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 Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal  [Re: xyz789]
#9716049 - 02/01/09 09:44 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it's because it tends to make people lazier and overall less intelligent due to a decrease in cognitive ability. That is if you smoke it everyday, several times a day, which a lot of people do. Caffeine is good for economic reasons because it makes people more productive and typically improves your overall performance. The government repealed prohibition because it didn't stop people from drinking. The laws against marijuana haven't even put the slightest dent in the amount of marijuana that is available. As long as there is a demand for it, it will remain available. The laws against marijuana have obviously failed but the government still won't make it legal. The only reason for this that I can think of is because the government thinks that the legalization of cannabis could hurt the productivity of Americans that is necessary for a healthy economy. I personally don't think that legalization would hurt the economy at all.
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 Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: NlightNd1]
#9716051 - 02/01/09 09:46 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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NlightNd1 said:
I think it's because it tends to make people lazier and overall less intelligent due to a decrease in cognitive ability.
the government thinks that the legalization of cannabis could hurt the productivity of Americans that is necessary for a healthy economy.
yeah I think so too
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: NlightNd1]
#9716057 - 02/01/09 09:50 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think its mainly an exaggeration that stoners are lazy and less intelligent. Most of my friends are stoners and we are all successful and motivated. One or two fit the stereotype but it really only exaggerated a problem they already had.
Like most things its harmful if abused. But i think criminalization increases the chance that it will be abused because it makes it more valuable. When people can casually buy something, they don't abuse it as much because its not as special. Same thing happened during alcohol prohibition, it actually increased the level of alcohol abuse.
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: DimensionX]
#9716473 - 02/01/09 12:03 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well I have a good friend who's a smart, nice person, and pot made her a vegetable until she stopped smoking. So I don't think veggie potheads are veggies sober; they just handle drug use pretty bad for many reasons.
Legalization is a matter of image too, IMO. I mean, it sounds hippy. A country where every person can buy weed legally at some smartshop. The Netherlands already sound like a stoner's country to some people, but they got used to it, what about the US...
If I don't think, then cigarette = cool, coffee = work, alcohol = parties, weed = stoners/hippies.
Maybe the drug community demands for its legalization, but hey what about the rest of America? There is an effort to make there to change the image of weed in people's minds. It's not the drug of irresponsability and lazyness.
It's a gift from Shiva. 
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: xyz789]
#9716502 - 02/01/09 12:10 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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the reason marijuana is illegal is because the U.S hates mexicans and the mexicans drug of choice was marijuana.
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: Kukaracha]
#9716510 - 02/01/09 12:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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because it makes you see things differently, and makes you ask the questions like this one and the government doesn't like you to ask questions because the more questions they cant answer, the more suspicious and paranoid the people get, and if every one is angst the government, a revolution will unfold, and we will be free from the constant corruption that the government is imposing on us. 
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: wolf fish]
#9716540 - 02/01/09 12:19 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think the reason marijuana is illegal is because the framework for a legalization movement is biased and incorrect.
Most pro-marijuana advocates approach the topic screaming and shouting: "Marijuana is completely harmless, its actually good for you!". Which probably is inaccurate.
A better approach would be a "harm reduction" proposal, where the clinical evidence is taken forward, and people sit down and say "O.K. what are the pros and cons of doing this?" and work something out in steps of incremental change.
Unfortunately, the idea that full legalization would be entirely harmless is championed, and arguments fall on deaf ears.
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: Kukaracha]
#9716541 - 02/01/09 12:19 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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All I want is to be able to grow 3 plants for personal use, and not go to jail for possesion. Yes, I know I could move to California, but I shouldn't have to.
Tired of this shit
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: AmericanPsycho]
#9716614 - 02/01/09 12:34 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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AmericanPsycho said:
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jewunit said:
I used to think that, then I realized that when I was high I wasn't worried about the cops or people who weren't down with weed.
