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 Swyfty Swyf
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 Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic?  [Re: WillmsyCat]
#10007094 - 03/20/09 12:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, that first link I posted is called Salvia and Music.
I put a couple of Youtube links on there to songs I smoked Salvia to.
If you want to post anything in there, feel free!
Or if you want to start something more specific, send me a PM after you post!
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 SalviNate
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: vitamin c]
#10007911 - 03/20/09 03:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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vitamin c said:
I enjoy salvia quite a lot. I've seen salvia cure terrible addictions through ego death and I've seen people become almost enlightened through the use of it. It is an extremely powerful herb and I don't just mean the potency of salvinorin A. I get a lot of euphoria from it, especially on the come down. I think it has enormous potential. Most people that dislike salvia dislike it because they've used it incorrectly.
Ego death is not for everyone. Most people either think it's something to get high from, like a weed high, or that they need to induce ego death. They're limiting themselves when there's so many more possibilities. I enjoy quite a lot what it can do for dreams. If you use it in the dark and relax, without ego death, or even with it for those that can handle ego death, you can dream while awake and have some amazing visions. It also gives me amazing dreams when I'm sleeping.
Combining it with good weed can also produce a very unique and pleasant experience.
Oh yeah, have fallen asleep when i decided to dose a reputable tincture at one in the morning. Crazy dreams man, i don't even want to describe.
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Swyfty Swyf
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: SalviNate]
#10007938 - 03/20/09 03:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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SalviNate said:
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vitamin c said:
I enjoy salvia quite a lot. I've seen salvia cure terrible addictions through ego death and I've seen people become almost enlightened through the use of it. It is an extremely powerful herb and I don't just mean the potency of salvinorin A. I get a lot of euphoria from it, especially on the come down. I think it has enormous potential. Most people that dislike salvia dislike it because they've used it incorrectly.
Ego death is not for everyone. Most people either think it's something to get high from, like a weed high, or that they need to induce ego death. They're limiting themselves when there's so many more possibilities. I enjoy quite a lot what it can do for dreams. If you use it in the dark and relax, without ego death, or even with it for those that can handle ego death, you can dream while awake and have some amazing visions. It also gives me amazing dreams when I'm sleeping.
Combining it with good weed can also produce a very unique and pleasant experience.
Oh yeah, have fallen asleep when i decided to dose a reputable tincture at one in the morning. Crazy dreams man, i don't even want to describe.
I dosed a strong tinture late at night like that.
The silent aspect of the sublingual Salvia experience led me into a waking dream state.
I saw some sort of hologram rotating in the middle of the room.
It also feels like a physical acid buzz when used sublingually, as opposed to smoking it, don't you find?
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SalviNate
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: SalviNate]
#10008190 - 03/20/09 04:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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No doubt. I always describe it as my body being encased in a jelly mold haha
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WillmsyCat
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: vitamin c]
#10012872 - 03/21/09 12:14 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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vitamin c said:
Most people that dislike salvia dislike it because they've used it incorrectly.
Ego death is not for everyone. Most people either think it's something to get high from, like a weed high, or that they need to induce ego death. They're limiting themselves when there's so many more possibilities. I enjoy quite a lot what it can do for dreams. If you use it in the dark and relax, without ego death, or even with it for those that can handle ego death, you can dream while awake and have some amazing visions. It also gives me amazing dreams when I'm sleeping.
Combining it with good weed can also produce a very unique and pleasant experience.
Good post, I have to agree, most people use salvia incorrectly. I know I have. Up until a few nights ago I thought savlia was only capable of 'warping reality' or breakingthough/ego death. (Please correct me if you think the two are separate concepts.)
I was able to achieve this wake dreaming. I was laying down, dreaming... but I was aware I was dreaming and I could cox the dream as I pleased. The best way I can describe it would be to compare it to a lucid dream. You can't control the dream per say; but you can cox and nudge it in a direction you would like to explore. I actually had to open my eyes for a moment to reassure myself I wasn't sleeping... that I was in fact at the controls. I couldn't help but smile and laugh, it was completely euphoric.
I would attribute the large majority of this success to meditation. Marijuana combined with Salvia enhanced my meditation far beyond anything I could have imagined. Put it like this... your brain makes your sense of joy, peace, happiness... once you realize you've been handed the keys to you brain your realize you imagination is the only limiting factor.
So relax, smile, and unlock your imagination.
The song 'Satisfy My Soul' by Bob Marley came on while I was in the middle of the trip. What a good fit... What a good idea!? Satisfy your soul. I'll meet you around the corner...
