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DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses * 1
    #9941759 - 03/09/09 09:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, so I want a greenhouse. As far as I can tell my two best options are a PVC frame that I piece together myself wrapped in plastic or a "mini" pre-fabricated greenhouse.

Most people on this site who have greenhouses seem to have the pre-fabricated kind. I'm guessing that this is because they are cheaper to buy than it is to make your own out of PVC.

RR I know you have a DIY PVC greenhouse and in some of your posts you said that you built it for under $50. But using the dimensions you gave (I believe they were 8'H x 6'W x 3'D) and building it with 1 1/4" PVC I don't see how there is any way you could have built it for so cheap. Perhaps you can post some pictures of it? How much are you buying your fittings for and which fittings are you using?

I found if I made it out of 1" PVC and only used "T" joints and "L" joints I could greatly reduce the cost, but for a greenhouse that is 63"H x 27"W x 19"D it was still going to cost me around $50 for all the PVC, plastic to cover it and steel fencing to make the shelves with. I could further reduce costs by using 3/4" PVC but I want to make sure that the greenhouse is going to be strong enough to hold up all my substrate blocks and trays.

According to my figures so far I can make a PVC one which will end up being around $50 or I can buy a pre-made one for $30 with free shipping.

So I guess what I'm trying to figure out is the cheapest way to make or buy a greenhouse. Any recommendations? Is there some way to make a PVC greenhouse cheaper than a pre-fabricated one that I am just over looking? Anyone else out there in shroomery land have a PVC greenhouse?


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9941843 - 03/09/09 09:36 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm interested in this as well. For the plastic covering, a clear painter's drop cloth would probably be the cheapest way to go?

It seems prefab greenhouses are more popular...


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: ABC]
    #9942480 - 03/09/09 11:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Ive wondered how he does his greenhouse too.
Last I heard though is he is thinking of releasing a download only dvd with this info in it.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: nw_shroomy]
    #9942981 - 03/10/09 12:44 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I think the idea is that not only can you tailor it to your exact dimensions, but once you've bought sheeting and pipe dope and whatnot, you could build your own twice the size of a pre-built GH for less than buying a second or third one.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9944281 - 03/10/09 08:23 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)



those are nice to have if you make your own plastic shroud for a pvc greenhouse


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: greys]
    #9945138 - 03/10/09 01:12 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I've been thinking about the door. In the future when I cover it in a higher quality plastic I'll look into that. At the moment I am planning in covering it in 2 mil painters tarp taped to the structure with duct tape. for a door I am just going to have a flap that comes down over the front, weighted with a piece of PVC pipe at the bottom. One of the biggest problems I'm coming across is what I am going to actually use for the shelving inside the structure. I was going to use hardware cloth or some kind of galvanized fencing but I am leaning more and more towards PVC lattice.

I am gonna go to the hardware store again today and give it another shot. For the structure itself I calculate that I need 40 T piece, 8 L peices and 70' of 3/4" pipe. 3 way corner pieces are very expensive so am only using T's and L's. Also instead of using the 4 way "shelf" connector pieces I am going to cut down on costs by only using T's. Its kind of hard to explain so hopefully if this all works out and I actually make this thing today I'll post some pics. Any maybe my first "tek"?

I also want place it in a tub so I can fill the tub with perlite and don't have to worry about water leaking all over my floor.

So far the pricing is as follows:
70' of 3/4" PVC @ $1.23/ 10' length = $8.61
8 "L" connectors @ $0.28ea = $2.24
40 "T" connectors @ $0.31ea = $12.40 (might be able to get these cheaper)
2 packs of 9x12 2 mil panters tarp @ $3.50ea = $7.00
PVC lattice to cover shelves: $12
Tub to place in: $15
Total: $57.25

This is still a little more than I'd like to spend, but I'm gonna see if I can cut back on costs somehow, maybe by instead of buying a tub somehow integrating the drip protection into the frame.

Wish me luck!


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9945152 - 03/10/09 01:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hey pitcher, I am curious where you found a pre-made greenhouse for $30?


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: jjb007]
    #9945205 - 03/10/09 01:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

You could skip your drip 'tub' for a shower curtain pulled up and tied/taped to the legs of your frame. They're a $1 or 2.

Very cool plans though...I'm in the IRC btw.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #9945325 - 03/10/09 01:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Pre-made and shipped the the doitbest store closest to you for free:
http://doitbest.com/Flower+boxes_+hangers+and+pots-Rainbow+Garden+Prod-model-R687-doitbest-sku-705912.dib#online

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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9945348 - 03/10/09 01:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I still call bullshit that it costs a Canadian $60+ to have a $30 greenhouse. :nonono:

And I agree PC, I'll make a note of going into the Channel instead of just roving the board aimlessly. Probably get much more entertainment and information if I just groved the IRC :tongue:


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9945362 - 03/10/09 01:58 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I'm worried about the duct tape. I heard that the adhesive + humidity will become a potential habitat for molds. Maybe zip ties? or whatever they're called, those plastic straps.

