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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: Texmex]
    #9770048 - 02/10/09 02:45 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

or initate a trailling stop that sells the stock automatically after it drops below a set value.


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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: ZippoZ]
    #9773267 - 02/10/09 07:14 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

BAC took a nose dive today.  Back to 5.56.  Ouch!  It's OK though.  I'm sure it'll go back up. 








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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: Learyfan]
    #9806033 - 02/16/09 03:51 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

So I sold most of my Bank Of America stock and bought BB&T (BBT) at 15.00 per share with it.  BB&T has a dividend and BAC doesn't.  Good move? 










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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: Learyfan]
    #9807832 - 02/16/09 02:39 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

BB&T is probably OK, but I don't think I'd be buying any financial with much confidence in their dividend right now.  I am more comfortable holding a financial for a short-term trade rather than an investment.  Things are just way too uncertain; the government may do or say something that will swing that sector sharply either way, as more details of their bailout and stimulus packages come to light. 

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Posted on RealMoney.com 2/10/09 by Tim Melvin:

One of my search methods is running screens based on various criteria. One of my favorites is S&P 500 stocks trading below book value [...] I ran that screen yesterday and found that the list now approaches 20% of the S&P 500. That's about as long a list as it has been in some time. A lot of the names are banks, and I'm just not ready to approach banks yet. I think that eventually some banks such as BB&T Corporation (BBT) and KeyCorp (KEY) will be make strong purchase candidates, but we need to see how this new plan works (or more to the point, doesn't work) before investing in that sector.




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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: geokills]
    #9807970 - 02/16/09 03:14 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Geo.  I'll copy and paste that for my Dad, since he's guiding me with this.  He's stuck on these bank stocks.  He feels that it's a pretty safe investment, which seems logical. 








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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: Learyfan]
    #9814573 - 02/17/09 04:17 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Be cautious of the banking nationalization rumors and advice that have been going around as well.


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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: Hotnuts]
    #9832246 - 02/20/09 11:39 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

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Be cautious of the banking nationalization rumors and advice that have been going around as well.




yes ive heard these rumors too. Any substance to them? Also BofA ceo is under fire right now  b/c of the merril lynch deal.

stocks below $4 now. Im thinking about picking up a bunch  since its so low. My gut tells me, and as a BofA customer, that they are too big to crumble, but with all this stimulus talk going on im hesistant to put any more money in the market.

thoughts?


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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: Windmiller]
    #9832325 - 02/20/09 12:00 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

In case of nationalization, you as BofA customer won't experience any distress or interruption in your service, but you as BAC shareholder will lose your investment.

It is likely that BofA is insolvent without extensive gov't aid, thus nationalization.


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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: phi1618]
    #9834538 - 02/20/09 06:37 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I had some BAC stock, then sold it for BB&T.  Today I sold the BB&T (at a $100 total loss) to free up money to buy a big order of either BAC or Citicorp(C) on Monday morning.

Which would you guys go with and at what price?








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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: Learyfan]
    #9834706 - 02/20/09 07:11 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Since it is impossible to value either of those companies at present, you won't be able to find a reliable buy target and so I would defer to the charts if you're hell bent on putting your money in this slot machine.

When they spike down on heavy volume and then continue to recover on better-than-average volume, that's when you'll want to buy.  This happened today at 1:15pm EST on both C and BAC, when C dipped below $1.78 and BAC dipped below $2.87.  I was lucky to catch some of the ride on C, but honestly those two stocks are going to be so damn volatile right here that you either take an ultra short-term position (day trade) by following the chart technicals, or you buy for the distant future in which case you should space out your purchases over the next several weeks and months.

... If the stocks will even be around for that long! :wink:

To note, BAC would be my preferred investment if I had a gun to my head and had to choose between C or BAC for the long haul.


If you're looking to play the market a little more rationally, look for the solid dividends.  MO @ $15, BP @ $40, VZ @ $27.


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Re: Bank Of America stock [Re: geokills]
    #9834777 - 02/20/09 07:25 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Geo.  I'm actually looking at either BAC or C to make some big, quick gains.  I'd like to buy a bunch of shares and wait until they increase by 50% and then sell at least half.  Just as you suggested. 










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Bank of America is Going Back to $20 [?] [Re: Learyfan]
    #9834891 - 02/20/09 07:50 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

An interesting and on-topic article.
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Bank of America Is Going Back to $20
By Jason Schwarz

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2/20/2009 3:22 PM EST 

We are experiencing an overreaction of historic proportions when it comes to the financial sector and specifically Bank of America (BAC) .

