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 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? 
#9885043 - 02/28/09 05:14 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ive been looking around and really havent seen much information on this.
I know some people fruit oysters by simply using 5 gallon buckets, and cutting holes in the sides of the buckets and letting the oysters fruit from the holes.
Are those of you that have done this just setting the buckets out in the open or do you have them in some sort of fruiting chamber?
Hell if a guy could just take some 5 gallon buckets and drill 1" holes in them, load them up with substrate and spawn them and just let them sit out in the open it would be a great way to fruit them.
If you are just setting them in the open, I wonder if this would work with Reishi or other edible species?? Shiitake, lions mane??
Obviously the surrounding air will be dry, would this cause problems??
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: OZZ]
#9885250 - 02/28/09 05:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would think it would be very similar to the laundry basket tek:
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Straw-Projects
I think open air right after spawning might cause too much FAE, causing the oysters to pin early, before full colonization.
but, i havent tried it
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: ABC]
#9885276 - 02/28/09 05:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input.
Im not planning on putting them in open air right after spawning, but after colonization for fruiting.
Im just wondering if the dry room air would cause problems. If I can just use 5 gallon buckets Im starting to wonder why the hell I just bought my greenhouse.... lol.
I suppose I could always use my spare bedroom and put a humidifier in the room to take the edge off the dryness ... it wouldnt get it super humid in there, but would probably help somewhat.
What does everyone think? I wonder if lions mane, shiitake, and reishi would work like this??
Edited by OZZ (02/28/09 05:53 PM)
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: OZZ]
#9885679 - 02/28/09 06:48 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I started using buckets for oysters about 5 years ago. I have only really grown indoors but have had my buckets fruit outdoors once I have gotten 3-4 flushes inside. In fact I have had some blocks that have been dumped from the buckets fruit after almost 2 years. They were dry as a bone, for months, and hadn't made it to the compose pile yet and after a few days of soaking rain, those bad boys pop out a few mushrooms. It just amazes me.
So far I have only done Oysters but I have a half a dozen jars of Lion's Mane and King oyster spawn(made from spawn aquired in a trade with Houdinihar) that I plan on testing with my bucket method. I have another half doz of each to try a couple of other TBD methods.
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: LokelYokel]
#9885842 - 02/28/09 07:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sweet ..... and your just drilling holes in the sides of the buckets and setting them out in open air??
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: OZZ]
#9887546 - 03/01/09 01:04 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm really excited to start doing this too. I got 24 free 5 gallon buckets from a local deli. I have a huge burner for straw and now all I need to do is get a 55 gallon drum to do my pasteurization in! My plan is to fruit all of them outside in some sort of quasi humidity tent with porous walls... or maybe I can rig up some misters of some sort.
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: OZZ]
#9888729 - 03/01/09 08:58 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sweet ..... and your just drilling holes in the sides of the buckets and setting them out in open air??
This is not what I said. I said that I fruit them indoors for 3-4 flushes and then move them outdoors to put new buckets inside. The buckets stay outside until I get around to emptying and adding the spent substrate to the compost heap.(sometimes this doesn't happen expeditiously) Although I have had mushrooms grow outdoors they tend to get attacked by crawling bugs, flying bugs, and if it is wet slugs. I don't like to take mushrooms to a restaurant and have chefs pick up a mushroom and see some little brown bugs winging around in the gills. I don't have to worry about this indoors.
As most of the mushrooms in the world naturally grow outdoors, of course they will grow in buckets set outdoors but you are at the mercy of Mother Nature. Unless you provide some shade and humidity you will only get mushrooms when MN sees fit. I'm in central Texas and most times of the year are too hot/dry, and unpredictable, IMO, to grow outside. I might build a little screened in shade house this summer to try some outdoor buckets in the late fall to early spring when the temps are lower and it is typically a bit wetter.
I seem to recall seeing some pics of some one in MI growing outdoors using buckets. I think maybe it was B3Jamboree but I may be wrong. I remember seeing pics of fruiting buckets in a blue tarp shade house. I can't remember if they were set up with any misters to add RH.
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: LokelYokel]
#9893478 - 03/02/09 12:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for the input. I dont want to grow outside though. My opening post is asking if anyone is growing indoors, but setting the buckets out in the open. In otherwords, not using a humidity tent of any type.
I probably wasnt very clear on my question.
So how are you fruiting them indoors then? Do you have the lid on? So you dont have holes drilled into the buckets? Any details would be great. Im thinking that Im going to give it a shot with several different kinds.
Im planning on using a black trash bag inside the 5 gallon bucket, then drilling 1.5" holes in the bucket in various spots. Loading with substrate and spawning. Once colonized Ill just cut the black bag at the location of the pre-drilled holes and just let it set in my spare bedroom.
Im curious if this is similar to what your doing, Ive seen some pics of people growing oysters in 5 gallon buckets that appeared to have holes drilled in them.
Thanks again...
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: OZZ]
#9893586 - 03/02/09 12:18 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think 1.5" holes would be too large. I'm probably gonna go with 3/4" holes. If they are too big the substrate will dry out.
