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To much Nitrogen in substrate?
    #10116530 - 04/06/09 12:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Just wondering if you can over nitrogenize your substrate?  If you can what are the side effects, or signs of have doing so?

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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: novicemycology]
    #10116612 - 04/06/09 12:30 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

what are you trying to do here.


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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #10122113 - 04/07/09 09:38 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Nitrogen you know the nutrient!?  Im talking about adding a nitrogen supplement to the substrate and over apppling it.

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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: novicemycology]
    #10122436 - 04/07/09 10:42 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know what the effects of too much nitrogen would be but it is best to go for a well balanced nutritive substrate.

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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: Duggstar]
    #10124557 - 04/07/09 05:01 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I believe an optimum nitrogen ratio is 1:20 or something. I know that coffee grounds for instance have a ratio of 1:17 and coir has a ratio close to 1:200 or something. I'm unsure how much chicken manure has but I assume it is higher than coffee grounds.


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #10127468 - 04/07/09 11:48 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah Im guessing I might have over done it.  Im used to just going with my intuition when mixing recipes.  This time I added bone meal (12-0-0)that I had laying around to coir and coffee and put about 1 cup to 20 cups of coir and coffee.  I then read on the bag of bone meal add 1 TBS for each cubic foot of soil (obviously this is for plants) I immediately thought sh*t I f'd up.  Anyone else think I did??  Ill update results in about 2 weeks....

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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: novicemycology]
    #10127505 - 04/07/09 11:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

shrooms are not plants...

they are not really nitrogen munchers... though they do eat nitrogen.

thats a CRAPLOAD of nitrogen... thats like 192 parts nitrogen/ 20 cups other stuff...


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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: potatonet]
    #10127596 - 04/08/09 12:29 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I know man, I didnt mean to do that, well see how it turns out though I guess.

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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: novicemycology]
    #10127611 - 04/08/09 12:34 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

you should put a clone into it and grow that out of it...

leave the shrooms there too, they will grow


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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: potatonet]
    #10127650 - 04/08/09 12:48 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

What do you mean?  Ill tell you its colonizing already, well hopefully.  Please explain your idea though if its worth trying.

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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: novicemycology]
    #10127654 - 04/08/09 12:49 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

If you had coffee grounds in it already you likely did overkill.

However searching for information on the nitrogen content of bone meal I found this thread.

The OP says bone meal has 6% nitrogen and agar(name) pointed out later in the thread what he called an optimum nitrogen content for substrates of 2.7%
coir has little nitrogen. The figgure I quoted was a carbon to nitrogen ratio and I believe for coir it was actualy arround 1:237 or some shit like that. I'm not sure how cross compatable that data is.

Bone meal itself could comprise ~40% vs. coir to reach that ratio. Given that coffee grounds is recommended at 20% at maximum substrate volume in coir I assume that it's more or less 12% nitrogen, in that area Just assuming for the sake of finishing this post. So if you had a perfect nitrogen balance with the coffee grounds the blood meal would up the nitrogen content only .16%. This should be hardly noticeable, if you didn't add enough coffee grounds it should actually improve your substrate, so won't worry.


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #10127756 - 04/08/09 01:34 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Thank you for that information man that was pretty descent of you to track that down!  I now know with supplied info I over did it for sure, so well see its effects shorty and I will re-post to this thread with results in a week or so...  Thanks again Scavenger

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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: novicemycology]
    #10129687 - 04/08/09 12:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

when I said clone I meant MJ


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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: potatonet]
    #10129792 - 04/08/09 12:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

potatonet said:
when I said clone I meant MJ



You shouldn't have plants in your grow room.  Plants harbor pests and mites that will destroy your mushrooms.

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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: Duggstar]
    #10130519 - 04/08/09 02:25 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

-.- no one said it would be in the grow room this is assuming an outdoor grow setting


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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: potatonet]
    #10132041 - 04/08/09 06:09 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

:kingtard:
who would assume something like that?


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"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
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Re: To much Nitrogen in substrate? [Re: ScavengerType]
    #10132303 - 04/08/09 07:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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:kingtard:
who would assume something like that?



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! [Re: Duggstar]
    #10133188 - 04/08/09 09:44 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

dont know bout you guys but here they have these things called IR detectors on helicopters that they use at night to see which houses light up like the sun from the heat of the lamps or the exhaust from the circulation fans.

its called a patio bitches!


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Re: ! [Re: potatonet]
    #10157101 - 04/13/09 10:45 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Just to update this thread, I had no issues as far as colonizing is concerned.  Reached 100% in average time so no benefit either.  Ill update again once fruiting starts and post back any interesting results if any.

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Re: ! [Re: potatonet]
    #10157134 - 04/13/09 10:51 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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dont know bout you guys but here they have these things called IR detectors on helicopters that they use at night to see which houses light up like the sun from the heat of the lamps or the exhaust from the circulation fans.

its called a patio bitches!




I'd bet that the pigs find aquarium enthusiast all the time. I'd laugh my ass off if they stopped by ... well after I told them where to stick it.

I know some guys that have more water in their basements than I do in my pool! Corals need some hellacious lights.

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