Also, a shelving idea. Perhaps the lips of the tubs could rest on the pvc skeleton, so you would not need shelving. But, this might be a little structurally unsound...

bags could be placed in the tubs... but shelving might be a better idea


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: ABC]
    #9945921 - 03/10/09 03:47 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, so I'm back from the store. It cost $59. More than I wanted to spend but whatever its going to be badass. For shelving I'm using PVC lattice and I found a concrete mixing tub that is 27" x 19" for the bottom. It cost me $5. These tubs would also fit perfectly onto the bottom of the prefabed mini greenhouses. I'm going to take pics of each step of this project and post a PVC greenhouse tek later.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9946027 - 03/10/09 04:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

:awesome: Can't wait!


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9946040 - 03/10/09 04:10 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

very interesting


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: aful]
    #9948751 - 03/11/09 12:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hokay... so I did it. Its done. Here's how I did it:

I went to home depot and bought:
40 T joints
8 L joints
4 X joints
80' of 3/4" PVC
cement mixing tub
3 packs of 2mm painter's tarp
PVC lattice

Here is a pic of everything:


This tub is really cool because it is the exact dimensions of prefabed greenhouses and could be used as a drip/perlite tray at the bottom. Thas is what I'm using it for on this PVC monster I've created.


I pieced together these shelves using the pieces I got:


Here is the base that will fit over the tub:


Here is the completed structure over the tub:


Here is the structure with the PVC lattice shelves put in:


The whole thing assembled and closed:


Assembled and open:


The base, humidifier and perlite tub in action:


Right now I am just running it with a coolmist and its at 88% RH. I might add an ultrasonic and put them on timers. Not too sure about that yet though.

In total I spent $70 on this project which was far more than I was wanting to spend, especially considering I could have bought 2 prefabed greenhouses for the same price. But... it was fun building it. I think PVC is a really good way to go if you want to build a BIG greenhouse. If you are going to make something about the same size as a pre fabricated mini greenhouse then you shouldn't waste your time and money.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9949024 - 03/11/09 01:01 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

that is cool as hell bro buttttt,I think you could have saved a few bucks just buying one?


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9949039 - 03/11/09 01:04 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Nice big shelves :vaped:

What are the dimensions? and the PVC lattice had holes drilled in it and then zip tied to the pipes?


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: ABC]
    #9949202 - 03/11/09 01:36 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah... I could have saved some money. I could have bought 2 for the $70 I spent making it. I'm still thinking about returning the fittings and stuff I didn't use and getting one of the pre-made ones instead. I really like the look of those metal shelves, my plastic ones are a little saggy. I've got 45 days to return the stuff so there's time to see how it preforms before I scrap it completely.

The shelves aren't that large. I think they are about 22"W x 16 or 17" D. Yes, that is how I attached the shelves. Drilling with zip ties.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9950730 - 03/11/09 12:05 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, the shelves are 22"W x 16"D. I was trying to make them fit that tub and they ended up being very small. For any of you with 27"W x 19"D x 63"H greenhouses how do you like them? I actually think one of those has more shelf space than what I built, and I know for a fact that they have a better plastic covering. Perhaps when I move into a space that can accommodate a huge greenhouse I can re-do this project.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9950953 - 03/11/09 12:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

One more thing about the minigreenhouse from doitbest. Make sure to put in the coupon code "sale" to get $3.00 off.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9951010 - 03/11/09 01:09 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

i think its great. it might be worth the money if you had mad it larger
imo. like a square big enough to put 4 or 5 shelfs in like maybe 6'x6'x8'room.
don't have the PVC supporting the shelfs. put that nice tarp zipper on
there. just my thought on the subject


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: aful]
    #9951122 - 03/11/09 01:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I think I'm gonna keep it and in a month decide if I want to return it.

I could still make it larger if I want to... it would also be nice to find something else to make the shelves out of, the PVC lattice I used isn't the best... any suggestions?

What do you mean by "don't have the PVC supporting the shelves"? How should I go about putting shelving in it?

RR, it would still be great to see a picture of your PVC greenhouse.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9951176 - 03/11/09 01:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Pre-made and shipped the the doitbest store closest to you for free:
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If you threw some sawdust blocks into a greenhouse like this, would you be able to place it outside?  There are a lot of squirrels in my area and they are the only thing I would really be worried about... Although I am not sure if squirrels even go after sawdust blocks?