I was still paranoid though.
yeah I wasn't worried about cops at all when I was paranoid. Why would I be worried about them when I'm in my house? No I got paranoid about random and weird shit, like thinking that I'm already in hell or what went on in the minds of the people on the 9/11 attacks when their plane got hijacked by terrorists and knew they were going to die.
Basically what you said there is that marijuana gave you a different perspective from which to look at the world. This brought up some as yet undealt with anxieties from your subconscious mind. You felt uneasy with these feelings and a general paranoia ensued. That about right?
Yeah, cannabis causes you to look at the world differently. It's not better, not worse, just a different perspective from which to view your natural world. If you're not mentally prepared, or are just "trying to get high" then yeah, sometimes it'll make you feel a little paranoid.
And I think the lazy, unintelligent stoner stereotype has gone on far long enough. Many COMEDY acts, like 'Cheech and Chong' of the late 70's and early 80's did wonders tarnishing the image of pot smokers and that stigma is still with us today, maybe even stronger than ever.
Alcholics, potheads, crackheads, heroin junkies, persons with gambling problems, cleptomaniacs... they may all exhibit relatively the same behavior and the connection here is ADDICTION!
A person can become addicted to ANYTHING, and it is addiction that is harmful to that person and to society as a whole.
I stand behind my statement that marijuana should be legalized for RESPONSIBLE USE by adults.
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: 13eetleJuice]
#9716624 - 02/01/09 12:36 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well said, my friend, well said.
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: xyz789]
#9716628 - 02/01/09 12:37 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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ignorance, the government puts a good amount of money into anti-marijuana propaganda and 'education' that everyone who hasn't tried it strongly opposes it.
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: metalmorph]
#9716643 - 02/01/09 12:39 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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that strong opposition you speak of is nothing more than a preprogrammed response with ZERO conscious thought exhibited.
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: Kukaracha]
#9716798 - 02/01/09 01:08 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, I've seen potheads become human trash, so I believe that pot might harm you.
That's a reason. Some people should stay away from drugs, they just become a burden for their families and society.
I've seen people who abstain from drug use entirely turn into trash, I fail to see your point. Humans for the most part are ignorant and inconsiderate of those around them, we're all victims of this once in awhile. The difference is that the government itself prides itself on ignorance and when the government rules the country, well you get the point 
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: Rocker232]
#9716832 - 02/01/09 01:18 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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The worst thing i have seen pot do is make people lazy. My friend just smokes weed, eats a lot of food and lives off his parents. Better than anything alcohol has to offer
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: xyz789]
#9716886 - 02/01/09 01:30 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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wow i thought some people here would have thought about this a bit more
i think we've all heard the excuses: weed causes minorities to rape white women or that it makes all stoners lazy fukin reefer addicts, but in my opinion these reasons are very shallow in their logic and cannot be the true reason a natural herb could be illegal.
From what ive gathered, like someone else said, after prohibition there were a lot of cops and such doing nothing, hemp/grass filled the void.
But still these cant be the only reasons.
Imho, cannabis/hemp is a wonder drug, pharmaceutical and textile companies know this and would be a big hindrance to their business empire if it were legal, especially since pharm/textile/prison industries have been built around it being illegal. in the past cotton was a huge part of the american economy and today the pharms make up the largest sector of the us economy, a lot of profit there.
The ceo's and investors in these businesses have simply bribed enough politicians and duped the rest along with the american public into believing in the 'negative' effects of ganj(first para). These businesses would rather keep it illegal than let joe shmoe or ol' granny treat his/her ailments with a natural supplement.
Where has natural medicine gone in america?
But finally the most speculative, cannabis has an amazing effect on cognition and thought. I could write pages on this from my own experience but i think this forum/site in itself; with the amount of ganj users, maybe more than half, the topics and attitudes are the truest testaments to weed's mind expanding(<cliche saying) abilities and how it can bring people together. There are so many different opinions here but i feel as though people can still share there thoughts without any undue ridicule (except in otd ;p ), which can be hard to find in other forums.
i also think that many illuminati-esque groups or whatever (i told u its speculative) realize what weed can do to improve perception and simply would like it only for themselves.
