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Stropharia in garden
    #10090739 - 04/01/09 10:16 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

If I mix in stropharia spawn into my vegetable gardens woodchips is there any chance of the mycellium choking out the vegetable roots or will everything work side by side?


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Re: Stropharia in garden [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
    #10090858 - 04/01/09 10:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

if anything it might help the plants
gardening with mushrooms is fine, and a common practice in asia

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Re: Stropharia in garden [Re: CptnGarden]
    #10091105 - 04/01/09 11:06 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I now have a tomato plant the size of a washing machine.  It's growing in a bed of wood chips I layered with elm oyster cardboard spawn.  I'm having to stake branches up because the growing fruits are too heavy for the plant to support.  This is a good agricultural practice for the small scale home gardener.


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Re: Stropharia in garden [Re: Paresthesia]
    #10091788 - 04/02/09 12:56 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Pics possible?;) I'm looking forward to summer-garden here I come. I have to try using some extra spawn with my plants. I'd probably do them in pots first IMO, just to see how it reacts with the plant and environment.

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Re: Stropharia in garden [Re: Roger Fudd]
    #10091852 - 04/02/09 01:13 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I'll second the plant pic request!  Do you think the oysters are fortifying the tomatoes or is it just some nutritious soil in which they are growing?


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Re: Stropharia in garden [Re: LokelYokel]
    #10091868 - 04/02/09 01:18 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

probably a mix of both.

oysters also eat contaminants, and that probably allows for more positive microorganisms to grow along side them

most good earthy gardeners know that microorganisms are probably THE most important thing in gardening.

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Re: Stropharia in garden [Re: CptnGarden]
    #10092400 - 04/02/09 05:20 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Mushroom mycelium breaks materials in the soil down into compounds more easily utilized by the plants.  I also think they play a role in keeping fungal pathogens out of the soil.  (Powdery mildew has been a big problem for me in the past.)  There are a lot of factors involved with this tomato plant, including:

1. A very mild winter.  I put the plant in the ground last fall.
2. Mycorrhizal treatment from FP applied to the seedling.
3. I haven't been pruning it very well.
4. The plant had a whole bed to itself over the winter.  Its only neighbor is an oregano plant that refuses to die.

I haven't fertilized the bed since last spring, though!  I'll post pics later, I swear.  I know I can't draw a direct correlation between the oysters and my tomato plant, I was just stating that it doesn't hurt. :grin:

I have a couple of other experiments going, including:

King stropharia and sweet corn.
Pioppino growing with peppers, eggplants and shallots.

I also have an Agaricus bitorquis kit that I'm thinking about using to inoculate another bed, but I'm not sure it would have time to colonize fully before temps here shot up into the 90s.


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Re: Stropharia in garden [Re: Paresthesia]
    #10093851 - 04/02/09 12:15 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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is there any chance of the mycellium choking out the vegetable roots or will everything work side by side?




No, they consume different foods.  Many people don't realize that manure is useless to plants.  The nutrients in the manure only become available to the roots of your garden plants when they are released by bacteria and fungi.  If you put plants into containers filled with sterile manure and sterile soil, the plant would starve and die.
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Re: Stropharia in garden [Re: Paresthesia]
    #10094833 - 04/02/09 02:42 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

:picdidnthappen:


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Re: Stropharia in garden [Re: Jef]
    #10099985 - 04/03/09 11:41 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

So, what.  You think you're calling me out?







All I have to say is, BOOM!  Sit your punk ass down! :grin:



This is a picture of one of one of the dowels I used to inoculate my beds.  It came up when I was planting nasturtium seeds.  I've gotten a couple of unimpressive fruitings from these beds, but they're always devoured by slugs.

As far as my tomato goes, I really want to side dress it with a high phosphate compound like bat guano or bone meal, but I'm not sure if it will damage mushroom mycelium.  I'm going to break up some additional elm oyster blocks and throw on another layer of mulch this weekend.


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Re: Stropharia in garden [Re: Paresthesia]
    #10100286 - 04/03/09 12:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No, but enjoyed the pics. LOL.

Big plant. Growing at your neighbours ? (Tease)

Whatever you add, just make sure it's dilute, and you'll be fine.

The poison is in the dose....

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