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#10133023 - 04/08/09 09:08 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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thought I'd throw a thread out to see what people's thoughts are on this...
how much do you feel diet effects wellbeing... beyond the obvious physical wellbeing... but holistically/spiritually/etc
lately i've been eating very little and i've been feeling amazing... i think there's something special to calorie restriction mixed with trying to stay mindful... perhaps the energy saved from digestion....
i'm also a vegetarian... but i've been thinking about trying veganism... getting rid of dairy (seems to clog things)... maybe even do some sort of fresh food diet for a while
obviously physical health should remain a concern, getting the right nutrients and such... but does anyone have specific experiences with diet adjustments affecting mental/spiritual states? 
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deff]
#10133176 - 04/08/09 09:41 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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I think you are what you eat.
You should be aware of how your choices effect what must die in order for you to live.
Life depends on death, because the building blocks of life are precious and do not spring forth out of nowhere under current earth conditions.
So to appreciate your life should also be to appreciate the death that supports it.
In order for this, you need to know what you are eating and take responsibility of your choices
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: Noteworthy]
#10133191 - 04/08/09 09:45 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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I agree with that... even if one doesn't ascribe to karmic ideas... causing suffering out of ignorance is never a good thing. Being mindful of what you eat, like being mindful of anything, is a good thing.
I also think that trying to do away with routine eating might be beneficial. Eat when hungry, and eat what you feel your body requires. Don't eat out of excessive pleasure as that way of viewing food... and thus life by extension... is one of asleep awareness.
Ideally I'd also like to get into growing my own food when I get my own place... a nice garden to grow seasonal foods... also a nice relaxing hobby I would imagine. 
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deff]
#10133221 - 04/08/09 09:51 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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I think the tastiest food is usually the healthiest. That is, once you grow out of your childhood sweet-tooth stage, and keep your fat intake to a reasonable level. So i think eating for taste is a good way of looking at food.
but more of an auxiliary perspective than a primary one
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deff]
#10133238 - 04/08/09 09:56 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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I always feel better fasting and after fasting, since it seems to be a cleansing. I've also had thoughts of it being unnecessary to indulge in the amounts of food the average person eats to get the 'daily nutritional value'.
Then sometimes i wonder if we need food at all to survive under stress/fear free conditions.
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deff]
#10133272 - 04/08/09 10:05 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Eating may not be quite as synonymous with your conditions of existence than you may believe. That is mentally speaking; because you do have to eat to live, but you also live to eat. Its good to learn the difference. I am on a post mushroom trip fast at the moment (I have fasted a few times); even to my amateur understanding of this, it is very enlightening as to what fundamental conditions are. Also, when I want to make changes to my diet, fasting is a good way to lead up to this. Or maybe it is more appropriately, that fasting generally precedes and often triggers diet changes, and gives a more tangible meaning to them.
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: jvm]
#10133276 - 04/08/09 10:06 PM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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hmmm I imagine if one spent their life in meditation they'd need very little food (akin to asceticism)
I've heard of yogis who transcend the need to ever sleep... they no longer require it as they always stay near the center (and expend very little wasted mental energy)
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deff]
#10134680 - 04/09/09 07:05 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Cool exact same thing happened to me recently. I didn't eat anything at all for a week, didn't sleep for a few days, and my body and mind completely healed. The only thing I did was smoke weed, but even my eyes and face didn't get affected! No physical or bodily signs whatsoever. So maybe the 2012 prophecy is true afterall and the world is starting to awaken.
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deff]
#10134706 - 04/09/09 07:22 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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I think you are what you eat.
I disagree completely.
I think.. your body is what your body eats.
f.e. I used to be a vegetarian. My spirit was satisfied.. but my body was not.
Every vehicle .. needs its own fuel.
You cant give water.. to a car that runs on gas.
I eat meat now.
My point is.. certain body types.. require a certain type of nutrition.. You would be surprised to know that some individuals actually need a lot of nutrients your body would probably reject in the same quantity.
