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Anonymous #1
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 Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. 
#9508195 - 12/28/08 06:44 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wanna know what it's like to be the anti to everything anyone can think of. Does it hurt?
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9508197 - 12/28/08 06:45 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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STFU, OC.
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Anonymous #3
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9508243 - 12/28/08 06:53 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #2 said:
STFU, OC.
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Anonymous #4
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #3]
#9508255 - 12/28/08 06:55 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #3 said:
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Anonymous #2 said:
STFU, OC.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #4]
#9508321 - 12/28/08 07:07 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I swear to you that im not OC. i'd probably be out forcing people to like me if i were him.
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Anonymous #5
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9508342 - 12/28/08 07:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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gtfo
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #5]
#9508345 - 12/28/08 07:14 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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hahah whatever, you faggots know he's a raging cunt WITH sand in it. I hate that queer almost as much as i hate #5
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Anonymous #6
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9508362 - 12/28/08 07:18 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I cant imagine his existence is pleasurable, he is consumed with other peoples thoughts and beliefs.
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Anonymous #7
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9508411 - 12/28/08 07:25 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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STFU, Coaster.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #7]
#9508475 - 12/28/08 07:35 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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just gonna go down the list of losers til you get it?
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9508502 - 12/28/08 07:41 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does he actually have opinions of his own? Ive noticed a lot of the people on that forum spend their time mocking other peoples ideas rather than making their own. I guess its easier.
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Anonymous #9
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #5]
#9508518 - 12/28/08 07:45 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #5 said:
gtfo
you rang?
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Anonymous #10
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9508522 - 12/28/08 07:46 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #8 said:
Does he actually have opinions of his own? Ive noticed a lot of the people on that forum spend their time mocking other peoples ideas rather than making their own. I guess its easier.
You know most people can't do that! You expect too much out of retards. 
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9508574 - 12/28/08 08:01 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #1 said:
I wanna know what it's like to be the anti to everything anyone can think of. Does it hurt?
What happened this time?
HE-IS-NEEDLING. That's damned close to a personalism, a flame, a get another point on your score card. He probably monitors this forum to see how much traction he is getting.
Here's what to do:
1) Inform a moderator on what you find offensive. If enough people do that, they should listen and he'll receive a point. IIRC, 18 points=vacation.
2) Rate the bitch a 0. He hasn't had a zero rate since 11/28/08.
3) If the mods don't listen, create a ticket for the administration. Enough of those that have substance and something might be done. Hard to say though, they let him back in with pie crust promises he would change. [for those who don't know, a pie crust promise is "easily made, easily broken."]
He is mentally unstable and a hate magnet. Here's what not to do:
1) Whine and complain in the Anon. forum because you haven't got the sack to do numbers 1-3.
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Anonymous #9
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9508617 - 12/28/08 08:14 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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LOL
i wish i knew who you were so i could rate you a zero. fucking rate him. LOL like thats gonna do something.
how about the nignore feature you twit.
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Anonymous #9
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #9]
#9508623 - 12/28/08 08:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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i almost forgot,  
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Anonymous #12
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #9]
#9508675 - 12/28/08 08:25 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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OC is crying out for help!
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9508751 - 12/28/08 08:41 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #11 said:
HE-IS-NEEDLING. That's damned close to a personalism, a flame, a get another point on your score card. He probably monitors this forum to see how much traction he is getting.
Here's what to do:
1) Inform a moderator on what you find offensive. If enough people do that, they should listen and he'll receive a point. IIRC, 18 points=vacation.
It's not against the rules to attack ideas and beliefs. Anyone who cannot handle their beliefs being challenged can post them in M&P. Anyone who objects to a specific posters' attitude can use the Ignore User feature.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #12]
#9508770 - 12/28/08 08:44 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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What help? "Please ban my sick ass"?
Maybe you should've posted this:
Leave OC alone! 
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9508773 - 12/28/08 08:45 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks, Veritas. Why do you move everyone else's pointless posts to other forums and leave his? Is it because he was banned as swami or because he was banned from M&P so you feel sorry for him? Is it because you agree with him?
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9508783 - 12/28/08 08:47 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everyone's pointless posts get moved. You only get PM's about your threads, so it might seem like it's personal.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9508793 - 12/28/08 08:48 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #13 said:
Quote:
Anonymous #11 said:
HE-IS-NEEDLING. That's damned close to a personalism, a flame, a get another point on your score card. He probably monitors this forum to see how much traction he is getting.
Here's what to do:
1) Inform a moderator on what you find offensive. If enough people do that, they should listen and he'll receive a point. IIRC, 18 points=vacation.
It's not against the rules to attack ideas and beliefs. Anyone who cannot handle their beliefs being challenged can post them in M&P. Anyone who objects to a specific posters' attitude can use the Ignore User feature.
Yeah Vericunt, I've heard your byline before. Lots of great good you're doing for the forum. No one is talking about attacking someone's beliefs so get down off your fuckin' high horse and understand that one doesn't have to attack someone's belief in order to needle. Or are you really that obtuse?
If you can't stand the heat (workload), get out of the kitchen.
It's no wonder the forum is a wreck. 
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9508803 - 12/28/08 08:51 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oooh, someone is nursing a grudge. Get over it, buddy. If the charge is "being anti-everything" then clearly ideas and beliefs are the issue. Folks identify with their pet beliefs & get angry when someone mocks said beliefs. This does not mean that they have been personally attacked.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9508804 - 12/28/08 08:52 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #14 said:
Thanks, Veritas. Why do you move everyone else's pointless posts to other forums and leave his? Is it because he was banned as swami or because he was banned from M&P so you feel sorry for him? Is it because you agree with him?
B-e-c-a-u-s-e she's biased and the other mods are either lazy or biased as well.
You really didn't think equal beliefs were going to receive equal treatment, did you?
Not in that forum, not in our lifetimes.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9508814 - 12/28/08 08:54 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol OC is completely objective and never crosses the line into personalism. None of the popular people in that forum do.
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9508816 - 12/28/08 08:54 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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That is untrue. Most of his posts do not offer a spiritual or philosophical topic with a discussion. They are religion mocking and a waste of time.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9508821 - 12/28/08 08:55 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Generalizations are so terrific...you can SOUND as though you're saying something important and meaningful, yet not back them up with any amount of substance. 
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9508836 - 12/28/08 08:58 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #13 said:
Oooh, someone is nursing a grudge. Get over it, buddy. If the charge is "being anti-everything" then clearly ideas and beliefs are the issue. Folks identify with their pet beliefs & get angry when someone mocks said beliefs. This does not mean that they have been personally attacked.
Yeah, you are thick as a fuckin' brick. Evidently you aren't as perceptive as you think you are.
I'm not nursing anything, sweetheart. Please tell us again what a wonderful life you have and how successful you are. We are oh-so-entranced not. You're as full of shit as a Christmas turkey. Anyone with any level of success would't be posting where you are. Whatsa matter, they boot you out of the last place? Or did you tire of the lesbians and needed to flex your muscules against the men folk?
Don't tell me my posts don't get to you when I know they do.
Trust me, Honey, I am giggling like a school gurl.
Dozens of people can see the bias in the forum, many have left and placed it on ignore. Yet, in your pee-brain, there is no problem.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9508847 - 12/28/08 09:00 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol they must be in complete denial to claim that they are not deliberately condescending and insulting.
Be honest with yourselves.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9508851 - 12/28/08 09:01 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #13 said:
Generalizations are so terrific...you can SOUND as though you're saying something important and meaningful, yet not back them up with any amount of substance.
Sweetheart, you have yet to discern the difference between a generalization and a specification, including the problem of demarcation which you obviously haven't read, or if you did, didn't understand.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9508867 - 12/28/08 09:04 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #8 said:
lol they must be in complete denial to claim that they are not deliberately condescending and insulting.
Be honest with yourselves.
#8: they don't know how. There are major flaws in the "personalism" rule. It's unworkable on a number of different levels. We you add atheist bias into the mix, you have what you have--a forum of shit.
"Philosophy and Spirituality, the Other OTD"
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9508896 - 12/28/08 09:10 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #11 said:
"Philosophy and Spirituality, the Other OTD"
So true. Fuck it, I can find other things to do, let them play their pathetic game.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9509075 - 12/28/08 09:49 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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No, you're obviously not nursing a grudge. You're cool as a cucumber, and your raft of baseless insults proves it. Great job!
Your claim of bias is a generalization, and one which allows you to play the victim without providing any support for your claims. Pobrecito, have your posts not received the respect and awe which you expected? Let's ban everyone who hurt your feelings, then justice will be served.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9509172 - 12/28/08 10:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Baseless insults are unearned. You've earned more than your share. I'd attempt to explain how the forum works and what constitutes a generalization but if you haven't figured it out by now the attempt would be useless.
Haven't you read the maudlin posts of Swami demanding someone point to an specific infraction as the reason for his being banned? Hell, he bitches and whines in the forum on matters of policy and, last I read, nothing was done. Try that in other forums, once. Try that with RogerRabbit and see how far you get.