If everyone else is stupid, ur smart. my .02
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9716898 - 02/01/09 01:32 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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The worst thing i have seen pot do is make people lazy. My friend just smokes weed, eats a lot of food and lives off his parents. Better than anything alcohol has to offer:shrugL
lazy but smart
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: 13eetleJuice]
#9716944 - 02/01/09 01:40 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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13eetleJuice said:
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AmericanPsycho said:
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I used to think that, then I realized that when I was high I wasn't worried about the cops or people who weren't down with weed.
I was still paranoid though.
yeah I wasn't worried about cops at all when I was paranoid. Why would I be worried about them when I'm in my house? No I got paranoid about random and weird shit, like thinking that I'm already in hell or what went on in the minds of the people on the 9/11 attacks when their plane got hijacked by terrorists and knew they were going to die.
Basically what you said there is that marijuana gave you a different perspective from which to look at the world. This brought up some as yet undealt with anxieties from your subconscious mind. You felt uneasy with these feelings and a general paranoia ensued. That about right?
pretty much, and gives me panic attacks as well. One time I got so high my heart felt like a string was around it and it was being sqeezed, and I couldn't tell how fast my heart was beating either...
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: AmericanPsycho]
#9717005 - 02/01/09 01:53 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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as the world gets more and more populated more and more regulations will be enacted. its the only way to substain it. its about money and power. and don't underextimate the money part. not only does it heavly fun police. it provides jobs for those police which they then get to tax. and we gain nothing money wise if weed is made legal...because we are already selling drugs that do basicly the same thing. the market is already taken, weed would just replace it. and don't forget americans only have so much extra money. and also don't forget the people that get locked up get put to work making licence plates and crap....who the fuck is gunna make them if weed is legal? i don't wanna get a ticket for no licence plate because there's a shortage of plates. and like they say weed is a gateway drug, think about it. it opens the gate for them to sell the shit to drug dealers and follow them up the tree to the big bad boys...so yah it is a gateway drug to $$$ lol
there's alot more money to be made with it illegal thats all there is to it. if it was legal all it will do is replace or remove $$$
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: makaveli8x8]
#9717016 - 02/01/09 01:57 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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CAn i get GATEWAY DRUG for 25 points?
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Re: Please list the REAL reasons marijuana is illegal [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9717029 - 02/01/09 02:01 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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badchad said:
I think the reason marijuana is illegal is because the framework for a legalization movement is biased and incorrect.
Most pro-marijuana advocates approach the topic screaming and shouting: "Marijuana is completely harmless, its actually good for you!". Which probably is inaccurate.
A better approach would be a "harm reduction" proposal, where the clinical evidence is taken forward, and people sit down and say "O.K. what are the pros and cons of doing this?" and work something out in steps of incremental change.
Unfortunately, the idea that full legalization would be entirely harmless is championed, and arguments fall on deaf ears.
QFT.
Oh, and also, what's the fuss about Marijuana making you suddenly lucid?
I mean, I figured out I was raped in the ass by myself, no drugs involved or anything.
Plus, many of "enlightened" people feel that pot gives them knowledge, but when I listen to them they say just as much bullshit as anyone else.
Weed doesn't turn sheeps into philosophers. But apparently it somehow makes you think you are smarter.
But trust me, you aren't. Go to school, learn, that'll make you smarter for sure, but let me remain skeptical about marijuana enlightment.
13eetleJuice: I personnally think that paranoia is a fact. Walking in the streets and suddenly feeling there is someone behind you has probably nothing to do with seeing the world differently.
Rocker232: Don't get me wrong, I don't think weed should be illegal, but it drowns some people into an unproductive, parasital state. It's factor. People can become parasites by themselves but it's easier with weed.
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