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#9703438 - 01/30/09 01:55 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jupiter is an Electron
http://www.articlesbase.com/science-articl...
A new theoretical physics ebook documents a very significant DISCOVERY that shakes the very foundation of science and physics. In this ebook release over a year ago in late 2007 to specific group of people, a new relativistic mass equation is derived which equates the relativistic mass of Jupiter (1.898x10^27 kilograms) to the value of an electron charge (1.6x10^-19 coulombs) EXACTLY! There is no deviation in the math. It is rock solid! It was something the author did not expect to find but the new equation was the one that gave insight into this relationship which was the catalyst why this ebook was written.
The new relativistic mass equation was derived using the Reality Scale value of S, a constant value also derived in the ebook, which remarkably related to the speed of light and Euler's mathematical constant (two other Universal constants) and was further derived from a new relativistic mass-density equation. Essentially mass-gravity at the celestial scale is equal to charge at the quantum scale.
This is something the world needs to be aware of because the ramifications of derivative theories based on this discovery are huge. The most significant derivative theories include whole new gravity and relativity theories which are also detailed in the ebook. In specific reference to the new gravity theory, it basically states that gas giant planets interact with eachother as electrons would with eachother at a much slower rate of interaction. It further states that objects of similar size and mass-density repell eachother and objects of significantly different size and mass-density attract eachother, thus actual gravity is not just an attraction force but also a repulsion force dependent on the physical composition and structure of the objects in interaction.
To understand how this derived goto website below to download this ebook free:
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Also, checkout the YouTube video describing this discovery in the author's own words:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ucRuZ9lKM0s
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: mathewww]
#9703511 - 01/30/09 02:17 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Science is forever clueless.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: mathewww]
#9703512 - 01/30/09 02:17 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not a physicist by any means...but I'm pretty sure that Jupiter isn't an electron.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: The_Ghost]
#9703545 - 01/30/09 02:27 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Science is forever clueless.
Is that what this is, science?
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As above, so below. The macrocosm and microcosm. Ancient mystics had this shit down pact aeons ago... science is slowly catching up to the knowledge of the lost arts.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: mathewww]
#9703552 - 01/30/09 02:31 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#9703604 - 01/30/09 02:52 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd call bullshit/pseudoscience/ something that won't survive peer review. However, I'd always had a nice little hopeful dreamish idea in my head that our starts & planets & galexies acted just like subatomic particles on some ridiculously massive scale. It makes some sense, as objects that we deal with every day in our reality are mostly made up of empty space (the distance between the electrons and the nucleus of an atom is probably comparable to the distance of a planet to the sun), so you could picture there possibly being a universe that is both infinitely big and infinitely small. However, I think physics has determined that the universe is NOT infinite, and is growing.
Yeah, sorry for making anybody read that, it had no useful information whatsoever.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: mathewww]
#9703608 - 01/30/09 02:53 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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This scale-invariance is actually the cause of gravity. Thanks for posting this.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#9703616 - 01/30/09 02:56 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wish i was on a low-medium dose of LSD when i wwatched that vid. wow.
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Meditate on it.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: CMACD]
#9703654 - 01/30/09 03:06 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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This actually reminds me of when i studied systems theory in globilazation and security PA 236.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: psilyguy]
#9703736 - 01/30/09 03:28 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just got back from school and I'm about to go on a libations run so I don't feel inclined to read a dense scientific e-tome at this moment,
but can any of the smarty-pants out there who actually know their science tell me if there's any merit to these wacky-sounding but vaguely plausible ideas?
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I have taken physics classes and multiple books on quantum mechanics, but i can't see or read any of the math! And he was going to fast.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: mathewww]
#9704078 - 01/30/09 05:22 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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My god that guy sounds like you're average crack pot.
As a good general rule, anything that has "The New Theory on Relativity and Gravity - The Unification of Physics & Theory of Everything" or something to that effect in the title is a load of horseshit.
This guy was playing with a bunch of numbers and managed to fix it in such a way that he came out with an interesting result.
There are similarities between electrons (or protons) and planets, in a sense that electrostatic attraction is similar to gravitational attraction:
Newtons law of gravitation: F=(Gm1m2)/r2 Whereas Coulomb's law : F= k(Q1Q2)/r2
There are a few similarities between our model of the solar system and our model of an atom, but it ends there. Don't get me started on wavefunctions and heisenberg's uncertainty principle or the 3 qm priciples governing an atoms arrangement (hund, pauli and aufbau).
Silly pseudo science crack pottery  .
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: Cepheus]
#9704083 - 01/30/09 05:23 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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ur an electron
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: notapillow]
#9704089 - 01/30/09 05:26 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're a towel.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: mathewww]
#9704098 - 01/30/09 05:31 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'll only be impressed when they get a picture of an electron's Great Red Spot.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: deCypher]
#9704103 - 01/30/09 05:35 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I love how the guy goes: "I measured the ratio between the mass and the speed of light and it came out to be c^2.68 ... well to me that looks close enough to Euler's constant (e=2.7182818....), so I'll just call it that".
Yeah man you're gonna get taken seriously  .
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: deCypher]
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if this is true this is all exactly like an episode of super jail....
 we need a hammer with this one
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: aiyobro]
#9704107 - 01/30/09 05:37 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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super jail is way ahead of its time obviously
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: notapillow]
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Quote:
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I'm not a physicist by any means...but I'm pretty sure that Jupiter isn't an electron.
It's not, the title is not accurate. Still, it's an interesting theroy!