Bottom line is, Veridear, you're a newbie mod set in place to tip the scales. I was a mod of that forum for years while our hands were tied (Thanks, Dobie). I was probably mod of it longer than you have been here.
So if I seem a lettle (Swamsterism alert) involved, you can bet your stinky ass I am. It ain't about butthurtz, it's about fairness and how to run a forum. Something your personality will make you incapable of doing.
Good puke, Veridear.
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Anonymous #15
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9509217 - 12/28/08 10:25 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Orgoneconclusion is one of the better posters in P&S. He makes me think. I appreciate that.
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #15]
#9509221 - 12/28/08 10:27 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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If he makes you think you must be really stupid.
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Anonymous #16
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9509558 - 12/28/08 11:41 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Orgoneconclusion is extremely serious business.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9509563 - 12/28/08 11:42 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's so refreshing to read a rational, well-reasoned POV on the extremely important events which have occurred on an internet forum. Your concise logic and calm demeanor have convinced me that your opinion is not based on a grudge or a personal vendetta. I appreciate you making the effort to explain yourself & help me understand the righteousness of your claims.
PLUR on, brother! 
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9509699 - 12/29/08 12:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's a shame that you had the admins delete all your old posts. I'm certain that they contained much of the same even-tempered wisdom. 
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Anonymous #17
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9511006 - 12/29/08 05:18 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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 Leave OC alone!
OC = Coaster of P&S
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9511049 - 12/29/08 05:47 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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People take P&S WAY too seriously. That's all I can say.
If OC gets on your nerves then ignore him. Jesus tapdancing Christ.
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Anonymous #19
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9511095 - 12/29/08 06:57 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #18 said:
People take P&S WAY too seriously. That's all I can say.
If OC gets on your nerves then ignore him. Jesus tapdancing Christ.
QFT
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Anonymous #17
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #19]
#9511149 - 12/29/08 08:04 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lol if you ignored him the page would appear empty.
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Anonymous #20
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9511160 - 12/29/08 08:12 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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If it weren't for OC, P&S would be overrun by New-Age bullshitters. He's doing you guys a favor.
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #20]
#9511254 - 12/29/08 09:18 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Instead it is full of skepdick atheists, some favor.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #20]
#9511274 - 12/29/08 09:27 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #20 said:
If it weren't for OC, P&S would be overrun by New-Age bullshitters. He's doing you guys a favor.
Just for that dumb ass comment im starting a new thread.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9512110 - 12/29/08 02:35 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #11 said: Dozens of people can see the bias in the forum, many have left and placed it on ignore. Yet, in your pee-brain, there is no problem.
Selective perception. Just because you nignored the forum doesn't imply that "many" have likewise left.
Christ, just stop being so butt-hurt already. I'm sick and tired of reading the same incessant posts from you bitching about P&S like some disgruntled kid who got sent to time out.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9513856 - 12/29/08 08:28 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #13 said:
It's so refreshing to read a rational, well-reasoned POV on the extremely important events which have occurred on an internet forum. Your concise logic and calm demeanor have convinced me that your opinion is not based on a grudge or a personal vendetta. I appreciate you making the effort to explain yourself & help me understand the righteousness of your claims.
PLUR on, brother!
You asked for specifics, I provided them. You answer with sarcasm. Why? Because your aren't interested in the truth, on a number of different levels. Yet, for some odd reason, you found it necessary to answer not once, but twice. Do I really attract you that much? Or is it merely that you are afflicted with lastworditis? Perhaps you're hoping to goad me into calling names again. Dear Heart, you aren't worth it. A calm demeanor you say? Why should my personality parallel yours? Look in the mirror; we are different people.
People came here and expressed a problem with the forum. You answer by saying there is no problem. And therein lies the marked difference between us. During my tenure, I was a servant. You view yourself as a master. The Queen Bee whose vast minions are here only to serve her turn.
You imply this is only an Internet forum. Then why do you spend so much of your valuable talents/resources/energy on it? Why would this dialogue interest you? Your actions betray you and make you a liar.
This thread reveals the kind of moderation the membership can expect from you. It lacks fairness, justice and humility. Why? Because that is the sum of who you are. In the short time I have been here I have been quite a student of you. I admit it. You're fascinating. Count yourself as one of the few personas I have met on the Internet to reach the depths of pure, personified evil in a single human being. (Gaudere and Lizard were the other two.)
That isn't to say you don't have good attributes, you do. But you use those gifts for evil purposes, turning them into something hideous, and evil. You are intelligent and have the gift of language. And you use it how? To help or to hurt? To heal or to wound? I sometimes wonder what kind of perverse satisfaction you get from arguing with others, mostly men as I pointed out at other times. You like it. You enjoy beating someone into the ground with your words. (Or so you think)
With your background in psychology (if one could call Albert Ellis that), there is so much good you could do. There are people in this forum who find themselves in messes of their own choosing, yet, you lift not a finger. We are the opposite, you and I. You spend 90% of your time arguing with people in your forum and 10% of your time helping others in Physical and Mental Well-Being (if that's what you could call it). I spend the bulk of my time either teaching what I know about mycology, the very reason for this message board, or saving lives by preventing mushroom poisoning, and less than 1% arguing with people. In fact, I find, arguing with people on the Internet, and many others find the same, to be the biggest time waster of a person's life. But, it's your life. Do with it as you please. I am sure you will.
Just know this (as if you could know anything). You are seen by more perceptive eyes than you could possibly imagine. I know you, and so do many others. They see you for what you are: a selfish, self-centered, egotistical, cold, heartless bitch. I pity your sons. What fine men they'll grow up to be with such a mother. You enjoy hurting people or making them angry. You are a vile, vicious person and my best insult--a waste of blood and hair.
Swami is only a problem because you are a problem. If you were half a moderator, the issue would be solved by now. You're useless as a moderator and a person.
Now come and do my bidding. Post again and prove to everyone what you are, including someone who can't let go of an argument. Heaven knows, you can't take criticism or anyone who dares to talk back to the Great Veritas.
Good ev'n Madam. I'm glad we had this chat.
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Anonymous #17
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9513906 - 12/29/08 08:40 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #17]
#9513938 - 12/29/08 08:48 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9514467 - 12/29/08 10:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Watch out, Mr. Mushrooms, the mask is slipping.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9514513 - 12/29/08 10:31 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well said. It applys to many others in that forum. OC, Mushroomtrip etc.
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Anonymous #21
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9514687 - 12/29/08 10:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have to say I feel better after reading this thread.
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Anonymous #22
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #21]
#9515665 - 12/30/08 01:49 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bailed on P&S a long time ago. I honestly mean it when I say that I read OTD all the time and I appreciate their over the top show, and have posted from time to time, even though i am "ghey cuz I hang in the pube"  and I find that forum a lot more pleasent then what I found in P&S.
It reminded me of the psudeo-intellectual wannabes in high school and the early college years who memorized what other men and women had said and then repeated it like some orator in order to look smart. And spun a good enough line of ego driven BS when they needed to and fooled MOST of the people. But a few of us saw through and could get to them. They LOVED making others feel little.
At least that's my take. I have NO idea what is going on right now and don't care to, but for what it's worth, my initial impression of many of the people being brought to task recently lines up with what's being said by others.
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Anonymous #23
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #22]
#9515765 - 12/30/08 02:08 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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OC is the bomb.
You know whats pathetic?
A guy making a post about how much he hates another member in the anon forum.
Fag
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Anonymous #22
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #23]
#9515777 - 12/30/08 02:09 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just for the record, I never said I hated anyone, just sharing my feelings about the attitudes of some people.
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Anonymous #23
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #22]
#9515790 - 12/30/08 02:13 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ha, a fail on my part to use the quick reply feature I was talking to the OP.
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Anonymous #22
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #23]
#9516391 - 12/30/08 04:24 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay, just wanted to make sure.
Thanks.
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Anonymous #20
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #23]
#9516717 - 12/30/08 08:58 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #23 said:
OC is the bomb.
You know whats pathetic?
A guy making a post about how much he hates another member in the anon forum.
Fag
Indeed.
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Anonymous #24
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #23]
#9517174 - 12/30/08 12:02 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #23 said:
OC is the bomb.
You know whats pathetic?
A guy making a post about how much he hates another member in the anon forum.
Fag
OC is a fucking douche that pisses most people off and you are probably OC so fucking suck on it you stupid fuck 
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9517444 - 12/30/08 01:13 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #2 said:
Christ, just stop being so butt-hurt already. I'm sick and tired of reading the same incessant posts from you bitching about P&S like some disgruntled kid who got sent to time out.
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9518377 - 12/30/08 04:04 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe the moderator could address the problem? That would be silly.
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Anonymous #17
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9518734 - 12/30/08 05:16 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well coaster got banned for making too many repetative threads. Coasters fucking small time compared to OC / SWAMI that guys been making the same BS threads like 5 a day over and over. Every single one is a troll so he can tell you how his belief system is better than yours.