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: OZZ]
#9895094 - 03/02/09 09:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have been using these for oysters for a bit over 5 yrs. 5/8" to 3/4" holes seem to work just fine. I use white kitchen trash bags to line the buckets and poke a small hole in the bag at each hole in the bucket. The bags do several things for you. Having just small holes in the bag will help the bucket maintain moisture and drastically reduced the amount of exposed substrate and possibility of contam. The bag also aids in the stuffing and compacting the straw in the bucket. Before I poke holes in the bag, I like to give the whole surface of the bucket a good wipe down with a bleach solution and allow them to dry.
I fruit them in a 10x 12 Morgan building that is rigged with a 2'x4'clean room unit(sans hepa filter) with an adjustable speed blower for FAE and a Hydrofogger for humidity. Air exhausts through dryer vents installed on one side of the shed. I have a 8x8 shed attached to the entrance to the grow room where I have a window A/C to cool the air in the summer. I started playing with a kerosene heater in the entry this winter. I have found that I had to put the blower on a timer to reduce the fae in order for the small heater to have any significant effect. My system is far from perfect, but it is a work in progress and seems to improve with every crop.
I feel I have got a pretty good handle on FAE and RH it is temp that I have the most probs with, especially in the winter. My plan is to add some cold weather mushrooms to my culture library and switch to them in the winter. Seems easier to swim with the current than against it.
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: LokelYokel]
#9895263 - 03/02/09 10:25 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Probably so, and only makes sense to switch to cold weather during winter.
Thats pretty much what I had in mind, although I was hoping I could just pull it off by setting the buckets in my spare bedroom.
Afterall, outdoors they fruit above ground where humidity isnt always perfect, as long as the mycelium is kept moist (accomplished with bag and bucket)Im wondering if they will be fine.
Im going to give it a shot and see what happens. I think for sure reishi will work, Ive seen people fruit reishi in quart jars sitting on the kitchen counter with no lid on. Im not sure about the oyster and lions mane though.
I think Ill just put a cool mist in the spare bedroom to take the tinge off the dryness. Im guessing it will get the room up to 50% or so.
I guess we will see cuz Im giving it a shot either way...
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: OZZ]
#9895973 - 03/02/09 01:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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OZZ, let us know how it goes! You might want to put up plastic sheeting in your spare bedroom so that they heightened humidity doesn't encourage mold growth. Also you could build one of those bulk fogger units like agar used to talk about to humidify a large area.
LokelYokel, thanks for all the info and pictures! Its very encouraging to see people doing exactly what I want to do.
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: PitcherCrab]
#9896212 - 03/02/09 02:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you talking about Agar's large bucket fogger or...something else.
Maybe I missed it, I was thinking about making a large fogger, maybe a link?
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: PitcherCrab]
#9897102 - 03/02/09 04:42 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah, ok, Good to know were on the same page. I would have never considered using the bucket as a 'large room' fogger application.
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In one post agar said if you get one of the larger output fogger units that put out 500ml/hour or 1500ml/hour you can effectively humidify huge spaces... but he also said that it can make the entire room sopping wet, so read up on it before you decide to do it. 
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: LokelYokel]
#9897864 - 03/02/09 06:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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LokelYokel said:
I have been using these for oysters for a bit over 5 yrs. 5/8" to 3/4" holes seem to work just fine. I use white kitchen trash bags to line the buckets and poke a small hole in the bag at each hole in the bucket. The bags do several things for you. Having just small holes in the bag will help the bucket maintain moisture and drastically reduced the amount of exposed substrate and possibility of contam. The bag also aids in the stuffing and compacting the straw in the bucket. Before I poke holes in the bag, I like to give the whole surface of the bucket a good wipe down with a bleach solution and allow them to dry.
I fruit them in a 10x 12 Morgan building that is rigged with a 2'x4'clean room unit(sans hepa filter) with an adjustable speed blower for FAE and a Hydrofogger for humidity. Air exhausts through dryer vents installed on one side of the shed. I have a 8x8 shed attached to the entrance to the grow room where I have a window A/C to cool the air in the summer. I started playing with a kerosene heater in the entry this winter. I have found that I had to put the blower on a timer to reduce the fae in order for the small heater to have any significant effect. My system is far from perfect, but it is a work in progress and seems to improve with every crop.
I feel I have got a pretty good handle on FAE and RH it is temp that I have the most probs with, especially in the winter. My plan is to add some cold weather mushrooms to my culture library and switch to them in the winter. Seems easier to swim with the current than against it.
Do you just pasteurize in the bucket too?
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9897959 - 03/02/09 06:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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No need, he wipes them out with a bleach solution then lines them with trash bags.
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: PitcherCrab]
#9899345 - 03/02/09 10:13 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: 5 gallon buckets out in the open?? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9899651 - 03/02/09 10:51 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here is the Hydrofogger I use. http://www.hydrofogger.com/inc/sdetail/35 It has the capacity to put out 42 gals/day of aprox 20 micron mist. It was a bit expensive but It kicks the ass and I love it.
I pasteurize the straw in a 55 gal drum before it goes into the buckets.
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Edited by LokelYokel (03/03/09 12:06 AM)
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