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The world would be a better place if we just worshiped language. I have a feeling that's what all religions are actually about but a bunch of extraneous mumbo-jumbo always makes its way in.
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Anonymous #20
Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #5] #9760580 - 02/08/09 04:17 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
Quote: Anonymous #8 said: Do you believe that people will go to hell for not following your religion?
Not exactly. I believe that people will go to Hell if they don't accept Christ and believe that their debt from sin was paid by Christ with His own life.
This seems crazy to me. If people don't believe in something for which there is no proof or even evidence, they go to hell? Thats horrible.
If there was proof, then you wouldn't be accepting God on faith.
Besides, I must not be communicating well. God requires ABSOLUTELY NO WORKS or deeds from you. You don't even have to like Him. You just have to BELIEVE Him.
Faith + NOTHING = Salvation.
The wages of sin are death. In other words, when we sin, we owe God something for that. Innocent blood is the currency God accepts. Only, we are incapable of paying that debt because we are impure and lack the right currency to pay that debt.
Hell is not your punishment for disobeying God. You condemn yourself to Hell with your sin. God has offered to buy you back from Satan with His own Son. Will you let Him?
I don't see how blind faith has any currency at all. It seems worthless. Why would he value faith more than he values good deeds or intentions? So a mass murder who believes in god will be more likely to get into heaven than someone who has devoted their life to charity but dosen't believe in god?
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Anonymous #17
Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #15] #9760888 - 02/08/09 05:22 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
Quote: Anonymous #17 said: B/c you cannot process the thought of non existence, b/c it isnt real. A person that does not understand that this is not all there is, is usually frightened by that thought.
I don't know where you came up with this nonsense.
Quote: So having a "good guy" tell you that instead of just lying in the dirt you'll be playing in disney land for all eternity is comforting to the person that does not think for themselves. And just to keep you locked in place they tell you that everybody that doesnt practice christianity doesnt get to go.
More nonsense based on previous nonsense. (I am not Christian BTW)
I did go from never thinking about god, religion or afterlife to believing in reincarnation and my only fear of death is and always has been the pain that happens just before death. That doesn't change no matter what I think about the afterlife.
Fine then, you think about non existence and describe it to me. You are of all that is, so anything you can conceive has to exist on some plane of existence, otherwise you wouldnt be able to produce the mental imagery. And there is no mental picture for not existing b/c you cant not exist, for energy cannot be destroyed.
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Anonymous #22
Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #1] #9760945 - 02/08/09 05:32 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
Quote: Anonymous #17 said: Fine then, you think about non existence and describe it to me. You are of all that is, so anything you can conceive has to exist on some plane of existence, otherwise you wouldnt be able to produce the mental imagery. And there is no mental picture for not existing b/c you cant not exist, for energy cannot be destroyed.
A scientific explanation would probably go like this. The matter in your body decomposes by being digested by bacteria and the electrical impulses that fire in your brain are dissipated as heat.
Energy can't be destroyed, but it can change forms: Chemical, electrical, potential, etc.
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Anonymous #15
Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #22] #9760967 - 02/08/09 05:36 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
No matter how you cut it up, the argument that the gospel and the rest of the NT writers make is "God's grace alone" and that there's nothing you can do to earn salvation. But Christianity has turned it into just that. A game of "I've made the right choice, and you should too" where those who do the right things get rewarded and those who don't get punished, which sounds a LOT to me like a works based religion, which is EXACTLY what Christ preached against.
Thoughts #1??
I think you are pretty much completely right. I see your point about accepting God being an action on our part, but here is how I'd address that. It isn't the acceptance that forgives our sins. It is Jesus's death that does. So yes, in a way I suppose some action on our part is required, but belief minus Christ is not going to do it.
There is a lot about "Faith without works is dead" too, but we're talking about the milk parts right now... someone smarter than me will have to cover the meat parts.
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Anonymous #1
Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #8] #9761270 - 02/08/09 06:32 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
Quote: Anonymous #8 said: I don't see how blind faith has any currency at all. It seems worthless. Why would he value faith more than he values good deeds or intentions?
Because without a sinless nature such as Christ has, we are incapable of producing 'good works.' Kind of like the way corporations give to charities for the wrong reason but less pronounced.
God is Holy, and Holy means apart from sin. God cannot tolerate any sin at all to be allowed to enter Heaven. Like, a glass of piss with a drop of water in it is still just a glass of piss, but a glass of water with a single drop of piss in it is no longer something I want to drink. Just a little bit of sin ruins everything.
So, I think maybe God wants us to focus on Jesus more than our works. If people got into Heaven through their works, they would be more concerned about their own works than their fellow man. Example - the way the orthodox Jews literally wear their piety on their sleeves. If works did it, it would be too easy to get caught up in the works and forget God altogether.
Quote: So a mass murder who believes in god will be more likely to get into heaven than someone who has devoted their life to charity but dosen't believe in god?
Short answer yes. If Hitler accepted Christ on his death bed he's in Heaven. If Mother Theresa believed that she had earned her way into Heaven and didn't trust Christ for her Salvation, then she's in Hell.
I doubt either of those scenarios is very likely, but that is how it plays out.
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Anonymous #1
Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #22] #9761280 - 02/08/09 06:33 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
The idea of hell as a place of eternal torment is unbiblical at best, heretical at worst. Nor does it jibe with the logic (the word) of God. It is contradictory to his nature.
Even if God was an "eye for an eye" type of guy, and scripture establishes that he is NOT (but let's pretend) eternal torment for a life of mistakes (the true definition of sin is "miss the mark") is FAR from balanced. More like 2 trillion eyes for an eye. And even that's not a fair description of what ETERNAL hell would be like.