The diet.. is simply meeting the needs of the body.
A diet.. is almost egotistic in its nature.
I say.. use your intuition.
Eat .. what feels good. Not to your taste buds.. but to your well being.
Generally.. a healthy balance would be good for almost all people.
Moderation.. and bombarding the body with unavoidably important vitamins , minerals etc..
Other than that..
I think .. the water you drink is probably the most important part of your daily substance intake.
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deff]
#10134834 - 04/09/09 08:08 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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hmmm I imagine if one spent their life in meditation they'd need very little food (akin to asceticism)
Amazingly, not moving requires less energy than moving. Real depth here, folks.
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I've heard of yogis who transcend the need to ever sleep... they no longer require it as they always stay near the center (and expend very little wasted mental energy)
Hearing stories is all the evidence that I need. 
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deff]
#10134854 - 04/09/09 08:14 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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how much do you feel diet effects wellbeing... beyond the obvious physical wellbeing... but holistically/spiritually/etc
This is too vague to properly respond to. Can you clarify?
I had a friend that was a total fruitarian. The acid ruined the enamel on his teeth.
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hmmm I imagine if one spent their life in meditation they'd need very little food (akin to asceticism)
Amazingly, not moving requires less energy than moving. Real depth here, folks.
I wasn't implying anything else...
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I've heard of yogis who transcend the need to ever sleep... they no longer require it as they always stay near the center (and expend very little wasted mental energy)
Hearing stories is all the evidence that I need.
For what it's worth: http://anandaproject.org/sunyoga/ 
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how much do you feel diet effects wellbeing... beyond the obvious physical wellbeing... but holistically/spiritually/etc
This is too vague to properly respond to. Can you clarify?
I had a friend that was a total fruitarian. The acid ruined the enamel on his teeth.
How do you guys always have a fruitarian friend. I believe Swami used to as well
edit: wait, just made the connection haha
Anyways all I'm getting at is... does diet effect inner state as opposed to just bodily health. I'm sure you're not skeptical of conscious experience.
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deff]
#10134992 - 04/09/09 09:03 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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does diet effect inner state
All ingested substance effect inner state. As that is a physical response, I fail to see how it qualifies as spiritual.
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does diet effect inner state
All ingested substance effect inner state. As that is a physical response, I fail to see how it qualifies as spiritual.
What is spirituality to you? Playing racket ball and living healthy? Clearly something happens when one lives healthy .. mentally. Now if one is seeking understanding/wisdom/peace/mindfulness/w.e. diet may have an impact. Forget calling it spirituality.
From my own experience, eating too much seems to dull my "awareness", if that makes any sense
I was wondering if other people, in the spirituality forum, might have had experience with this. I believe you once mentioned a macrobiotic diet... which I also find interesting...
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deff]
#10135734 - 04/09/09 11:31 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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Do an experiment.
Eat nothing but McDonald's for two months. Note how you're feeling by the end. Then do the same, except eat nothing but healthy, home-cooked food. Note how you're feeling by the end and compare to the aftermath from fast food.
The results should not be counter-intuitive.
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Re: diet and spirituality [Re: deCypher]
#10135871 - 04/09/09 11:54 AM (15 years, 11 days ago) |
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I think it has to do with how you feel about your food. In the past, people's worshiped nature for the nourishment it gave to us. We honored every living thing for giving up it's life force to us. We were respectful to what we ate and this mindfulness and respect gave us the spiritual connection to the earth through what we ate.
In today's world eat has become so trivial and unceremonious. We have processed foods and shit that makes us unhealthy as we slam it down our throats. Even if we are eating good food, its our intentions that create the real spiritual change. I no longer look at food the same way, it is not just a fuel or a meal, it is the life force that fuels me. I respect the food I eat and the earth for providing me with this nourishment.
The respect for your food and earth becomes respect for your self, your body, mind and spirit.
Live food gives me the chi I need.
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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.
Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.
Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."
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