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: WillmsyCat]
#10013196 - 03/21/09 01:17 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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i personaly don't like Salvia myself, i have tried the strongest purple sticky has to offer, and i'd say i've broke through about 8 times on salvia and have used it about 20 times. it can fuck with you... be careful with the strong extracts
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WillmsyCat
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: mushmanTN]
#10013407 - 03/21/09 02:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Agreed, salvia can be super wicked. I've had two terrifying experiences with salvia. Although, I avoid calling them bad trips, because I think there's something to be gained from the experience.
"You never existed, you know you're not real... ha ha ha ha..." (This kind of trip.)
My advice is to start with plain leaf, mixed with pot. I strongly advise having some kind of meditation technique you can combine as well.
So this is what I do... smoke some pot, get real relaxed and calm. Smoke a bowl or two of plain salvia leaf. Closing my eyes, my single intention is to relax. After taking some mild trips I have no apprehension adding some '80x Purple Sticky Salvia' to the mix. It's best to move to this only when you find you are hitting a wall, or feel too grounded in your meditation. In short you want to ease your way into higher doses... even in single session. There should be no fear or anxiety when you are sparking your bowl; hard to do with salvia, but the rewards are phenomenal.
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: WillmsyCat]
#10013545 - 03/21/09 02:28 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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my experiance with the 160mg(160x) or whatever I took a huge bong rip(it wasn't shake like normal salvia either)it looked like resinated Flowers...After the rip i started to walk through my house(i was already feeling it) then about the time I got in the hallway near my room i fell face first into the floor. It felt like I was on some sort of roller coaster going to diffrent universes and Learning every fact about all the diffrent ones as i went. It was a blurry and scary life changing experiance.
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: mushmanTN]
#10014396 - 03/21/09 04:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushmanTN said:
my experiance with the 160mg(160x) or whatever I took a huge bong rip(it wasn't shake like normal salvia either)it looked like resinated Flowers...After the rip i started to walk through my house(i was already feeling it) then about the time I got in the hallway near my room i fell face first into the floor. It felt like I was on some sort of roller coaster going to diffrent universes and Learning every fact about all the diffrent ones as i went. It was a blurry and scary life changing experiance.
I've only recently started experimenting with 40x. I think 160x would scare the shit out of me.
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WillmsyCat
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: mushmanTN]
#10014869 - 03/21/09 05:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow 160x, I was thinking about dropping down to 40x for my next purchase just to make dosing easier. I happened to get grounded in my hallway on my last trip over the top lol. What's the draw of a hallway on the salvia trip?
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: WillmsyCat]
#10014935 - 03/21/09 06:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I put some 10x on top of a bowl of weed and smoked it out of a bong. The room turned into a little square up in the corner of my visual field. Then everything lost its geometry and became a noodlelike reality. I went to my room and fell down. I felt like I could walk through space-time to anywhere on the planet.
It was all incredibly scary.
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#10015430 - 03/21/09 07:18 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: Coffee]
#10018738 - 03/22/09 10:45 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ok. I didn't want to start a new thread because I feel there are lots of salvia threads already but I really want to ask salvic explorers here their opinions on what happened to me last night.
I talked myself into a trip. It was 8 days since I last smoked salvia and the last time was terrific, I had a blast watching the Imp show me an arm made of tiny people but for some reason, although last time was very nice, I had to talk myself in to smoking some again last night, and I did.
So I meditate for a lil' while and then I smoke my bowl of 15X. Put the pipe down and wait... it doesn't take very long for my inner world to stretch and colorful patterns to show, very flowery but the very " tangy " feeling occurs at the same time because everytime I smoke salvia, I feel the skin of my face and my arms burning a bit and I get kinda hot.
So right away, it's a bit hard to remember now, I feel his presence, the Imp, Salvinorin. I've said it before, but I never felt a feminine entity like so many of you have. This time though, he's not in a good mood and he makes the whole experience feel very uncomfortable. Then, he again shows me arms made of tiny little people, but this time they " flail " all over my vision field, kinda like tentacles and all the while he tells me: " Things made of tiny people again! Yes! Things made of tiny people again! You don't belong here, you shouldn't come back! " And he means it.
So when the effects fade, I am almost burning, I'm sweaty as fuck and feeling very uncomfortable and confused! Why is it that last week he was being all nice and funny and now he tries to warn me in some way to stay away from salvia? So I am hesitating... is it some trick of my mind? Is it an isolated experience that I should just avoid worrying about and keep going at it? Or should I heed the warning and keep away from now on? When it was over, it was very clear in my head that he didn't want me back there and so I was;" alright! I'm done with salvia " but now I'm hesitant and curious, should I try one more time just to confirm? I mean, the worst that could happen is that he kicks my spiritual ass back into reality right? 