Critical thinking my fucking ass.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #17]
#9518892 - 12/30/08 05:49 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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People make unsubstantiated claims.
He asks them to substantiate them. I hardly see how this qualifies as being a troll.
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9518903 - 12/30/08 05:51 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said:
People make unsubstantiated claims.
He asks them to substantiate them. I hardly see how this qualifies as being a troll.
Bullshit
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Anonymous #2 said:
People make unsubstantiated claims.
He asks them to substantiate them. I hardly see how this qualifies as being a troll.
troll 3 internet
Noun
a person who posts deliberately inflammatory messages on an internet discussion board
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/troll
inflammatory
Adjective
1. likely to provoke anger
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/inflammatory
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Anonymous #23
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9519049 - 12/30/08 06:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said:
People make unsubstantiated claims.
He asks them to substantiate them. I hardly care this qualifies as being a troll.
fixed
Seriously he is a debunker some people like Chronic777 post dumb shit all the time and state it as fact, all he does is call them out.
Or Jcoke when you ask him to rationally explain his logic he directs you to a bible verse.
Those people need to question their beliefs, I'm not saying that they are wrong I'm just saying that they think that they are right and need to be fucked with.
Without OC P/S would be overrun with nutjobs who do not think logically at all.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #23]
#9519115 - 12/30/08 06:34 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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There is a simple way to test your theory. Read any thread or post during the times he was banned and compare them to the times when he is active. There is relatively little difference. You speak as though Swami is the sole guardian of skepdickism. He isn't.
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Anonymous #25
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9519282 - 12/30/08 07:01 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #11 said:
There is a simple way to test your theory. Read any thread or post during the times he was banned and compare them to the times when he is active. There is relatively little difference.
^^^Winnar
OC has little to offer P&S because he only examines other people's opinions, never his own. In five years I have never seen him admit a mistake or change his mind in a thread. He is unaware of his own biases and shows no signs of improvement. When he gets owned he just doesn't respond or he abandons the topic and starts making puns.
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Anonymous #26
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #25]
#9519522 - 12/30/08 07:44 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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back in the day when he was under the swami name he used to talk about his personal beliefs and experiences more.
i don't know when, why or how he turned into the supreme troll he is now.
honestly i find his energy to repeat the same thing over and over on an internet message board astounding. I still believe in aliens and telepathy but discussing it gets old and boring.
i don't know, after like 5 years i finally put him on ignore, and to be honest it worked perfectly. i used to think about him almost every time i visited the shroomery, now i only remember he exists a couple times a year.
pretty funny actually, every once in awhile i'll see someone respond to one his posts i can't see and i think to myself "i just know he's saying something to bother this person" and so i un-ignore him for a second to see what it is.
It doesn't really matter. the psychedelic forum is all over the place, but there is a good bit of decent philosophy discussion in there. I only think to look at S&P perhaps once a month.
people new to S&P have to stop reacting to the regulars... only way it'll improve.
-truekimbo2
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #25]
#9519541 - 12/30/08 07:48 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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The way he debunks usually consists of a straw man argument. I'm not sure if he does it on purpose or if he has really low level of written comprehension.
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #26]
#9519576 - 12/30/08 07:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #26 said:
people new to S&P have to stop reacting to the regulars... only way it'll improve.
QFT. I think this is where most P&S disgruntlement comes from - people make the mistake of taking the regulars seriously, and come to see the forum as a shrine or temple to skepticism, atheism, and trolling. If you are patient enough to ignore the consistent, unchanging stream of mental diarrhea emitted by the most visible regs you will find a lot of open-minded people and worthy discussions lurking under the surface.
I appreciate OC's capacity for keeping the hardcore new-agers out, but at the same time his posts are annoyingly repetitive and often misfire. I don't know how he hasn't gotten sick of his one single same post after so many years of rote, mindless debunking and aimless trolling.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9519634 - 12/30/08 08:07 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Its funny, on the one hand they claim its a "debate oriented" forum to justify acting like assholes, but on the other they admit to trying to drive out people who have different beliefs than them, thus destorying any chance of open debate.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9519649 - 12/30/08 08:11 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #8 said:
Its funny, on the one hand they claim its a "debate oriented" forum to justify acting like assholes, but on the other they admit to trying to drive out people who have different beliefs than them, thus destorying any chance of open debate.
Perhaps because these different beliefs are illogical and don't hold up under the light of reason?
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9519735 - 12/30/08 08:28 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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lol you think you are the bearer of reason? You are a fool.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9519762 - 12/30/08 08:31 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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What truly is logic? Who decides reason? [...:] It is only in the mysterious equations of love that any logic or reason can be found" - John Nash, Nobel Prize winner in Mathematics.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9519776 - 12/30/08 08:33 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #11 said:
What truly is logic? Who decides reason?
Apparently number 2 does.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9519792 - 12/30/08 08:36 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh yes, I'm sure if the Nobel laureate, John Nash, were to post using a pseudo-name many regulars in the forum would eat him alive (or, more accurately, think they did).
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9519795 - 12/30/08 08:36 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why do you think they call him #2?
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9519804 - 12/30/08 08:38 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good #1.
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Anonymous #23
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9519819 - 12/30/08 08:39 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #11 said:
What truly is logic? Who decides reason? [...:] It is only in the mysterious equations of love that any logic or reason can be found" - John Nash, Nobel Prize winner in Mathematics.
You sir belong in p/s.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #23]
#9519877 - 12/30/08 08:47 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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That hurt. It's the first wound I received in this thread. I know it wasn't intentional.
Thanks. 
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9519907 - 12/30/08 08:51 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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If it was left up to the likes of you P&S would devolve back into M&P... a den of ignorance, unsubstantiated paranormal claims, and a hell of a lot of BS.
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9519912 - 12/30/08 08:52 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #8 said:
The way he debunks usually consists of a straw man argument. I'm not sure if he does it on purpose or if he has really low level of written comprehension.
I think he's just gotten too lazy to say much that is implicitly cogent or meaningful. He's like a skeptic robot. Sometimes I wonder if he is even a person, or just a computer program made to respond in specific ways to certain key ideas and phrases which commonly arise in P&S, as his stamina appears to be unlimited.
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Anonymous #26
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9520048 - 12/30/08 09:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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He's like a skeptic robot. Sometimes I wonder if he is even a person, or just a computer program made to respond in specific ways to certain key ideas and phrases which commonly arise in P&S, as his stamina appears to be unlimited.
lol for real thats what i'm saying. No normal person would have motivation to respond that much on some internet message board.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #23]
#9520158 - 12/30/08 09:42 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #23 said:
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Anonymous #11 said:
What truly is logic? Who decides reason? [...:] It is only in the mysterious equations of love that any logic or reason can be found" - John Nash, Nobel Prize winner in Mathematics.
You sir belong in p/s.
Note: John Nash, paranoid schizophrenic. (As depicted in "A Beautiful Mind.")
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9520190 - 12/30/08 09:48 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said:
If it was left up to the likes of you P&S would devolve back into M&P... a den of ignorance, unsubstantiated paranormal claims, and a hell of a lot of BS.
Once again number 2 feels he/she has the right to choose what is worthy of discussion in p&s. You are an arrogant fool.
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9520193 - 12/30/08 09:49 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said:
If it was left up to the likes of you P&S would devolve back into M&P... a den of ignorance, unsubstantiated paranormal claims, and a hell of a lot of BS.
OC keeps the M&P loonies out so that the MENSA level discussions can proceed uninterrupted.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9520234 - 12/30/08 09:54 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13 said:
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Anonymous #23 said:
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Anonymous #11 said:
What truly is logic? Who decides reason? [...:] It is only in the mysterious equations of love that any logic or reason can be found" - John Nash, Nobel Prize winner in Mathematics.
You sir belong in p/s.
Note: John Nash, paranoid schizophrenic. (As depicted in "A Beautiful Mind.")
#11 was right, they do think they are to good to take a Nobel prize winners opinion seriously.
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Anonymous #23
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9520246 - 12/30/08 09:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #14 said:
Quote:
Anonymous #2 said:
If it was left up to the likes of you P&S would devolve back into M&P... a den of ignorance, unsubstantiated paranormal claims, and a hell of a lot of BS.
OC keeps the M&P loonies out so that the MENSA level discussions can proceed uninterrupted.
That's right.
That's right.
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Anonymous #17
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9520247 - 12/30/08 09:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #2 said:
Perhaps because these different beliefs are illogical and don't hold up under the light of reason?
Its equally as illogical to disbelief as to belief.
I've had this debate about being open minded to possibility with him many times but he always resorts to stereotyping. Anyone that studies UFOs is a nut and is looking at Jupiter or flares.
The annoying this is he sets up posts about the paranormal, waits for people to come in and say "nobody knows" then tries to make them seem stupid because they are open to considering the possibility.
