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 Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing  [Re: circularvortex]
#9859600 - 02/25/09 12:06 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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we need this guy as our leader
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: MkUltra117]
#9859606 - 02/25/09 12:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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as soon as he gets in charge all the sheep will start saying the same shit about him as they're saying about obama. some people are never happy 
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: iamconfused]
#9859676 - 02/25/09 12:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought his speech was inspiring and I hope my check is in the mail shit cause i am broke. SO I will just wait to see if obama can deliver like he says.
Understandable... but it freaks me out. How can the government keep handing us back our tax money while giving out trillions to failing businesses at the same time? I just can't make sense out of it, except that a couple hundred of dollars is a good way to keep people from looking at the big picture. It's that good old concept of "bread and circus" at play. Keep us fed and entertained and the rulers won't have to deal with our problems.
I just get this sinking feeling that we're being swindled. The boat is sinking, and the rich people are jumping off with all of the wealth and telling us to stay down in the holds where we can't see what's happening because everything is going to be OK (no, really!), giving us a little extra alcohol or what have you (sorry, I'm trying badly to keep the maritime metaphor going) to keep us complacent. But when we wake up the next day with hangovers we're going to find that the rich people took all the plunder and left us on a deserted ship in the middle of the ocean.
Now, maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but it's just a hunch. I'm probably wrong, though, so resume your regularly scheduled programming...
You've pretty much summed up how I feel.
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: iamconfused]
#9859682 - 02/25/09 12:22 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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iamconfused said:
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I thought his speech was inspiring and I hope my check is in the mail shit cause i am broke. SO I will just wait to see if obama can deliver like he says.
Understandable... but it freaks me out. How can the government keep handing us back our tax money while giving out trillions to failing businesses at the same time? I just can't make sense out of it, except that a couple hundred of dollars is a good way to keep people from looking at the big picture. It's that good old concept of "bread and circus" at play. Keep us fed and entertained and the rulers won't have to deal with our problems.
I just get this sinking feeling that we're being swindled. The boat is sinking, and the rich people are jumping off with all of the wealth and telling us to stay down in the holds where we can't see what's happening because everything is going to be OK (no, really!), giving us a little extra alcohol or what have you (sorry, I'm trying badly to keep the maritime metaphor going) to keep us complacent. But when we wake up the next day with hangovers we're going to find that the rich people took all the plunder and left us on a deserted ship in the middle of the ocean.
Now, maybe I'm a conspiracy theorist, but it's just a hunch. I'm probably wrong, though, so resume your regularly scheduled programming...
so is the stimulus check paid out to taxpayers in a lump sum, like those treasury checks? I thought it was some thing about tax cuts, and would add up tot he 400 or 800 over a year?...not that i need it, but shit, if we are going to keep on printing it up like there is no tomorrow, may as well send some my way.
Just look at what these bailouts and stimulus have done to the monetary base, scary shit IMO, never has this happened, and never will we be able to pay this off...people complain about higher taxes, but want more handouts, fact is, you can't fucking have both..
http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BASE
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: iamconfused]
#9859740 - 02/25/09 12:33 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was a supporter during the campaign, talked to people in the streets, family, bought and handed out propaganda nearly daily towards the end, went to rallies, and even placed bumper stickers on my car (on the glass mind you I'm not that much of a lemming) of which I have never done in the 10 years I owned it. I was thrilled that he won, and am still happy he beat McCain, and the days I spent pushing for him I will never regret, as it was electric!
BUT, all I heard tonight is more of the same shit he's been putting out since the campaign trail. Meanwhile I couldn't stop wondering about how much money did this song and dance tonight cost us, the tax payers? I didn't have to pay a dime to hear it at the rallies, and I got to be right up within 75 feet of him. I heard a lot of promises tonight, and they did sound great as he is a good speaker, but nothing short of the Bail-Out bull that was a guarantee... Of which a good number of congress didn't read nor understand.
Am I missing something? Perhaps it is because I have a low 4 digit debt I am bitter in these times. Keep in mind I don't own much, as I couldn't AFFORD much, novel concept eh? I couldn't afford a house so I didn't buy one, a kid so I don't create one, and only as much schooling as would benefit myself in my career goals. I can sustain myself on a capped unemployment, that I sure as fuck did not cause...
Sorry for my rant - don't hold it against me!
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: Lloyd313]
#9859784 - 02/25/09 12:42 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: Almond Flour]
#9860621 - 02/25/09 04:02 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tea said:
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: thirdtragedy]
#9860779 - 02/25/09 05:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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First off I'll say that I am an independent, and although I definitely do tend to have a liberal bias, I am no blind follower.
The simple fact is that we don't know which provisions are going to work and which aren't. The vast majority of people know virtually nothing about macroeconomics, and economists themselves are divided over it. I can't help but roll my eyes when I hear people talking about this. It seems like most people have decided they either love Obama or he's the Antichrist, and have no interest in developing an informed opinion about his policies.
- $288 of the $787 billion is going to tax relief. On one hand, we can't afford to have less taxes coming in. On the other hand, people need the extra money to pay off debt and stimulate more spending.
- I do support the spending for sustainable energy, education, improved efficiency, and scientific research geared towards greener technology. This is a large chunk of the bill (although still much smaller than the tax cuts) and pretty contested by those who have so much faith in their God that they don't believe climate change can touch them. This is bigger than an American issue - it is global, and much more important than people give it credit before. Overpopulation is another one, and probably more immediate, but that's another rant.
