while young (before the gills turn black) and fry them up within an hour or so (before they turn to slime)


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Re: ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs [Re: lwns]
    #10233994 - 04/25/09 11:16 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

If they did have the granules, then they are probably Coprinellus micaceus, the "Glistening Inky Cap".  They are edible when the gills are still white.  Not active.


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Re: ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs [Re: CureCat]
    #10234021 - 04/25/09 11:22 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thanks heaps guys:grin:

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Re: ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs [Re: Paraboloid]
    #10234174 - 04/26/09 12:00 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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Paraboloid said:
Coprinellus truncorum



Good call.


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Paraboloid said:
not poisonous (unless consumed with alcohol - possibly)



Possibly?  What makes you think that any species of Coprinellus contain coprine??  As I mentioned in another thread, coprine has only been found in some species of Coprinopsis, no other genera- as far as I am aware, and I have looked into it.


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Re: ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs [Re: CureCat]
    #10234282 - 04/26/09 12:21 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I'm still not sure which ones cause poisoning and which dont, I know its mostly atramentaria, but now and then I read someone say micaceus, comatus, etc cause poisoning when consumed with alcohol - thats why I said possibly.

also someone at a lecture at the santa cruz fungus faire said to be careful with the entire inky caps as a whole concerning alcohol, because "certain cases have been reported involving coprinus that supposedly do not contain coprine"
including comatus, which arora also said to be weary of for the same reason, it has no been proven to contain coprine but theres been reported cases when mixing it with alcohol.

and this whole splitting of the Coprinus genus just has me shitting pineapples on a daily basis.

is there any confirmed paperwork stating which have coprine and which dont?


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Re: ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs [Re: Paraboloid]
    #10234415 - 04/26/09 12:57 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm still not sure which ones cause poisoning and which dont, I know its mostly atramentaria, but now and then I read someone say micaceus, comatus, etc cause poisoning when consumed with alcohol - thats why I said possibly.

also someone at a lecture at the santa cruz fungus faire said to be careful with the entire inky caps as a whole concerning alcohol, because "certain cases have been reported involving coprinus that supposedly do not contain coprine"
including comatus, which arora also said to be weary of for the same reason, it has no been proven to contain coprine but theres been reported cases when mixing it with alcohol.



Probably misidentifications and/or psychosomatic responses after being told about the chemical in "Inky Caps".

I'm totally unconvinced.  I hear people claiming all sorts of "Inky Caps" have coprine, and watch how that information carries to other people.  It's a wide spread misconception.  A lot of people assume that because so many people say it, there must be some substantiation....  But the truth?  Most people don't look into it.  They just believe what they hear, especially if they hear it from a lot of people.


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and this whole splitting of the Coprinus genus just has me shitting pineapples on a daily basis.



AAHAHAHA!


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is there any confirmed paperwork stating which have coprine and which dont?



http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/817759-overview


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Re: ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs [Re: CureCat]
    #10234521 - 04/26/09 01:28 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

thanks, bookmarked, ill read through it when im not :owned:.


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Re: ID Needed - Melbourne, Eastern Suburbs [Re: Paraboloid]
    #10234581 - 04/26/09 01:40 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

The paper refers to them as Coprinus, though all the species listed are currently in Coprinopsis

The authors of the article are not mycologists, so I guess they shouldn't be expected to keep up with the taxonomy...  Even though the reclassification was published in 2001, and the necessary split up of Coprinus was realized by Redhead in 1994.  It took 7 or 8 years to publish the results because so many people got pissed off....  :rolleyes:


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