Its equally as illogical to disbelieve in something that has no solid proof as it is to believe in it. You have to accept that proof may or may not arise in the future so why make a decision? And why use that decision to belittle people?
It must make him feel good to think he has some superior logic that he can bash people with but he doesn't he is as bad as the people he bashes because both have fully made their minds up.
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9520249 - 12/30/08 09:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #14 said:
OC keeps the M&P loonies out so that the MENSA level discussions can proceed uninterrupted.
Hilarious. Made my day.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #17]
#9520312 - 12/30/08 10:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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If a Nobel prize winner isn't good enough to talk with them what hope do you have?
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9520532 - 12/30/08 10:41 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #8 said:
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Anonymous #13 said:
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Anonymous #23 said:
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Anonymous #11 said:
What truly is logic? Who decides reason? [...:] It is only in the mysterious equations of love that any logic or reason can be found" - John Nash, Nobel Prize winner in Mathematics.
You sir belong in p/s.
Note: John Nash, paranoid schizophrenic. (As depicted in "A Beautiful Mind.")
#11 was right, they do think they are to good to take a Nobel prize winners opinion seriously.
Yes, can we say, "Hubris"?
Note: Veritas, arrogance personified. (As depicted on "The Shroomery.")
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9520541 - 12/30/08 10:43 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I guess when you are incapable of love (or compassion) such a post would immediately draw fire.
Pity.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9520555 - 12/30/08 10:45 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, and that slam was argumentum ad hominem, the oldest and weakest logical fallacy. So much for the Queen of Logic.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9520708 - 12/30/08 11:14 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Shes a pathetic bigot who writes someone off because of a medical condition they suffer from. John Nash achieved a higher level of rationality and intelligence than she could possibly dream of. She has no idea what John Nash is capable of, or what schizophrenics in general are capable of.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9520968 - 12/31/08 12:17 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #11 said:
Oh, and that slam was argumentum ad hominem, the oldest and weakest logical fallacy. So much for the Queen of Logic.
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Ad Hominem is not fallacious if the attack goes to the credibility of the argument. For instance, the argument may depend on its presenter's claim that he's an expert. That is, there is an Argument From Authority. Trial judges allow this category of attacks. In this very narrow case, the Ad Hominem is valid because the foundation of the counter-argument is the opponent making claims based on his status as an expert.
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Paranoid schizophrenia is one of several types of schizophrenia, a chronic mental illness in which reality is interpreted abnormally (psychosis). The classic features of paranoid schizophrenia are having beliefs that have no basis in reality (delusions) and hearing things that aren't real (auditory hallucinations).
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9521000 - 12/31/08 12:20 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13 said:
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Anonymous #11 said:
Oh, and that slam was argumentum ad hominem, the oldest and weakest logical fallacy. So much for the Queen of Logic.
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Ad Hominem is not fallacious if the attack goes to the credibility of the argument. For instance, the argument may depend on its presenter's claim that he's an expert. That is, there is an Argument From Authority. Trial judges allow this category of attacks. In this very narrow case, the Ad Hominem is valid because the foundation of the counter-argument is the opponent making claims based on his status as an expert.
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Paranoid schizophrenia is one of several types of schizophrenia, a chronic mental illness in which reality is interpreted abnormally (psychosis). The classic features of paranoid schizophrenia are having beliefs that have no basis in reality (delusions) and hearing things that aren't real (auditory hallucinations).
This argument is fucked up. I'm no debate expert here but discounting everything experienced by the schizophrenic, even the things to which we supposedly "sane" people can relate seems somehow... I don't know... fucked-up?
One of you contentious debate freaks who hates P&S has got to back me up here with a better word for what just happened other than "fucked-up."
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9521013 - 12/31/08 12:23 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's not about discounting everything experienced by a schizophrenic, but certainly an "expert" opinion regarding the validity of reason is questionable coming from someone with a mental illness.
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9521033 - 12/31/08 12:27 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I disagree; the credibility I place in the schizophrenic Nobel Prize winner's statement about love and reason is not affected by his mental illness. Your argument has failed, and yet I'm sure you feel like you just experienced a victory.
How do I turn that idea on its ear using a technicality, like #13 has? I'm reaching here, I've never taken debate class, somebody help me. I'm certain there is a way.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9521071 - 12/31/08 12:31 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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The argument does not hinge upon your perception of his credibility.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9521132 - 12/31/08 12:43 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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You obviously have a very shallow knowledge of schizophrenia. Firstly they don't experience symptoms all the time, so they are not permanently impaired. Once again prejudice has its roots in ignorance. The fact that you defend such an ignorant point of view proves how irrational you are.
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9521141 - 12/31/08 12:44 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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My point is that most rational people who are not needlessly antagonistic would see the wisdom in his words.
I'd like to see ANYONE here, other than yourself, disagree with me on that.
And yet you still feel like the victor due to the correctness of your debate technique.
What's up with that?
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9521165 - 12/31/08 12:50 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because he has schizophrenia his stance on rationality is not credible? You disgust me.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9521183 - 12/31/08 12:54 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm quite familiar with paranoid schizophrenia. It is quite relevant to consider someone's mental health when they are proposed as an expert on the validity of logic and reason. The Nash quote was poetic and romantic, but not persuasive. I would gladly accept Nash as an expert in the field of mathematics, particularly Game Theory.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9521216 - 12/31/08 01:00 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you want to argue the point, then you need to provide support for the assertion that logic and reason can only be found in the "mysterious equations of love." Why would a rational person accept this claim? What ARE "mysterious equations of love"? Why can't we find logic and reason in other aspects of experience? What is logical or reasonable about love?
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9521291 - 12/31/08 01:13 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13 said:
If you want to argue the point, then you need to provide support for the assertion that logic and reason can only be found in the "mysterious equations of love." Why would a rational person accept this claim? What ARE "mysterious equations of love"? Why can't we find logic and reason in other aspects of experience? What is logical or reasonable about love?
How the fuck do you call yourself sane, talking this way?
Seriously.
I know this is an ad hominem. I don't give a fuck, this is not P&S. You sound incredibly full of shit to me right now and everyone else here that I can see agrees with me.
Are you calling yourself the only rational person here?
Do you have any idea just how schizophrenic that claim is?
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Anonymous #27
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #23]
#9521453 - 12/31/08 01:53 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Or Jcoke when you ask him to rationally explain his logic he directs you to a bible verse.
I don't know man, I think Jcoke's post are perfect. 
plus he has a biiiig penis, I hear. 
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Anonymous #27
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #27]
#9521461 - 12/31/08 01:55 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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and oc is great, p&s would be soo boring with out him, he has great post's that make me think and I better from them, and he makes me laugh, funny guy.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9522185 - 12/31/08 06:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #18 said:
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Anonymous #13 said:
If you want to argue the point, then you need to provide support for the assertion that logic and reason can only be found in the "mysterious equations of love." Why would a rational person accept this claim? What ARE "mysterious equations of love"? Why can't we find logic and reason in other aspects of experience? What is logical or reasonable about love?
How the fuck do you call yourself sane, talking this way?
Seriously.
I know this is an ad hominem. I don't give a fuck, this is not P&S. You sound incredibly full of shit to me right now and everyone else here that I can see agrees with me.
Are you calling yourself the only rational person here?
Do you have any idea just how schizophrenic that claim is?
It is an ad hom attack, and an invalid one at that. First you have to remember that Veritas has never lost an argument (according to her). Second you have to know that those with a predilication for psychology stems from a run-in with mental illness. If anyone knows anything about someone who studies Ellis, they know they have, or have had, anger issues. You know, the things that comprise a vicious asshole. Not that she ever was.
Thirdly, if you are a better student of psychology you would know that schizophrenia itself is a catch-all diagnosis that is, in fact, a myth. See Thomas Szasz for further details.
Mathematics and Logic are closely allied. Analytic logic and studies of language provide ample proof of this. Read Russell, Wittgenstein, and Quine et al for further information.
Her argument is weak and falls flat on its face. But not according to her, in her mind she's more logical than a Nobel Prize winner. "In her mind" is key. That's where all the pretty peoples play. What a sad, sad fool.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9522189 - 12/31/08 06:12 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Oh, and I have an idea what Nash was trying to convey. I'm just curious if anyone else has an idea. Think about it, and think about love. Then think about what Veritas is like and why such an assertion would fly right over her head.
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9522365 - 12/31/08 08:32 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #11 said:
Thirdly, if you are a better student of psychology you would know that schizophrenia itself is a catch-all diagnosis that is, in fact, a myth. See Thomas Szasz for further details.
I certainly agree with this... the irony is that Veritas' argument in this thread (assuming she really is #13) truly is schizophrenic according to the established definition.
Are you S_H again, like in the Veritas thread? If you are you may just have a good rating coming your way soon.
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Anonymous #28
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9522426 - 12/31/08 08:59 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #11 said:
Oh, and I have an idea what Nash was trying to convey. I'm just curious if anyone else has an idea. Think about it, and think about love. Then think about what Veritas is like and why such an assertion would fly right over her head.