And then I was thinking about it and my salvic experience can be separated in two phases. I started smoking salvia about a year ago and I did a couple of times and then I stopped and resumed, what I call the second phase, 3 weeks ago. But since I began smoking it again, that's when The Imp appeared. First time, three weeks ago, I saw some kind of corridor, the opening of some kind of portal on the left corner of my visual field, it was stretching indefinitely and, on one side of the wall, a door opened and the head of someone appeared, but I could'nt make out a face, I could just see the hair, black hair and I sensed that this person was looking at me and that was about it.
Then, last week, I saw him again, during the course of one funny trip, when I saw/felt him walking some cartoonish street and showed me his arm, which was made of tiny people.
And last night, what I just described happened. The thing is, he gets closer everytime, that's very strange and I almost feel like I enabled some kind of impish spirit to enter my " head ".
Well, after thinking about it and writing this, I'm very willing to go back and see what he has in store next... I don't know if I should though because last night really felt like some serious warning on his part.
So what do you guys think? What would you guys do?
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: solstice]
#10018747 - 03/22/09 10:50 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Didn't read the whole thread, but to answer any "is drug X a X?" questions have a look at this.
Salvia (Salvinorin A) is not a psychedelic, but rather a dissociative hallucinogen.
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MyCoFiend420
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: WillmsyCat]
#10022913 - 03/22/09 11:20 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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i was listening to a instrumental by metallica:)
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: MyCoFiend420]
#10022979 - 03/22/09 11:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Its not like the more traditional psychedelics, but for alot of people its up there with the best psychedelics.
Thats because its a psychedelic drug.
I dont care about some ven diagram some person made up.
The last thing I would ever say is that "salvia sucks".
Its one of the most profound and psychedelic things I have ever tried.
It doesnt come easily to all people either.
Its weird, but id consider it to be a psychedelic hallucinogen.....lol
Its picky as to what type of a brain it works with, with enthusiasm.
Fucking plant consciousness.........
There are people who have taken that stuff and not moved a muscle and had reality shattering, under control experiences in silence.
Fucking youtube.
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You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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SalviNate
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: yageman]
#10023638 - 03/23/09 02:03 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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yageman said:
Its not like the more traditional psychedelics, but for alot of people its up there with the best psychedelics.
Thats because its a psychedelic drug.
I dont care about some ven diagram some person made up.
The last thing I would ever say is that "salvia sucks".
Its one of the most profound and psychedelic things I have ever tried.
It doesnt come easily to all people either.
Its weird, but id consider it to be a psychedelic hallucinogen.....lol
Its picky as to what type of a brain it works with, with enthusiasm.
Fucking plant consciousness.........
There are people who have taken that stuff and not moved a muscle and had reality shattering, under control experiences in silence.
Fucking youtube.
Props Yageman
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Swyfty Swyf
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: mushmanTN]
#10025060 - 03/23/09 11:31 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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mushmanTN said:
my experiance with the 160mg(160x) or whatever I took a huge bong rip(it wasn't shake like normal salvia either)it looked like resinated Flowers...After the rip i started to walk through my house(i was already feeling it) then about the time I got in the hallway near my room i fell face first into the floor. It felt like I was on some sort of roller coaster going to diffrent universes and Learning every fact about all the diffrent ones as i went. It was a blurry and scary life changing experiance.
I have noticed that Purple Sticky is misleading with the strengths of their extracts.
They have a different method of measuring their extracts than the traditional "x" method, where it is understood that 1 gram of 40x is equal to the strength of 40 grams of plain leaf.
The shit they call 160 atomiXXX is actually 40x.
You have to divide their "atomiXXX" level by four.
I guess it is a marketing trick to fool people into thinking they are getting more Salvinorin A for their buck.
I do not appreciate the gesture.
It would be better for all vendors to adhere to the same measurements.
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Green_T
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: yageman]
#10025136 - 03/23/09 11:52 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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yageman said:
Thats because its a psychedelic drug.
I dont care about some ven diagram some person made up.
Out of curiosity, what is your definition of a psychedelic, and what differentiates psychedelics from other drugs?
Dissociative experiences resemble psychedelics, but are not true psychedelics (under the pharmacological definition) as they dont bind to any 5HT receptors.
You could eat a bunch of chillies and hallucinate, but that doesn't make them psychedelics.
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Re: Is salvia a true psychedelic? [Re: Green_T]
#10025998 - 03/23/09 02:40 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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i noticed that too...when i bought 5x it said 20x and i thought the guy gave me a deal....i think the number on the package is how many milligrams of salvinorin is contained in it
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