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Poid
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Re: On Vibes (a journal entry) [Re: lines]
#9806234 - 02/16/09 05:23 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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lines said: If vibes can be compared to musical notes then in addition to vibes existing there is also the space between the vibrations.
I can agree with that. 
But even that space is communicating something; sometimes silence says more than words.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: On Vibes (a journal entry) [Re: Poid]
#9806263 - 02/16/09 05:45 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I think it's the space that allows people to explore various vibrational experiences. And that video you posted a link to is pretty interesting. I also think it is possible that a persons will-power exists independently of vibes.
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Poid
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Re: On Vibes (a journal entry) [Re: lines]
#9806303 - 02/16/09 06:19 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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A person's will power is influenced by various vibes, though.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: On Vibes (a journal entry) [Re: Poid]
#9806349 - 02/16/09 06:43 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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If everything is a vibe, does that mean that everything except consciousness is a vibe and consciousness explores the vibeverse? or is even consciousness a vibe? I dont think you could go so far as to say that, because then 'vibe' would cease to be much of a 'distinct concept' with its own word. Nothing is everything. Only Everything is everything.
So are you positing that there is consciousness, and that the world it experiences subsists of vibes?
Have you read much about Hume?
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Re: On Vibes (a journal entry) [Re: Noteworthy]
#9810560 - 02/16/09 10:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm positing that (on every level) everything is a vibe, and everything creates vibes. 'Everything' is a vibe of its own, so are each of it's constituents, and each particular vibe is a distinct concept in its own right.
Consciousness is a vibe of its own, too, and it has the ability to broadcast a wide variety of vibes, through a wide variety of means.
I have not heard of Hume, what does he write about?
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: On Vibes (a journal entry) [Re: Poid]
#9810674 - 02/16/09 11:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I think you could easily make the case that everything is vibrations or waves, as opposed to the atomistic perspective.
However, sensing vibrations is clearly more complex than this statement.
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Re: On Vibes (a journal entry) [Re: daytripper23]
#9810705 - 02/16/09 11:21 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since everything is a vibe, and since human beings have senses, everyone is capable is sensing vibes to varied extents.
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Re: On Vibes (a journal entry) (moved) [Re: Poid]
#11340876 - 10/28/09 08:43 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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This thread was moved from Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology.
Reason: Moved by OP request.
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Re: On Vibes (a journal entry) (moved) [Re: Diploid]
#11340887 - 10/28/09 08:44 PM (3 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just wanted to see what you M&Pers would have to say about this particular journal entry; enjoy! 
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Poid said: Here is one of my (unedited) journal entries:
Thursday, October 11, 2007
12:37-2:14 am
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On Vibes
People are strange in relation to one another. Yes, every single human being has the capacity, and the potential to create and broadcast certain "vibes", vibes that are read and understood by all, whether they pretend to ignore it or not. What is a vibe? Now that is a hard question to answer! Basically, vibes are "invisible", COMPLEX indicators of COMPLEX invisible emotions pertaining either to current real-time emotional state, personal identity, or both. Their purpose, from a biological point of view anyways, is to indicate "where" a person is in social heirarchy, and also so humans can tell when something is not right; maybe someone somehow "senses" there is a predator around, and that fear and anxiety is broadcast to one person, and from then on, eventually, the fear & anxiety spreads throughout the pack which results in the entire pack being readily prepared for the beast. Imagine there was no vibes at all; just words. The first guy who saw or otherwise sensed the predator would have to spend time coming up with a coherent sentence that clearly explains that they need to do something about the beast, and do it now. He would have to convince the other that there is sufficient reason to take action. And this is all assuming that these people speak the same language, or any language at all! Yes, that is basically the biological explanation of vibes.
