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Offlinekoopa_troopa
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Experience with vacuum sealers (esp Seal-A-Meal brand) And stacking presealable spawn bags!?
    #10143183 - 04/10/09 03:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

So my first mistake was letting a friend borrow my AA and impulse sealer last week.. who unbenounced left for vacation Sunday before I could get my babies back (Que Chili's restaurant jingle)..

Pretty pissed bc I had already started hydrating 40lb of WBS, couldnt let it go to waste so I headed on down to the local Target and picked up a cheap vacuum sealer (Seal-A-Meal brand), and busted out my retired vet.. the ol 23 qt Presto I started PCing qrt grain in.. but retired after upgraded to autoclavable bags and the AA.

I sealed up my large presealable spawn bags and stacked them in the PC like usual. I place the rack on 4 shot glasses and filled with water to this level. I then push the  remaining air out of the bags slowly then fold the top over so that the filter patch is along the outside of the bag (does anyone fold presealed bags like this and prefer a filter patch position when doing so?? or have advice on better ways to fold them?), two on the bottom with the filter patches facing the middle of the PC with a jar lid slid between them. Another two bags were placed on top in similar fashion, wrapping wet card board around the sides of the PC to prevent bag warp a a diner plate placed on top of these to prevent the bags from inflating and blocking the release valve. 

Cooked 2hrs at 15 psi, and after pressure returned to 0. I removed the bags while they were still hot.. BUT I noticed 2 things that usually do not happen.. One bags filter patch was slightly damaged, like if a slice of 2 ply toilet paper had the first ply slightly scratched off but the back ply remained intact. I was unsure how bad this was so I immediately placed the bag inside another large bag and sealing it so that the filter patches of the two bags aligned, just incase the first bags filter patch was screwed. Has anyone had this happen before? I was planning to use it for a G2G and am not sure if its done for and if I should toss it or not. Opinions?

Secondly, the water in the bottom of the PC was brown, and seeing as how I steep my birdseed in water from pastuerized poo and coffee, my first thoughts were that one of the bags must have had a small puncture or something that allowed it to leak, but all the bags came out like usual (very tight with no air, as if they were vacuum sealed).. so im not really sure if its that or just the steam that escaped colored the water or if its just the from the one with the partially blown patch.. what do you guys think? And any experience with the "Seal A Meal"? Should I return this thing and get a regular impulse sealer?..  one thing I hate about it already is that when making large wbs spawn bags for G2G I cant use my usual method of rolling the bag opening over 3 or 4 times, securing it with clothes pins, then after removing from the glove box I would seal under this area but above the patch.. now i cant, and am only seal the very top :/ any suggestions or techniques/tricks people have learned with using vacuum sealers like this, especially for G2G???

And any tips on a hilarous revenge skeem to pull on my dubious shroom farmin friend? lol

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Re: Experience with vacuum sealers (esp Seal-A-Meal brand) And stacking presealable spawn bags!? [Re: koopa_troopa]
    #10149180 - 04/11/09 07:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Seriously guys.. I know there are literally thousands of psycho-delicos out there who could possibly lend some advice on this matter.... esp as much as I lend a helping hand around here in areas of my expertise...

I figured someone would atleast try and take a shot at it.. The quality of members around here has became dubious.. appearing to really have taken a hit as of late.. And for those few Hall o Famers or breakthough mycological James Dean type bad asses are all MIA when this movement needs them the most (MonsterMitch,Agar,Hippychick, Wronguy, Ronald Reagan etc etc...  and those still around have either:
1) Have mainly grown jaded and atomic bash noobs (thatll show those jocks in highscool you never desserved a swirly or throw bloody tampons at you resulting in a psychic holocaust.. slayin noobs, no doubt fun but some I see these days have made a career out of it at the expense of the art..basement budget science and its evolution are in a dark age right now.. when with all this base knowledge and mycological explosion of info since the 80s should spawn a renaissance, not a bitch as half pint PF cake
2)Became a mod and are too busy policing forums.. They still drop some knowledge esp RR but many of the advanced users seem to have became very secretive due to financial motivations and are tight lipped on their ongoing research and projects..  and now theyre highlight of the day is banning douches.. masturbating to midget clown porn or following OTD on newbieshroomie theories (he purchased a deprevation chamber and successfully recreated the movie "Altered States" or
3)Has been busted (prob the actual conclusion in #2)/got kicked out of their moms basement/discovered world of warcrack
4)Was murdered by Gary Mills and covered up to resemble a robbery for the lucrative secret Morel production method.. "Ve Vant de Morels Labowski.. er.. I mean Ower."