- $7 billion to the Department of Defense? I agree with improving housing and healthcare for service members, but I don't think improving the facilities of the National Guard has anything to do with an economic stimulus.
It's kind of laughable how people look at this depression like it's an isolated event in history. The economy goes up and down, it always has. There have been depressions almost every decade since the founding of the country – some smaller and some larger.
The GOP rebuttal is on now. I hear a lot of buzz words and ambiguous statements that sound good if you don’t think about them. Things like, “restore the power to the people,” “lower taxes for hardworking Americans,” and a favorite of the Bush administration, “fight terrorism and protect the country.” Yawn.
Personally, I'm sticking with my support of Obama. History has shown that the best leaders make tough decisions in a pinch and stick with them. Obama was not my first choice for president, but he was far better than McCain, who in my opinion would never have proposed a bill radical enough to actually make a difference. Nobody knows what is going to work, except that sitting on our asses and playing it safe are no longer options. Obama is fast-acting and making some very big changes to the federal budget. Quite simply, he has balls in a situation that needs them. The stakes are high and we’re all in.
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Sorry to bring this topic back up, I just have some questions...
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I do support the spending for sustainable energy, education, improved efficiency, and scientific research geared towards greener technology.
Those are all noble causes, but how is this going to help stop the world's economic downturn? Although developing sustainable energy sources will be important for the future of the USA's economy, it's not much of a factor in our current crisis. Gas is still relatively cheap and plentiful, for the time being. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for funding those causes, but to do that in these lean economical times, don't you need to cut something else's funding to offset the costs (like, say, the military?).
I feel like these economic stimulus packages are too politicized, funding partisan interests instead of dealing with actual economic problems. Nobody wants to actually do anything radical. The path of least resistance is to just spend more money on, and that's what they're doing. Our leaders are too timid to suggest nationalizing banks or forcing them to take definitive action on their debts, which must happen first before the economy can actually recover.
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On the other hand, people need the extra money to pay off debt and stimulate more spending.
No, what we really need is correctly functioning banks to stimulate the economy. These tax breaks/stimulus checks are just dropping pebbles in the ocean. We're making the same mistakes with our stimulus packages that Japan made in the '90s. It took them over a decade to recover from their banking crisis (and their economy still isn't really quite the same), and it's going to take us at least that long if we don't change course quickly. The New York Times has an excellent article on this: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/business/economy/13yen.html?_r=1&ref=business.
I don't have time to sum it up, so you'll have to read it if you're interested.
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: iamconfused]
#9861608 - 02/25/09 11:48 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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the OP is another crazy fuck who thinks obama is satan... u people need to grow up.
u hear about all those republicans who are going off over obama not proving hes a US citizen and all that shit?
this is getting crazy.
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: PilzeEssen]
#9861652 - 02/25/09 11:59 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The system is broken, and always has been.
The US is a fucked up place.
Emperor obama is no different than any of them.
If any of this is news to you, then try:
 Getting a clue
With a clue, you will be able to make informed decisions about faces on the television, and better your life in diverse ways.
Try it today !
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for all y’all niggaz out there that be puffin shit
when the music go on, y’all listen to this alright
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: iamconfused]
#9861671 - 02/25/09 12:04 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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My God, if I have to watch one more Obama supporter spew on about hope or change one more time with absolutely no concrete plan backing it up and only being seduced by the man's speaking style I will honestly start calling America Germany 1931
Umm... how about the last 8 years? ANYBODY BUT BUSH
*edit* I realize that's quite shortsighted and don't reallllly believe that, I just can't stand that guy
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: thirdtragedy]
#9862057 - 02/25/09 01:26 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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thirdtragedy said:
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Tea said:
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
No ,the road and bridges to hell are going to be maintained by you at 5 dollars an hour slave.
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: circularvortex]
#9862413 - 02/25/09 02:28 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: Opioid]
#9862458 - 02/25/09 02:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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ron paul is the man. idealogically hes far from perfect in my mind, but i have a feeling that if his perfect world was achieved hed be willing to slim down to mine.
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for all y’all niggaz out there that be puffin shit
when the music go on, y’all listen to this alright
Edited by anyone420 (02/25/09 02:58 PM)
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: anyone420]
#9862584 - 02/25/09 02:54 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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anyone420 said:
ron paul is the man. idealogically hes far from perfect in my mind, but i have a feeling that if his perfect would was achieved hed be willing to slim down to mine.
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: anyone420]
#9862594 - 02/25/09 02:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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ron paul is the man.
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: Opioid]
#9862774 - 02/25/09 03:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I never gave Ron Paul a chance like many others. Now that I've listened he makes more sense than any politician I have ever heard.
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: Kupo]
#9862786 - 02/25/09 03:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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mrspirit2 said:
I never gave Ron Paul a chance like many others. Now that I've listened he makes more sense than any politician I have ever heard.
same here, i didn't listen to him that much before cause I was more concerned with the main 2 canidates. But now I'm officially a libertarian
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Re: Obama speech wolf in sheep's clothing [Re: Opioid]
#9862836 - 02/25/09 03:31 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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listen to free talk live @ freetalklive.com
or listen.freetalklive 7-10 monday thru sunday
libertarian/anarchist talk radio
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for all y’all niggaz out there that be puffin shit
when the music go on, y’all listen to this alright
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