I'm sure some of us besides myself have had glimpses of "hell" during our psychedelic travels, and for all the hell I've been through, and put others through during my mortal life, NOTHING I have done is deserving of that. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy (when I had enemies)
And if I, an "evil" man, would not desire that for the ones who have hurt me the worst, and I have been hurt VERY badly, how could the Father who IS love want such a thing?
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Anonymous #1
Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #20] #9761348 - 02/08/09 06:46 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
Quote: Anonymous #20 said: What about the argument that the OT God was and still is, the God of Jewish belief? From what I can grasp, they reject a personal loving God, Christ, and still believe that all other races will be exterminated besides them. You know, because God is a genocidal racist who likes to destroy his own creation.
I don't understand how the OT God and Christ could be the same God, or even of the same lineage. The Jews don't receive the OT, why do Christians insist on adopting the OT? The two don't mesh at all.
Jesus used the example of what happens when you sew a new patch onto an old piece of clothing - we kind of can't understand that today since most people throw stuff out instead of patching it. He taught though that when you add new to old the old is sundered. Jesus made it clear that His death on the cross ushered in a new age of grace. God is withholding His wrath because He has received His due in the form of Christ's pure, unsinful blood.
In other words, God deals with us differently now than He did then, and the Bible explains why. God did not, however, change His nature. He DOES sometimes change His mind. If you read the story of Sodom and Gomorrah you'll see that God intended to wipe both cities out for their pride and sin... but God was convinced to withhold His wrath until a righteous family was removed from the city.
THIS LINK explains pretty much everything I've said in this thread a lot better than I do.
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Anonymous #1
Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #21] #9761373 - 02/08/09 06:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
Quote: Anonymous #21 said: Dear Jesus Freak (serious question actually),
Do native people who have lived and died deep in the jungle without ever having a chance to hear the gospel or even know the name or deeds of Jesus go to hell?
No. For the same reason babies who die don't go to Hell. Essentially, God plays fair. If yo never had a chance to make a decision, you are not held accountable. In the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve were not sinless - they just didn't know what they were doing was sometimes wrong.
The tree they ate from was "The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil." Once they knew right from wrong, then they were responsible for their actions. Until then, it was kind of like why no one spanks a baby for crapping in its britches.
Quote: Anonymous #20 said: The idea of hell as a place of eternal torment is unbiblical at best, heretical at worst. Nor does it jibe with the logic (the word) of God. It is contradictory to his nature.
Even if God was an "eye for an eye" type of guy, and scripture establishes that he is NOT (but let's pretend) eternal torment for a life of mistakes (the true definition of sin is "miss the mark") is FAR from balanced. More like 2 trillion eyes for an eye. And even that's not a fair description of what ETERNAL hell would be like.
As I already said in another post, eternity in hell does not clear your account with God for a single sin. It isn't an 'eye for eye' equation. God made it possible for you to quite easily avoid that fate. It is your fault if you jump off a cliff and splat on the ground, not the ground's.
Quote: I'm sure some of us besides myself have had glimpses of "hell" during our psychedelic travels, and for all the hell I've been through, and put others through during my mortal life, NOTHING I have done is deserving of that. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy (when I had enemies)
You are assuming that you are a 'good' person and that isn't exactly true of any of us. The only sin is disobeying God. That comes in many flavors, but it boils down the same. You may not think telling a lie warrants Hell, but God does. Harsh, but like I said, Holy isn't Holy if one sin is included. Also, God knew the price was too harsh for Man, so He provided a simple, free, easy escape route through Christ.
Quote: And if I, an "evil" man, would not desire that for the ones who have hurt me the worst, and I have been hurt VERY badly, how could the Father who IS love want such a thing?
Again, God does not want that. See my previous posts and you'll find the references.
It is like this: If a meteor is falling from the sky, and they determine it is going to land right on your house, they might send someone to warn you. You might hear what they say and leave the house, or you might say' go away, I don't believe in meteors, and even if there is a meteor, that would have to be one cruel meteor to hit my house, so why should I do anything to escape the wrath of this cruel asshole meteor you're telling me about?' to them and the meteor hits your house and kills you.
Not going out of your house seems like a pretty insignificant thing to do, but in this case, it can result in your fiery death. Does that make the meteor cruel, or are you a fool for refusing to accept that things are as they are and you cannot change them?
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Anonymous #1
Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #1] #9761481 - 02/08/09 07:08 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
K gang it has been like 30-1 today and I'm frazzled. Gonna go act a fool in OTD. Please feel free to continue in my absence but I am not going to be quite so committed to answering more questions as I was in this first 6 pages
I'm surprised no one has asked me to explain how my OTD posts jibe with the Word of God. Remember, follow Christ's example, not mine
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Anonymous #17
Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #15] #9761520 - 02/08/09 07:14 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
Quote: Anonymous #17 said: Fine then, you think about non existence and describe it to me. You are of all that is, so anything you can conceive has to exist on some plane of existence, otherwise you wouldnt be able to produce the mental imagery. And there is no mental picture for not existing b/c you cant not exist, for energy cannot be destroyed.
A scientific explanation would probably go like this. The matter in your body decomposes by being digested by bacteria and the electrical impulses that fire in your brain are dissipated as heat.
Energy can't be destroyed, but it can change forms: Chemical, electrical, potential, etc.
And?
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Re: The Official Ask A Jesus Freak Your Questions Thread [Re: Anonymous #17] #9761529 - 02/08/09 07:15 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)
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