Do people (the general public) understand or even accept the existence of vibes? It seems to me that, at some level or another, everyone has at least a vague & abstract understanding of vibes, and that the amount and degree of understanding varies from person to person. Sometimes, it seems that some people avoid, ignore, or pretend that vibes don't exist. For example, when in a crowded area full of fellow peers - peers that all know each other - something happens. People will actively set out to ignore others they aren't currently speaking or otherwise socializing with, even when the ignored person is in close proximity. The thing is, they have both seen, heard, or otherwise sensed each others' presence, yet they aim to continue while continuing to aim to ignore each other; that is until something else happens. Something has to somehow break the ice, it's only natural. The thing is, do both of these people know what's going on? Do they both understand that basically as soon as one enters a venue, the vibe is felt throughout, and that the vibe of the venue is changed by that much? Do they both understand that both of them somehow KNEW of each others' presence, yet they continued to aim and aimed to continue ignoring each other? Does one of them just know, while the other is optimistically oblivious? Again, some are more easily receptive to vibes than others, and I just forgot what my point was! I any case, even though I know it's human nature, it irks me, sometimes to the point of blind rage, when people can't sense vibes and/or pretend not to & ignore them.
Vibes pertaining to interpersonal communication are interesting, but are there any other kinds? Yes, of course there are! Basically, EVERYTHING has a vibe. A book, it's cover, a park, a flower, somebody's hand, a sunny day, the color red, George Bush, yes, EVERYTHING! Which brings me to try to define inanimate vibes, as opposed to vibes pertaining to interpersonal communication. An inanimate vibe is a phenomenon where ANYTHING produces an "aura", being infinitely complex, which something animate is receptive to. For example, when you give a woman a diamond ring, she appreciates is as such. Give her a plastic ring, and, again, she will appreciate it as such. But the difference in vibe can be subtle, even to a large degree. If you give a woman a $1500 golden diamond ring, then return it for an $1,100 ring, (assuming the price & quality correlate linearly) she will have appreciated the more costly one because it was inherently of better quality. I also forgot to add that she doesn't know the price of either because it was intentionally unmentioned. The vibe of the better ring is as apparant as the difference in vibe between a depressive & a manic standing side by side.
OK, so things and people create vibes, so is there anything else? Certainly, there is. The vibes of interpersonal communication are blatantly apparant, but what about interspecies communication? Some may think it's silly to believe that animals have the capacity for what I call vibes, but it's those kinds of, that behavioral pattern of presumptuous thoughts that keeps those kinds of people either in a place of blissful ignorance, or tormenting lonliness. Yes, animals have vibes, too. Of course, though, the vibes that they broadcast aren't as complex - for they don't have human social dynamics to further complicate things - as the average human vibe, but still, they do create them. When walking down the neighborhood, one may come across one or even a few feral cats. These cats are basically like homeless people - they need to survive & they are constantly on the edge, on their tiptoes (literally & figuritively), braced for whatever's next. So, when one comes across a feral cat, one of two things happen; basically, either the cat runs away in fear, or approaches to greet you (a rare, yet somewhat likely outcome). The outcome itself depends on two things; the combined vibes of the cat and the person. If the cat is exceptionally fearful, the person will be aware that the cat is not receptive to being approached, and thus will continue walking, further scaring the cat, further helping the person to continue on, and so forth. However, if the person is exceptionally smooth and graceful in his or her gait, it may invite the cat to approach, making the person for graceful and receptive to the cat, further catalyzing this pattern until reciprocation. This phenomenon exists whether or not the cat is feral, or whether or not it's a cat - as long as it is an animal (other than a human) - that's just an example used to help clarify the phenomenon. Most, if not all, animals are similar in the way they approach humans.
Vibes are just about the weirdest thing ever, they are blatantly self-evident, and yet, there are still those who do not fully understand, or even worse, don't even have much more than an elementary understanding of them. And on top of all that, there are those who choose to ignore vibes (continuing to aim while aiming to continue), even to the point of almost unbearable uncomfortable awkwardness. Just about anything evokes feelings or emotions - or vibes - within us. A flower makes us awe at it's intricate beauty, the Mona Lisa makes us feel confused, and a diamond ring makes us awe in fascination. Like interpersonal vibes, interspecies vibes are very real. A grizzly bear in the wild is likely to mercilessly attack an intruder, yet there are bears in domesticated captivity, to the point that the appear to learn tricks; all of that because the difference in interspecies vibes. For the animal kingdom, vibes are basically indicators of states of mind, used in the aid of survival, but what is the purpose of inanimate vibes?
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Feel free to pick apart or comment on this journal entry as you wish. 
-------------------- Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan  fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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