Hell, I even highlighted the important parts for the lazy asses out there... and dont post that search function bs.. ive probably read 3/4 of this whole damn site by now. Just want some advice from experience or conjectures.. I usually dont bump my own thea but need some advice by the end of tonight.. thanks


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Re: Experience with vacuum sealers (esp Seal-A-Meal brand) And stacking presealable spawn bags!? [Re: koopa_troopa]
    #10149219 - 04/11/09 07:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

You shouldn't be sealing your bags prior to PC, you might get an exploding bag someday.  Rather, fold the gusseted ends in and pinch all the slack against the block so there is no air space, then fold the bag accordion style 3x's and either hold plastic down with rubber band or packaging tape it down but be sure to not seal it shut.  Then place a dinner plate on top of everything to make sure bags dont pop open.  Look at RR's video on spawn bag preparation in the sawdust/chips section of his video:
http://www.iplayerhd.com/player/a204fac6-28fe-419c-aff5-c8ef245aad70.aspx

I don't use impulse sealers, easiest and cheapest thing to do is get some 18gauge picture hanging wire, cut to lengths to about 6in, take the end of the bag and accordion fold it with 1" folds from one side of the bag to the other, then twist the end tight and use the wire to twist around the twisted plastic to hold it shut.  It makes a suprisingly good seal and you can reopen in front of hood for additions/etc.


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Re: Experience with vacuum sealers (esp Seal-A-Meal brand) And stacking presealable spawn bags!? [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
    #10149959 - 04/11/09 11:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Buckeye Oysters said:
You shouldn't be sealing your bags prior to PC, you might get an exploding bag someday.  Rather, fold the gusseted ends in and pinch all the slack against the block so there is no air space, then fold the bag accordion style 3x's and either hold plastic down with rubber band or packaging tape it down but be sure to not seal it shut.  Then place a dinner plate on top of everything to make sure bags dont pop open.  Look at RR's video on spawn bag preparation in the sawdust/chips section of his video:
http://www.iplayerhd.com/player/a204fac6-28fe-419c-aff5-c8ef245aad70.aspx

I don't use impulse sealers, easiest and cheapest thing to do is get some 18gauge picture hanging wire, cut to lengths to about 6in, take the end of the bag and accordion fold it with 1" folds from one side of the bag to the other, then twist the end tight and use the wire to twist around the twisted plastic to hold it shut.  It makes a suprisingly good seal and you can reopen in front of hood for additions/etc.




I have been preparing at least fifty bags a day like this for the past few weeks, keeping all three of my PCs busy ten to eighteen hours a day.  It's still the tek I recommend.  The bags vent when they need to and as the PC cools, they form a vacuum.

One additional thing to protect the tyvek filters on the autoclavable bags is to put a small piece of tyvek over the filter, so that it isn't pressed against the plastic, which it can stick to and be damaged when you unfold the bag.  Since I use tyevek sleeves in each filter patch bag, I fold the part that hangs out over the filter to protect it, unless I'm using the 18" tall bags, and with those, I have tyvek filters cut for jars, and I use one of them over each bag filter during the PC cycle.

We have lives, so don't trash people for not being here full time to answer your questions.  Nobody pays us to do this, so it's best not to make anyone mad, because then they avoid your questions.
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Re: Experience with vacuum sealers (esp Seal-A-Meal brand) And stacking presealable spawn bags!? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #10155402 - 04/12/09 11:45 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

thanks for the imput, I was already aware of your method RR and presealing them in my AA works was just wondering if there was any mods to my tech that would work with presealing in the presto

@ RR: I really dont see how you took that seriously.. It was clearly a bumping joke.. well atleast I thought it was pretty funny seeing as how I DO most of the things listed :smile: I spend so much time on here my girlfriend has threatened to throw my cpu out the window haha.. I have your DVDs so didnt need the link..

@ buckeye, do you loose any from contams this way? Im thinking about using that method but adding a 1/2 inch pvc pipe at the end stuffed tight with poly then pc'ing, ever tried this??


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Re: Experience with vacuum sealers (esp Seal-A-Meal brand) And stacking presealable spawn bags!? [Re: koopa_troopa]
    #10504283 - 06/14/09 12:22 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

The fastest and easiest method I've worked out to balance quick loading/unloading of the PC and avoiding contams is to seal across a cotton ball in the mouth of the bag.  Air can get in & out while PCing but the cotton filters contams when cooling and while waiting for time in the flowhood.

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