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9951203 - 03/11/09 01:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I think I'm gonna keep it and in a month decide if I want to return it.

I could still make it larger if I want to... it would also be nice to find something else to make the shelves out of, the PVC lattice I used isn't the best... any suggestions?

What do you mean by "don't have the PVC supporting the shelves"? How should I go about putting shelving in it?

RR, it would still be great to see a picture of your PVC greenhouse.



well you would buy self supporting storage shelfs in basically going
to be a walk in grow room. kinda like this one


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: aful]
    #9951263 - 03/11/09 01:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

jjb007, yes I think you could put that outside. I really doubt squirrels would go after sawdust. I actually have a friend who had an outside greenhouse, but it was made of wood with hardware cloth shelves and used an ultrasonic for humidity. He grew oysters in it so the humidity didn't need to be terrible high anyway.

aful, thanks for the idea! I was thinking about doing something outside for an oyster bucket grow op. And a PVC tent might be just the thing. If I do it I won't need shelves because the buckets stack. I should also probably use some thicker PVC to give it strength as it would need to be big.

Still not sure about the portable greenhouse size PVC structure though...


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9951317 - 03/11/09 02:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

i mean it looks pretty functional right. you have laid out a list of
supplies in the thread that you can still use just buy more pvc.
one time i made a fc out of a wordrobe that hung in the closet
i used small chain and cookie sheets as shelfs but it could hold
10 six qt trays. it was still more expensive then one of those
store bought greenhouses.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: aful]
    #9953735 - 03/11/09 09:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Yup, it holds humidity alright. Today I put it out in my back yard and its at 93% RH on the top shelf with a single coolmist running on the bottom shelf. I figure for another $15 I can make it twice as big. I'm gonna use it for a month or two and after that I'll decide on weather I want to make it bigger or scrap it. I could also scrap some of it and use the pieces to make a large humidity tent for the bucket setup I'm thinking about.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9953818 - 03/11/09 09:16 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

humidity tent for buckets eh?

Do tell.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: Mephistophelian]
    #9953866 - 03/11/09 09:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Whell... I was just thinking I could make a square box out of PVC using the same basic design I used for my mini greenhouse but much bigger.

Then all I'd need to do is cut holes in the plastic, throw in a humidifier or two and stack my buckets (exactly like LokelYokel's buckets) in there. It would be cheap to make and it could be set up outside.

Alternatively I could make a tent like this and put a bunch of plastic stand alone shelving in, maybe 2-3 of them and have a huge FC.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #9956839 - 03/12/09 07:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I’ve noticed in home built PVC tents, ppl tend to just tape visquine to the PVC framing. You can make snap on grip clips from flexible black poly pipe of the same diameter as the PVC.

Slice poly into short tubes and CAREFULLY slit lengthwise. An inch or less is plenty for the drape and three inches will handle panda plastic for drip base. A decent quality razor knife does it.

If using really thin drop cloth the corners of the slit need to be clipped or the plastic will tear.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: JaComet]
    #9990412 - 03/17/09 07:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hey pitcher, I am curious how you supply FAE into your greenhouse?  With the coolmist sealed on the inside of the greenhouse wouldn't it just circulate the same air within the greenhouse?


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: jjb007]
    #9991063 - 03/17/09 09:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I put it outside and cut a bunch of holes all over it.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #10000516 - 03/19/09 01:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, Here are some new pics of my GH outside:



There isn't as much room in there as I would like so I'm still considering making it 2-2.5x as wide so it will hold 2-2.5x the blocks as it currently does. It would only cost me another $15 or somewhere there about so I think it would be worth it.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: PitcherCrab]
    #10000747 - 03/19/09 02:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I found a shelf at Rip-You-Off-Mart for $35 that was  72 x 36 x 18.

Just an FYI.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: greys]
    #10001230 - 03/19/09 03:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

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those are nice to have if you make your own plastic shroud for a pvc greenhouse




Wouldn't happen to have a link to a place that sells said object online would you :strokebeard: I hate endlessly typing into google looking around for things,or are these things commonly at "Home/hardware" type places and Ive just never found myself in the correct section to find them


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: Blutjager]
    #10001332 - 03/19/09 03:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: greys]
    #10001436 - 03/19/09 04:02 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

I saw that exact zipper for sale at the hydro store in my city. I don't think I'll be using one until I figure out the best amount/layout for the holes and upgrade to a thicker/better plastic tarp.


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Re: DIY PVC greenhouses vs. "mini" greenhouses [Re: greys]
    #10002843 - 03/19/09 07:44 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks greysRDbest I book marked it,5 for you :rockon:


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