In case you haven't noticed, these extreme overreactions are becoming the norm, and a thorough understanding of the reasons for the overreaction is paramount to generating great investment returns in this day and age. The market has gotten Bank of America terribly wrong in the short run as the "cloud of uncertainty" has met with the sea of negativity. Governmental uncertainty and market negativity are the contributing factors for Bank of America plunging below $4 a share.

After riding Apple (AAPL) calls to triple-digit gains in 2007, and then riding oil puts to triple-digit gains in 2008, I am making Bank of America my No. 1 holding for 2009. By next year, this stock will be back to $20 a share. Consider the following:
  • The market is running wild on some hyped-up article written in the Financial Times that claims Obama is considering nationalizing the banks. If you actually read the article, you'll notice the anti-American sentiment at the very beginning when it says that "nationalization has long been regarded in the U.S. as a folly of Europeans..." Obama's true feelings on nationalization came out in his ABC interview after Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner's banking speech, when he laughed out loud and said, "Sweden had like five banks. We've got thousands of banks ... managing and overseeing anything of that scale ... wouldn't make sense. And we also have different traditions in this country."

  • Obama understands that the markets will determine his success. He has been very up front in his stance that the success of this financial plan will depend on how the markets respond over the next few months. The idea of killing off current shareholders and taking Bank of America off the market during a nationalization phase is unthinkable.

  • Tim Geithner does not believe in nationalizing the banks either. Mr. Geithner last week said, "Governments are terrible managers of bad assets." He went on to outline a plan that would seek help from the private sector, maintain a market for these toxic assets and increase transparency. Nationalization accomplishes none of these three goals.

  • Any talk of banks would be incomplete without the opinion of the woman who has been right all along, Meredith Whitney. Obviously she is not high on the banks, but in her interview on CNBC yesterday she was very careful not to include Bank of America in her criticisms. She told investors to sell Citigroup (C) but would not mention Bank of America. She is also against nationalization and advocates the use of non-punitive capital to strengthen the system. Maria Bartiromo wanted to get her to say "Sell all the big banks," but she never said it. In fact, she mentioned that JPMorgan Chase (JPM) would be a survivor, as it is well capitalized. I believe Bank of America is in a similar position.

  • Earlier this week, Bank of America actually paid back $402 million in a TARP dividend payment to the U.S. government. If this doesn't show its commitment to repaying taxpayers, I don't know what would. CEO Ken Lewis has mentioned that his company will not need to borrow any more funds, that it is well capitalized and that his company had a good January. The results were led by Countrywide, which he described as being "on fire" because of the boom in refinancings.

  • The Fed will be purchasing $500 billion of mortgage-backed securities over the next six months. Bank of America took one for the team by going through with its purchase of Merrill Lynch. Even when BofA had second thoughts about the deal, it did it at the request of the Fed and the Treasury, which worried about a systematic risk if the deal were to fail. The Fed will be as friendly as possible to Bank of America in this repurchase program.

  • Bank of America will be the undisputed leader of the new economy. I'm excited about being invested in the largest retail brokerage (Merrill Lynch) the largest mortgage lender (Countrywide) and a bank that has been profitable for 17 years in a row, including 2008 (Bank of America).

  • There has also been huge insider buying.

See you at $20.




An on-point response by another Real Money contributor:
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Jim G. - On Bank Stocks
By Jeff Bagley

2/20/2009 4:14 PM EST
Jim, I think our subscribers are big boys and girls, and probably know that buying Bank of America entails a substantial amount of risk.

If Jason wants to take advantage of what he considers panic selling in what is a household name, so be it. Heck, I bought some today for my personal account!

I thought he laid out a pretty decent thesis, and Ken Lewis and other BAC directors have been buying substantial amounts of stock all the way down. Perhaps they really believe that tangible book value is about $9.50 a share!

When I first started in this business in 1992, my first assignment was covering the New England banks. It was very similar to whats happening right now -- very frightening. But eventually things worked out very well. People made fortunes by going against the crowd.

Not saying it will end the same way, but BAC is not a bad flier, in my opinion. I view it as a call option, and again, we are all big boys and girls here.

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Re: Bank of America is Going Back to $20 [?] [Re: geokills]
    #9836258 - 02/21/09 12:52 AM (4 years, 3 months ago)

I got $20 to bet anyone who thinks that BAC stock will be over $20 by the end of 2009.  In fact I got a bunch of twenties for that bet.

Any takers?


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Re: Bank of America is Going Back to $20 [?] [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #9840873 - 02/21/09 09:18 PM (4 years, 3 months ago)

You can sell options, though I doubt you'd get even odds.


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