I believe he is trying to say that intention and motivations stem from deeper than the mind. (ie, the heart, ie, the 'mysteries of love.")
He's saying that if an argument is based on logic or reason, that one can only relate if they are willing to transcend the verbal gap by relating to each other through the heart.
Foundationally, the concepts of logic and reason are dependent upon an understanding of the heart.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9522700 - 12/31/08 11:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #18 said:
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Anonymous #13 said:
If you want to argue the point, then you need to provide support for the assertion that logic and reason can only be found in the "mysterious equations of love." Why would a rational person accept this claim? What ARE "mysterious equations of love"? Why can't we find logic and reason in other aspects of experience? What is logical or reasonable about love?
How the fuck do you call yourself sane, talking this way?
Seriously.
I know this is an ad hominem. I don't give a fuck, this is not P&S. You sound incredibly full of shit to me right now and everyone else here that I can see agrees with me.
Are you calling yourself the only rational person here?
Do you have any idea just how schizophrenic that claim is?
OK, I'm not seeing a single point which relates to the assertion by Nash. Do you have anything to say in support of the idea that logic and reason can only be found in the "mysterious equations of love"? Any on-point response to my questions, or just more flaming?
Has anyone noticed that Nash's assertion completely invalidates his own work? He received the Nobel Prize in Economics for his explorations of Game Theory. This theory is based entirely upon the concept of rational self-interest, and utilized math to predict behavior in competitive situations. If logic and reason did not exist sans love, there would be no means of applying math to competitive behaviors.
To be fair to Nash, he probably did not intend that quote to be taken as an assertion of fact. It was likely a poetic, romantic observation which expressed that love had great personal value to him. On that point, I agree with him. Love is one of the central values in my life, yet I recognize that logic and reason exist independently.
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9522716 - 12/31/08 11:13 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13 said:
To be fair to Nash, he probably did not intend that quote to be taken as an assertion of fact. It was likely a poetic, romantic observation which expressed that love had great personal value to him. On that point, I agree with him. Love is one of the central values in my life, yet I recognize that logic and reason exist independently.
Can you tell me why logic and reason should exist independently? I do not see any separation that is not arbitrary, rooted in the fickle peculiarities of language.
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Anonymous #29
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9522723 - 12/31/08 11:15 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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WOW...I am continually disappointed by shroomery members' behaviors... singling out and attacking other members...why can't everybody just do their part and get along instead of harboring resentment and resisting the natural flow of things...
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9522726 - 12/31/08 11:17 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I meant independent from love. One can certainly exercise the faculty of reason without simultaneously experiencing love. This does not devalue either reason or love, it simply demonstrates that they are distinct.
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9522737 - 12/31/08 11:20 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13 said:
I meant independent from love. One can certainly exercise the faculty of reason without simultaneously experiencing love. This does not devalue either reason or love, it simply demonstrates that they are distinct.
Would you disregard love in your exercise of reason?
Or would you disregard reason in your exercise of love?
If you answered yes to either of those questions, you have emotional problems.
No distinction exists that is not rooted in language.
Try looking at the big picture.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9522762 - 12/31/08 11:26 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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If someone can disregard love in their exercise of reason, or vice versa, it means that the two are distinct.
Would you say that players in a competition are basing their strategy on love or reason? Is it necessary to disregard love while devising a strategy to win a game? Why would love be involved in the situation at all? Nash did not consider love an important factor in developing Game Theory, so why should I regard his poetic statement as a valid assertion?
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9522810 - 12/31/08 11:38 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13 said:
If someone can disregard love in their exercise of reason, or vice versa, it means that the two are distinct.
The distinctions are created by the attempt to describe them. What are your core motivations for anything you do what so ever? Does reason motivate you, or does love? Do you have any reason to do anything at all beyond love, for yourself, for your family, for your loved ones, for anything else? Do you do anything without the motivation of trying to make yourself feel good, out of love for yourself? Or are you just torturing yourself? The only things that can operate without love on any and every level are machines. Are you a machine?
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Would you say that players in a competition are basing their strategy on love or reason? Is it necessary to disregard love while devising a strategy to win a game? Why would love be involved in the situation at all? Nash did not consider love an important factor in developing Game Theory, so why should I regard his poetic statement as a valid assertion?
Just further examples of linguistic peculiarities overriding personal reasoning. Sure, it makes sense within the context of a description, but it is absolutely batshit insane when looking at the big picture.
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9522922 - 12/31/08 12:09 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9522924 - 12/31/08 12:10 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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The issue is not motivation, it is whether or not logic and reason are distinct from love. Nash asserted (probably poetically) that logic and reason did not exist outside of the "mysterious equations of love." His own theory disregards love as a variable in strategic behavior, so this assertion is either an example of delusion or not meant to be taken factually.
Ah, well, this has gone far afield from the original poster's topic, so perhaps we should allow it to return to its' intended purpose of flaming Orgone Conclusion. 
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9523004 - 12/31/08 12:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I feel like we basically agree, but that our language impedes our ability to agree. AFAIK love enters into every aspect of life, but not into every aspect of description. You seem to be agreeing the latter part of that statement.
IMO spirituality is about life at large whereas philosophy is about description; the dominance of the latter over the former has always been my biggest problem with P&S, its regs, and its moderators.
We definitely have gone off topic, though. May the flaming of OC continue.
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Anonymous #21
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9523674 - 12/31/08 02:57 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Veritas, I also think you come off as more antagonistic and combative than open minded. I find you tend to argue little tangents of the main topic where it clearly isn't in the OP's interest, and I have never seen you concede your argument, even when it seems clearly refuted. You just drop out of the thread. I'm not trying to flame you, but am wondering if you can see how you would come off as a bitch?
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #21]
#9523765 - 12/31/08 03:17 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's your perception & interpretation.  I do not see the point of debating someone else's POV on my character, as it is impossible to prove or disprove.
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Anonymous #21
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9523837 - 12/31/08 03:34 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nonsense. If I piss on someone, I can accurately guess that they will probably perceive me as an asshole. Now, do you or not see how your demeanor may be offsetting to these people? Simple question. I'm just curious.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #21]
#9523871 - 12/31/08 03:43 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Everyone has their own reaction to me, so it is rather unlikely that their reaction is directly related to who I am. As you did, people perceive my actions through their own filter, and react to their own perceptions based upon their expectations.
I like to debate, but I do not attack people personally. If I am proven wrong, I admit it. I assert my opinions, and many men perceive any woman who asserts her opinions as a bitch.
If someone chooses to react negatively to my behavior, that is their decision based upon their perception and expectation. Since many posters react positively to my behavior, they must be judging the same actions through a different perspective. Am I creating these negative and positive reactions? No. People are receiving information & doing with it what they will.
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Anonymous #30
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #21]
#9523876 - 12/31/08 03:44 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Jesus' demeanor was offsetting to some people. People see what they want to see.
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Anonymous #21
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9523996 - 12/31/08 04:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't say you are in fact a bitch, I said you could come off as a bitch. Maybe stubborn is a better word. (BTW can you provide a source for where you admitted you were wrong?)
The fact that someone's reaction to another has little to do with their actual behavior is just a silly notion. You didn't address my example: if I piss on someone, are they likely to react negatively to my behavior? Yes. But that would mean their reaction is directly related to me. Hm...
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #21]
#9524037 - 12/31/08 04:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I said that reactions to other people's behavior were not directly related to said behavior. If folks have different reactions to the same behavior, doesn't this indicate that the "flavor" of their reaction is personal?
In your example, which I assume means actually urinating on someone else's body, it is very likely that they would react negatively. If they are into watersports, they might think it was terrific. If they were just stung by a jellyfish, they might be grateful for your assistance in neutralizing the poison. If you were a baby, they would probably just laugh and clean up the mess.
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Anonymous #21
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9524083 - 12/31/08 04:38 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes the flavor of the reaction is personal. This doesn't mean it can't be judged how others will react to your behavior, which is why I would not walk up to a random person and "urinate on their body". This is what I mean. You take a simple question like "do you see how this could seem ____" and muddle it with "counterpoints" like: well, perhaps if you were a baby...
You did not directly answer my question, see? You turned it into a stupid debate. Yes, I believe you like to debate, but that doesn't really change things.
You also did not provide a link to where you admitted you were wrong.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #21]
#9524088 - 12/31/08 04:42 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did answer your question. You asked "is it likely that they would react negatively," and I answered "it is very likely that they would react negatively." 
I followed up my answer with a few different situations in which the expectations might alter the most likely reaction to your action.
As to the "proof" that I admit when I'm wrong, it would be quite difficult to search through 10,000+ posts for all the possible words I might have used to concede an argument or acknowledge a point.
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Anonymous #30
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #21]
#9524093 - 12/31/08 04:43 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Let me understand you. You believe that a person can be universally liked with nary a detractor?