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Pretty much anybody curious about reality and who is creative enough to think about it recursively will realize that our solar system superficially resembles the atomic structure as we have constructed it and wonder about the potential implications of that.
Still, it doesn't explain why JUPITER is an electron while all these other little non-electron doowhackies are also orbiting the nucleus.
Edited by Tchan909 (01/30/09 06:25 AM)
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: mathewww]
#9704224 - 01/30/09 07:09 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fuck that bullshit!
It's astronomical kabbalah mumbo jumbo. Numerology is a pseudo-science for people without a clue. The dutch astronomer Cornelis de Jager showed in a parody about numerology, which he called "Cyclosophy", that he could deduct various astronomical and physical constants from the measures of a women's bicycle.
It's even more hilarious seeing how the dipshit who wrote that embarassing piece of retardedness simply bends figures to fit his purposes. Pathetically unscientific nonsense all around.
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Pretty much anybody curious about reality and who is creative enough to think about it recursively will realize that our solar system superficially resembles the atomic structure as we have constructed it and wonder about the potential implications of that.
Still, it doesn't explain why JUPITER is an electron while all these other little non-electron doowhackies are also orbiting the nucleus.
I never got beyond the "Electrons orbit the nucleus, Planets orbit stars (or the barycentre, to be pedantic and right), stars orbit the galactic centre." So if somebody wants to call Jupiter an electron, go for it.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: mathewww]
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I'm likely to laugh until I cough out my own spleen.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: Cepheus]
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cool
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: mathewww]
#9742239 - 02/05/09 07:25 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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very interesting. makes sense.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: Cepheus]
#9742455 - 02/05/09 08:01 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel stupiter! 
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Quote:
German Kahuna said:
Fuck that bullshit!
It's astronomical kabbalah mumbo jumbo. Numerology is a pseudo-science for people without a clue. The dutch astronomer Cornelis de Jager showed in a parody about numerology, which he called "Cyclosophy", that he could deduct various astronomical and physical constants from the measures of a women's bicycle.
It's even more hilarious seeing how the dipshit who wrote that embarassing piece of retardedness simply bends figures to fit his purposes. Pathetically unscientific nonsense all around.
science is bullshit for the win
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: aiyobro]
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This is just the most ridiculous crap ever. First of all, he sounds like he's 17. Second of all, his math is admittedly very rough and inexact, and he rounds things only to make them fit his cause. Thirdly, this so called expert on the universe actually had to look up which atom had four electrons spinning around it!
Not to mention the "solar system" model of the atomic realm is falling apart under the eye of quantum physics. And how would he explain moons?
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I'm not a physicist by any means...but I'm pretty sure that Jupiter isn't an electron.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: IR0NHYM0N]
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IR0NHYM0N said:
I feel stupiter! 
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: mathewww]
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mathewww said:
Meditate on it.
That's the argumental equivalent of "running away" and doesn't constitute any meaningful defence whatsoever.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: sam420]
#9747685 - 02/06/09 04:01 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well this guy in the video weighs maybe 150 pounds. My ass weighs roughly 15 pounds, which is 1/10th of 150. This guy is obviously an ass (rounding)!
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: ak365]
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Actually this is super retarded. There is NO resemblance between the way that an electron orbits a nucleus and the way that a planet orbits the sun.
Electron Orbits
Strangely shaped clouds of possible locations for electrons. Electrons jump around randomly and (apparently) discontinuously within these "clouds"
Planetary Orbits
Elliptical and continuous orbits
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And this model of a two atom molecule looks conspicuously little like a twin-sunned solar system.
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did you read his paper. i showed the calculations to my science teacher and he was shocked...saw it in his face. he wiped out his calculator and did it himself. he said it was very interesting and made a copy for himself.
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looks like s-orbital fits our system so maybe you're retarded. honestly i don't care just think its cool.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: ak365]
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I was an electron once, or... I thought I was.
Turns out, I was just on too much speed. Go figure.
It was a very negative experience. 
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: Konnrade]
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Quote:
Konnrade said:
I was an electron once, or... I thought I was.
Turns out, I was just on too much speed. Go figure.
It was a very negative experience.
lol, :tongue2
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: ak365]
#9764806 - 02/09/09 10:40 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most of you are completely missing the point of this.
Of course Jupiter is not an electron and of course the orbits are not similar.
It is the charge/mass RATIOS that are similar, just another example of SCALE INVARIANCE in nature.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: Rev. Morton]
#9764835 - 02/09/09 10:48 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe you missed the title of the thread...
Quote:
Jupiter is an Electron
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: DieCommie]
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LOL! I mean it is interesting, but that doesn't mean that it's significant, or even a real discovery.
His method is totally fucked though! He comes out with a number that shares only a single digit with Eulers' and then rounds up by like 0.10 and says "wow, neat-o! Look at this!"
He is trimming the math to meet his preconceived notions that the solar system is a giant atom.
If we had more data on other solar systems with planets, and the same numbers came up... THEN I'd be impressed.
But until then I'll stick to the theory of Time Cube (timecube.com)
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: DieCommie]
#9770903 - 02/10/09 09:45 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Qubit said:
Maybe you missed the title of the thread...
Quote:
Jupiter is an Electron
Obviously I can read, my point was the title is misleading.
Of course the linked information is crackpottery.
Sometimes the crackpots are on to something.
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Re: Jupiter is an Electron [Re: Rev. Morton]
#9770939 - 02/10/09 10:03 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very interesting to think about. You guys ever notice when other peoples beliefs are questioned and new ideas don't make total sense to them because of a previous system of understanding they deny it and call it bullshit because they don't understand where the guy is coming from?
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