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Anonymous #30
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9524099 - 12/31/08 04:46 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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it would be quite difficult to search through 10,000+ posts for all the possible words I might have used to concede an argument or acknowledge a point.
Good thing you have a few days off then.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #30]
#9524104 - 12/31/08 04:49 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tell you what, find posts where I was proven wrong.
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Anonymous #21
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9524129 - 12/31/08 04:57 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I did answer your question. You asked "is it likely that they would react negatively," and I answered "it is very likely that they would react negatively."
LOL! Come on!
Yes, this is the topic of discussion Veritas. Peeing on people.
Wait, no. It was whether you see how being excessively debate oriented and NEVER CONCEDING YOUR ARGUMENT can seem quite stubborn, bitch-like or otherwise negative.
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Anonymous #30
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #21]
#9524139 - 12/31/08 05:01 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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You may project whatever you want onto another. Does not make it valid nor universal.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #21]
#9524152 - 12/31/08 05:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sorry, I thought you were objecting to my response to your pee question.
Yes, I can see why people would choose to react negatively to my behavior. I'm baffled as to why anyone would choose to obsess over it & freak out about it.
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Anonymous #30
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9524170 - 12/31/08 05:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm baffled as to why anyone would choose to obsess over it & freak out about it.
Um, because they are more spiritually mature than you and you drove them out of their favorite forum with your witchcraft?
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #30]
#9524175 - 12/31/08 05:13 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think it's because they can't see my big breasts in my posts. IRL, men cut me a lot more slack because I'm stacked.
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Anonymous #30
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9524182 - 12/31/08 05:15 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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You could easily remedy that oversite. 
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #30]
#9524190 - 12/31/08 05:17 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting debate tactic...would that be appeal to emotion?
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Anonymous #30
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9524211 - 12/31/08 05:24 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Appeal to the little ego.
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Anonymous #31
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #30]
#9524951 - 12/31/08 08:20 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #30 said:
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I'm baffled as to why anyone would choose to obsess over it & freak out about it.
Um, because they are more spiritually mature than you and you drove them out of their favorite forum with your witchcraft?
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Anonymous #13 said:
I think it's because they can't see my big breasts in my posts. IRL, men cut me a lot more slack because I'm stacked.
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Anonymous #30 said:
You could easily remedy that oversite.
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Anonymous #13 said:
Interesting debate tactic...would that be appeal to emotion?
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Anonymous #30 said:
Appeal to the little ego.
How pathetic does OC have to be until I get to see big breasts?
Are these big breasts with nipples sitting high on the breast?
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Anonymous #21
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9525213 - 12/31/08 09:46 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13 said:
Sorry, I thought you were objecting to my response to your pee question.
Yes, I can see why people would choose to react negatively to my behavior. I'm baffled as to why anyone would choose to obsess over it & freak out about it.
Sorry for drilling you. It annoys me, but I don't hate you. 
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9526394 - 01/01/09 06:48 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13 said:
I'm quite familiar with paranoid schizophrenia.
If this is true, i pity the people suffering from this illness who have come in contact with you. You truly are a bigot. Not only did you make an ignorant and prejudice comment but instead of facing up to it, you try and weasel your way out like a coward.
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Anonymous #18
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9526399 - 01/01/09 06:58 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Um... at this point I'm only coming back to this thread because I want to see Veritas' allegedly big breasts.
It's ok if we don't see nips. I just want to see how stacked she really is. 
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Anonymous #32
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9526484 - 01/01/09 08:49 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Apparently OC isn't deluded because he works for DeBeers..and washes his own comforter at a local laundrymat.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9526506 - 01/01/09 09:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #18 said:
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Anonymous #11 said:
Thirdly, if you are a better student of psychology you would know that schizophrenia itself is a catch-all diagnosis that is, in fact, a myth. See Thomas Szasz for further details.
I certainly agree with this... the irony is that Veritas' argument in this thread (assuming she really is #13) truly is schizophrenic according to the established definition.
Are you S_H again, like in the Veritas thread? If you are you may just have a good rating coming your way soon.
We know who Veritas is. Her style is readily identifiable. However, even if I were interested in a good rate, I eschew self-identification in the Anonymous forum, for obvious reasons. That's quite a mind you have there. I'm seriously impressed. That doesn't happen often at the Shroomery. I would give you a five immediately if I knew who you were. I have a few old friends at P&S. Some of them are pretty good people.
Although I liked your answers I was thinking along different lines. And even though I generally eschew protracted dialogue in matters like these for time constraints, I'll try to pop back in and comment later in the day.
Oh and note that Veritas was proven wrong in this very thread yet refuses to admit it. Trust me, she hasn't once conceded defeat, even on the slightest point. It must be a terrible burden to defend one's ego constantly.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9526518 - 01/01/09 09:14 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #8 said:
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Anonymous #13 said:
I'm quite familiar with paranoid schizophrenia.
If this is true, i pity the people suffering from this illness who have come in contact with you. You truly are a bigot. Not only did you make an ignorant and prejudice comment but instead of facing up to it, you try and weasel your way out like a coward.
I loved her "appeal to reason" defense. It's sooooo cogent not.
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Anonymous #32
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #32]
#9526702 - 01/01/09 10:46 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #32 said:
Apparently OC isn't deluded because he works for DeBeers..and washes his own comforter at a local laundrymat.
According to my Websters dictionary his action is more of an idiosyncrasy: "stresses the following of one's particular bent or temperament and connotes strong individuality and independence of action."
I'd say that he was deluded if he was trying to appear humble.
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Anonymous #33
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #32]
#9526785 - 01/01/09 11:19 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does he really work for debeers? Is he a geologist?
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #33]
#9526942 - 01/01/09 12:27 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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More likely a clerk.
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Anonymous #32
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #33]
#9526951 - 01/01/09 12:31 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm under the delusion that DeBeers pays above average wages and that most people would either send their comforter out to be dry-cleaned or buy a new one. Obviously OC doesn't fit in to my fantasy of what most people in that position would do.
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Anonymous #33
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #32]
#9526984 - 01/01/09 12:47 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well, my family is pretty intertwined with diamonds, my dad being a geologist and I have a strong interest in geology. But alas, swami will not talk of this... he really is just a text with no personality.
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Anonymous #33
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #33]
#9526989 - 01/01/09 12:49 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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He is also native american from what his posts said. I bet he's like 1/64th and just plays that up for the interwebs.
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Anonymous #32
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #33]
#9527359 - 01/01/09 02:55 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #33 said:
swami will not talk of this...
For some reason I have reservations about this guy being Swami. I have to accept, I guess, that two different personalities can manifest thru the same individual.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #32]
#9527485 - 01/01/09 03:22 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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im teh bestest poster in anon.
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Anonymous #34
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9528085 - 01/01/09 05:55 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #35
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9528120 - 01/01/09 06:02 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #13 said:
I like to debate, but I do not attack people personally. If I am proven wrong, I admit it. I assert my opinions, and many men perceive any woman who asserts her opinions as a bitch.
You never assert your own opinions, you only tear down the opinions of others. Your only method of debate is singling out one part of a person's post that you find inconsistent or unscientific and attempting to debunk it. If someone asks you for your own opinion or asks you a question that you cannot answer and be right, you simply duck out of the thread and ignore their requests.
I was a big fan of you during the Swami days and argued on the forums to UN-BAN SWAMI!!!! I still think you are very intelligent and can potentially add an interesting point of view to the philosophy and spirituality forum if you wanted to. But lately its just the same old skeptic trolling and its honestly just gotten tiresome. And when you post multiple threads with the exact same theme, you really do seem like the Coaster of P&S.
You are a really smart guy and I used to admire your posts, but I think you have gotten caught into playing out one persona on the message board that you never break out of. I think you have plenty to offer if you would open up with some of your own opinions on issues, instead of just attacking the opinions of others and sounding like a broken record. We get it, man. Why don't you post something DIFFERENT? We want you to open up! We know you are a smart guy who has a lot to share with us if so inclined.
Also I would like to note I had no idea there was an Anonymous forum until you mentioned it in P&S so I thank you for pointing this out to me!
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #35]
#9528213 - 01/01/09 06:22 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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awesomebastard said:
the shroomery, staples.
Keep on debunking those looney, illogical philosopher wannabees OC.
I wonder what Plato or Aristotle would have to say if they were alive today and had the knowledge that we have.
Not putting us on their level but I can almost guarantee that they would not fall for logical fallacies in order to suite their own personal insecurities.
By the way if you ever see me getting out of line let me know, I can take criticism and enjoy a good debate.
 these are the people who make p&s SHIT.
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Anonymous #30
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #35]
#9528413 - 01/01/09 07:14 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was a big fan of you during the Swami days
Veritas = Swami?
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9528684 - 01/01/09 08:29 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Awesomebastard has his nose so far up swami's ass he can only breathe when swami farts.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9528892 - 01/01/09 09:14 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, just keep bitching in SA.
P&S goes on just fine without all these butthurt faggots.
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9529143 - 01/01/09 10:06 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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of course it goes on, it's not like youre breaking any rules by being pretentious fuckwads. America goes on just fine and it sucks balls, so your argument is fucking lame.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #18]
#9529222 - 01/01/09 10:20 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #18 said:
Um... at this point I'm only coming back to this thread because I want to see Veritas' allegedly big breasts.
It's ok if we don't see nips. I just want to see how stacked she really is.
I don't know if you are coming back, but I'll attempt to explain what I think Nash was alluding to in his quote. We've already covered the ground that mathematics and logic are closely allied. Veritas was incorrect, though unable to admit it. The following illustrations should make this abundantly clear:
Logic:
Mathematics:
So, let's refer to Nash's quote again and see what we can make of it:
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What truly is logic? Who decides reason? [...:] It is only in the mysterious equations of love that any logic or reason can be found"
I think it should be mentioned that Nash never gave an acceptance speech for the Nobel prize. Nevertheless, I think we can make some sense out of the quote attributed to him.
What is logic? And here we're not looking for some simplistic dickshunary definition, no. We're asking what logic really is. What does it mean? To say something is logical is to say what? It is rational? It makes sense? Yes, it may mean both of those things. But on a deeper level what does that mean? Are we looking at the correspondence theory of Truth or the coherence theory of Truth?
Who decides reason?
This might be referring to the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum, i.e. Bandwagon fallacy. If everyone thinks something is true, it must be true. It might be implying this could have some bearing on logic itself. We observe something and all of conclude it is logical. That means it must be true. Or he might have been implying there is no higher authority to appeal to. That no one is above another.
What are "the mysterious equations of love?"
That might be poetic, or it might be something else. Some mathematicians think all phenomenona can be described mathematically, e.g. calculus. See The Mathematics of Behavior by Hunt for an example. I would explain his statement this way. Ask an empirical scientist or someone from the soft sciences of human behavior what love is. They will tell you that, at the root, love is only electrochemical impulses or some genetically predetermined response to ensure the survival of the species. Those are reductionistic fallacies empiricists fall prey to.
Of course by this time Veritas has wandered away from the argument. She bowed out when it became apparent she was incorrect on a point or two. Just for funsies let me point out one more. She says that NE, Nash Equilibrium, arises from self-interest. This is entirely unfounded. Self-Interest would promote Adam Smith's hypothesis that the best result would come from doing what is best for oneself. Nash saw through it and reached a brilliant compromise for which he was awarded the Nobel prize. The best result comes from doing what is best for oneself and the group. Of course if one is entirely self-centered and egotisical, one would twist this to mean something other than what it actually does.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #30]
#9529243 - 01/01/09 10:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #30 said:
You could easily remedy that oversite.
Nice to see you, Icelander. I was wondering when you'd show up.
How's the little woman?
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Anonymous #33
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9529544 - 01/01/09 11:31 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ummm Icelander is functionally innumerate. He doesn't understand math, at all.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9535975 - 01/03/09 04:03 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I see the Queen's crown is slipping without my help.
Nor has she forgotten the pasting she received in this thread. Link
As predicted, she found a way to Game Theory into something it's not. So typical.
I don't normally read P&S, but when she didn't show up I figured she's be venting her spleen elsewhere.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9536950 - 01/03/09 11:47 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not interested in being a target for abuse. If you want to discuss Game Theory in a reasonable, even-handed manner, and end this derailment of this thread, you know where to post.
If not, then it is clear what your actual goals are.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9537019 - 01/03/09 12:05 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fallacy of the excluded middle, oh my Queen. That's twice now for logical fallacies.
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Your performance in this thread gives more than a compelling reason for assiduously avoiding your forum like the plague. An invitation to your forum? No thanks, I'd rather not.
Will you walk into my parlour?" said the Spider to the Fly,
'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
And I've a many curious things to shew when you are there."
Oh no, no," said the little Fly, "to ask me is in vain,
For who goes up your winding stair can ne'er come down again."
"I'm sure you must be weary, dear, with soaring up so high;
Will you rest upon my little bed?" said the Spider to the Fly.
"There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
And if you like to rest awhile, I'll snugly tuck you in!"
Oh no, no," said the little Fly, "for I've often heard it said,
They never, never wake again, who sleep upon your bed!"
Said the cunning Spider to the Fly, " Dear friend what can I do,
To prove the warm affection I 've always felt for you?
I have within my pantry, good store of all that's nice;
I'm sure you're very welcome -- will you please to take a slice?"
"Oh no, no," said the little Fly, "kind Sir, that cannot be,
I've heard what's in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!"
"Sweet creature!" said the Spider, "you're witty and you're wise,
How handsome are your gauzy wings, how brilliant are your eyes!
I've a little looking-glass upon my parlour shelf,
If you'll step in one moment, dear, you shall behold yourself."
"I thank you, gentle sir," she said, "for what you 're pleased to say,
And bidding you good morning now, I'll call another day."
The Spider turned him round about, and went into his den,
For well he knew the silly Fly would soon come back again:
So he wove a subtle web, in a little corner sly,
And set his table ready, to dine upon the Fly.
Then he came out to his door again, and merrily did sing,
"Come hither, hither, pretty Fly, with the pearl and silver wing;
Your robes are green and purple -- there's a crest upon your head;
Your eyes are like the diamond bright, but mine are dull as lead!"
Alas, alas! how very soon this silly little Fly,
Hearing his wily, flattering words, came slowly flitting by;
With buzzing wings she hung aloft, then near and nearer drew,
Thinking only of her brilliant eyes, and green and purple hue --
Thinking only of her crested head -- poor foolish thing! At last,
Up jumped the cunning Spider, and fiercely held her fast.
He dragged her up his winding stair, into his dismal den,
Within his little parlour -- but she ne'er came out again!
And now dear little children, who may this story read,
To idle, silly flattering words, I pray you ne'er give heed:
Unto an evil counsellor, close heart and ear and eye,
And take a lesson from this tale, of the Spider and the Fly.
If I didn't post there when you weren't a mod, why in the world would I post there now?
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Anonymous #1
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9537029 - 01/03/09 12:08 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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 you faggot.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9537042 - 01/03/09 12:11 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can I help it if she can't mod worth a shit and doesn't understand logic in its most basic forms?
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9537044 - 01/03/09 12:12 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try PM.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9537072 - 01/03/09 12:17 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've appreciated every post you made in this thread, #14. That last one leaves me confused.
PM who?
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Anonymous #6
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]  1
#9537081 - 01/03/09 12:19 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #11 said:
Can I help it if she can't mod worth a shit and doesn't understand logic in its most basic forms?
Dude, your posts here suck. You're the one who made the big rambling post about logic, where it appears you dont understand it at all. It is no bandwagon fallacy, logic does not depend on consensus. Logic depends on the axioms and structure that are created for it to be applied, those axioms and structure are arbitrary but the logical ends inferred from them are not.
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9537097 - 01/03/09 12:22 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #11 said:
I've appreciated every post you made in this thread, #14. That last one leaves me confused.
PM who?
11 and 13 should take game theory to pm.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #6]
#9537099 - 01/03/09 12:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #6 said:
Logic depends on the axioms and structure that are created for it to be applied, those axioms and structure are arbitrary but the logical ends inferred from them are not.
Created by who, inferred by who?
The bigger picture requires a perspective outside the box.
Does logic exist without consciousness?
If so, prove it or at least provide evidence.
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Anonymous #6
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9537125 - 01/03/09 12:28 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Created by anybody. Anybody can create any set of axioms and structure they want... thats what mathematicians do. The inferred logical ends then follow those rules without subjectivity.
Does logic exist without consciousness?
Absolutely not.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #14]
#9537127 - 01/03/09 12:28 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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That might be a solution, but if one is interested in winning an argument, her raison d’être, she wouldn't be interested. Further, I, on the other hand, have no interest in a private conversation with her on any topic.
She is fascinating though. Don't you think? The kind of thing on a highway that causes rubbernecking.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #6]
#9537159 - 01/03/09 12:34 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #6 said:
Created by anybody. Anybody can create any set of axioms and structure they want... thats what mathematicians do. The inferred logical ends then follow those rules without subjectivity.
And you know this how?
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Anonymous #6
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9537184 - 01/03/09 12:43 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Because Im a genius.
Really though, its all pretty self evident.... What part dont you get? Logical structure gets created, which includes a set of rules. Once you choose to work within that structure, you follow the rules to get to the end. Like the classic affirming by a affirming... the structure that this rule is contained in was invented long ago to somewhat fit our intuition. The rule is simple and applied objectively, if x then z; x; then z.
There is no ambiguity in applying the rules, the only part that is subjective is choosing which logical structure to work within.
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9537208 - 01/03/09 12:48 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #11 said:
That might be a solution, but if one is interested in winning an argument, her raison d’être, she wouldn't be interested. Further, I, on the other hand, have no interest in a private conversation with her on any topic.
She is fascinating though. Don't you think? The kind of thing on a highway that causes rubbernecking.
She doesn't bother me personally, I just don't like the way the forum is run. I am not well versed in her subjects so I don't know if she is right or wrong. I do see some of the traits that are pointed out in this topic.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #6]
#9537271 - 01/03/09 01:08 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #6 said:
Because Im a genius.
Really though, its all pretty self evident.... What part dont you get? Logical structure gets created, which includes a set of rules. Once you choose to work within that structure, you follow the rules to get to the end. Like the classic affirming by a affirming... the structure that this rule is contained in was invented long ago to somewhat fit our intuition. The rule is simple and applied objectively, if x then z; x; then z.
There is no ambiguity in applying the rules, the only part that is subjective is choosing which logical structure to work within.
Anything self-evident, i.e. axiomatic, is either created reflexively within a consciousness, i.e. subjective, or discussed with another consciousness, i.e. objective. This would apply to logic as well as many other things. I was postulating that Nash was asking the bigger question. If a postulate such as reason or logic were created reflexively, whose creation would supersede or outweigh anothers'? If the postulate was dependant on another consciousness for validation it might be seen as a bandwagon fallacy.
I'm not saying it is true or false. All I was saying is that the Nash quote may have been referring to that.
Do you understand?
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Anonymous #6
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9537299 - 01/03/09 01:20 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you understand?
Barely. I dont really get the philosophy forum, and hence I dont really get this stuff either. You are talking about the validity of postulates, but in logic validity is not a trait of a postulate it is the trait of an argument. A postulate simply is, there is no test for validity. Similarly, no logical structure supersedes or outweighs others; they just exist.
Science on the other hand is where postulates have the trait of valid or invalid. Also, when trying to apply a structure to describe something then one may outweigh others. But again, this is not the realm of logic or mathematics - it is the realm of science.
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Anonymous #13
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11] 1
#9538080 - 01/03/09 04:31 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fair enough. Since you have no interest in discussing the subject in a forum where you will not be allowed to repeatedly flame me, your motivations are crystal clear.
Noted.
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Anonymous #34
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9538604 - 01/03/09 05:53 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can anyone here explain the reasoning behind Lorentz claiming that the aether was at rest in absolute space and then Born and Einstein assumed that the aether and space were the same thing and the belief that detecting the velocity relative to the aether was supposed to be an absolute velocity even though the aether and space are two different things according to Lorentz?
If Einstein was right how is it that the speed of light isn't constant according to these experiments?
Progress in Space-Time Physics preface to page 35
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/8/24/2063601/PSTPpreface-35.pdf
http://surf.de.uu.net/bookland/sci/farce/farce_toc.html
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Anonymous #14
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #34]
#9538720 - 01/03/09 06:09 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I like neil young better than Nash.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9539876 - 01/03/09 09:56 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #13 said:
Fair enough. Since you have no interest in discussing the subject in a forum where you will not be allowed to repeatedly flame me, your motivations are crystal clear.
Noted.
Noted? Who died and left you judge? What I have no interest in is posting in a forum where you can abuse your power on me. I prefer a level playing field. Evidently, you like a stacked deck. And that, my dear lady, says volumes about your character.
For a person that doesn't like abuse you sure know how to dish it out.
and
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9539882 - 01/03/09 09:58 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Poor poor thing. The nasty man made bad words at her. 
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #34]
#9539890 - 01/03/09 10:00 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #34 said:
Can anyone here explain the reasoning behind Lorentz claiming that the aether was at rest in absolute space and then Born and Einstein assumed that the aether and space were the same thing and the belief that detecting the velocity relative to the aether was supposed to be an absolute velocity even though the aether and space are two different things according to Lorentz?
If Einstein was right how is it that the speed of light isn't constant according to these experiments?
Progress in Space-Time Physics preface to page 35
http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/8/24/2063601/PSTPpreface-35.pdf
http://surf.de.uu.net/bookland/sci/farce/farce_toc.html
Someone else will have to explain. I am a philosophy major, not physics.
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Anonymous #6
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11]
#9540221 - 01/03/09 11:02 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dont think that is physics
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Anonymous #25
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #11] 1
#9540344 - 01/03/09 11:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey #11, you're quite the headcase. Get a life.
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Anonymous #23
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #25]
#9540498 - 01/03/09 11:43 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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You people are pathetic.
I cant believe this thread has 10 pages and still continues to get replies bashing veratis and OC.
Get a life.
P.S. this does not refer to the last 2 posts.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #25]
#9540681 - 01/04/09 12:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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What does having a life have to do with it?
You're reading and responding to the posts. Maybe you should get a life, asshole.
#25: You're surprised that two of the biggest trolls on the Shroomery get flamed for pages and pages? You are naive, aren't you.
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Anonymous #11
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #6]
#9540695 - 01/04/09 12:10 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #6 said:
Do you understand?
Barely. I dont really get the philosophy forum, and hence I dont really get this stuff either. You are talking about the validity of postulates, but in logic validity is not a trait of a postulate it is the trait of an argument. A postulate simply is, there is no test for validity. Similarly, no logical structure supersedes or outweighs others; they just exist.
Science on the other hand is where postulates have the trait of valid or invalid. Also, when trying to apply a structure to describe something then one may outweigh others. But again, this is not the realm of logic or mathematics - it is the realm of science.
Sorry about not getting back to this sooner. Thanks for the honest admission.
Without logic and mathematics science wouldn't exist.
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Anonymous #36
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #13]
#9548151 - 01/05/09 01:20 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #13 said:
Fair enough. Since you have no interest in discussing the subject in a forum where you will not be allowed to repeatedly flame me, your motivations are crystal clear.
Exposure?
Exposure is hella entertaining.
Thanks #11 
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #36]
#9548165 - 01/05/09 01:22 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I for one will stick up for Veritas when she's getting repeatedly slammed by a butthurt kid with a grudge.
She's pedantic, yes, and has a habit of relying on argument by definition, but that is only to provide precise terminology. She's highly intelligent, speaks succinctly, and promotes a good, healthy philosophy of uplifting rationality.
You go, V.
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Anonymous #23
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9548174 - 01/05/09 01:24 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #2 said:
I for one will stick up for Veritas when she's getting repeatedly slammed by a butthurt kid with a grudge.
She's pedantic, yes, and has a habit of relying on argument by definition, but that is only to provide precise terminology. She's highly intelligent, speaks succinctly, and promotes a good, healthy philosophy of uplifting rationality.
You go, V.
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Anonymous #36
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9548447 - 01/05/09 02:05 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #2 said:
I for one will stick up for Veritas when she's getting repeatedly slammed by a butthurt kid with a grudge.
What is it now, anyone who attempts to expose the ignorant and arrogant acts of another is butt-hurt?
She deserves to be slammed solely for the games of favoritism she plays in P&S. What goes around comes around.
Don't like it? Go cry some more rivers.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #36]
#9548453 - 01/05/09 02:07 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anonymous #36
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9548471 - 01/05/09 02:10 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #2 said:
She's highly intelligent.
Intelligent? Only if you're shallow. Dive deep enough and you'll find it's mostly pee-pool verbal diarrhea.
You can't be very intelligent if you fail to recognize your own blatant arrogance and superiority complex.
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Anonymous #33
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #36]
#9548527 - 01/05/09 02:22 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I think she's intelligent, and hot.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #36]
#9548625 - 01/05/09 02:41 AM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #36 said:
Quote:
Anonymous #2 said:
She's highly intelligent.
You can't be very intelligent if you fail to recognize your own blatant arrogance and superiority complex.
Thats the truth.
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Anonymous #2
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9550487 - 01/05/09 01:07 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Intelligence and an arrogance complex are not mutually exclusive.
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Anonymous #36
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #2]
#9552526 - 01/05/09 07:32 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Self-knowledge could be considered a form of intelligence. Those with extremely bloated attitudes lack this kind of intelligence.
Someone is not "highly intelligent" when they lack this intelligence to quite the extreme degree.
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #36]
#9552635 - 01/05/09 07:47 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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And their arrogance makes it impossible for them have an objective opinion or engage in rational debate.
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Anonymous #37
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #1]
#9553238 - 01/05/09 09:13 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does anyone really expect intelligent philosophical debate and discussion on a drug forum?
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #37]
#9553306 - 01/05/09 09:23 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't see why not. Drug users are intelligent.
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Anonymous #6
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #8]
#9553749 - 01/05/09 10:21 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Anonymous #8 said:
I don't see why not. Drug users are intelligent.
Then where are all the intelligent debate/discussions? This site is great for learning about mushrooms and trite hilarity, but there arnt really any intelligent debate/discussions, philosophical or otherwise, are there?
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Anonymous #8
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Re: Orgoneconclusion is pathetic. [Re: Anonymous #6]
#9553898 - 01/05/09 10:38 PM (4 years, 4 months ago) |
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Of course there are. There are the usual problems which occur in all forms of human communications but there are also a lot of very intelligent discussions.
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