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 Ego Death
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 Re: How we can make weed legal...  [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9495240 - 12/26/08 12:44 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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People back down when it comes to public though.
They'll write in a poll they think weeds OK but get them in front of their kids school teachers and they'll be spinning a different story 
Its not what you think as a person but also how the collective group behaves. Not many people will stand out when the anti-mj's start pulling out all the old tricks.
In the UK if the majority actually believed weed should be legalized then I would expect the next time voting came around the party would openly support it as it would be a guaranteed way of getting your party voted in.
I think you'd have better luck getting people that don't take any drugs to campaign against drug illegality. Campaign to get it treated as a public health issue not a criminal one.
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UnholyChild666
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: supernovasky]
#9495242 - 12/26/08 12:46 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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some people want the fact that they smoke weed to be kept private, regardless of it's legal status it could affect them in some way, being job, personal life etc.
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 stimpson
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: Cultosaurus]
#9495246 - 12/26/08 12:48 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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there is a very delicate balance with how drugs work right now. it's true there is a large sum of money circulating exclusively in the black market for drug trade that the government never gets to account for, but ALSO - drugs are keeping people complacent and satisfied with less. if there was no weed... do u think we would have as many janitors as we do? believe it or not, we need those guys.
also, you are not going to get every stoner to come out and stand up to the government. the government isn't the only 'enemy' to cannabis smokers here. there is a very heavy social stigma against weed smoking, and THAT is one of the main reasons it is still illegal.
honestly guys, smoking makes u lazy. in some people, it makes you stink. in others, in turns them into mischievous assholes. still others, it 'ALLOWS THEM' to get away with things because 'they were high'.
a good majority of the sober population doesn't smoke not because of laws, but because THEY DON'T WANT TO. they enjoy saving money, and being productive, and essentially being seen as 'good' in the eyes of the ruling state. they are safe that way.
if, somehow, the stoners at the bottom of the barrel began to shape up and really show they were clean, honest, harmless, well dressed, productive gears in society - THAT would be the first step toward decriminalizing marijuana.
you'd have to go "look at all i can do, even tho i smoke. it doesn't HINDER me."
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DimensionX
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: feifen]
#9495247 - 12/26/08 12:48 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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feifen said:
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DimensionX said:
I think we should study how alcohol prohibition was ended to learn how to end this prohibition. The conditions are a bit different but there are similarities. An interesting one is that the government needing extra tax revenue during a finacial crisis played a big role in ending prohibition.
Are you crazy? There is nothing to study. Many people got violent and riots broke out. Especially in the south (can anyone cite this?). People were so outraged that they tried to ban it, Alcohol was part of American History since the Irish came and brought distillers along with them. Unless you plan on getting extremely violent (just what the drug scene needs, associated with pot, or any drug in that matter.)
Thats your perspective. Personally i think there's a lot more to it than that. But you won't know until you study it in depth. If you look at revolutions in history, a lot of them copy previous revolutions. Understanding history is key to understanding and manipulating the present.
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Edited by DimensionX (12/26/08 12:49 AM)
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: DimensionX]
#9495295 - 12/26/08 01:00 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay, I'll get a little more in-depth for you. America got corrupted, Tax revenues decreased greatly, Many people started using other drugs, Crime rate increased by a large percent, Alcohol Consumption actually raised over time, and with Increased Crime rate so did Government spending on trying to control such outbreaks, not to mention violent outbreaks, especially drunks. Capeesh? 
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: feifen]
#9495303 - 12/26/08 01:02 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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You don't see the similarities between that and what is happening now?
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Cultosaurus
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Fucking conservative government...the people of Canada won't let that bill pass, we were soooo fuckin' close to legalization 'till that fuckin' Harper goof got voted in.
don't forget that the public also voted Mulroney back into office even after he told people that he was going to fuck us.
then they're all standing around saying : 'I didn't think he meant MY job."
public opinion means nothing in changing the law. force is what is needed. Like Prisoner#1 said, show up with 20,000 and what is the MP going to do. This BS has been going on for more than 40 fucking years that we've been trying to change it. (yes, I know the law is older, but concerted effort to change it is only recent)
This never ceases to piss me off, smaller groups have had bigger changes made for less reason. A bunch of kids got the Ontario government to back down on driver's license changes, and we can't get something more important with more people changed?
I tend to rant on this subject. alot
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Ego Death
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: Cultosaurus]
#9495326 - 12/26/08 01:07 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Theres more to it though.
Alcohol, nicotine & caffiene are good addictive harmful drugs to give to worker bees. Give people safe but eye opening drugs like weed, mushrooms etc and they don't give a fuck about working anymore.
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: DimensionX]
#9495342 - 12/26/08 01:12 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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DimensionX said:
You don't see the similarities between that and what is happening now?
I never said I did not see some, but they were entirely different times, opinions, thoughts and back then, weed was still even legal. You tell me. I just wrote in my post that the government has corruption, that we the people, are not being represented as we should be. I don't care about the history, the past is the past, and guess what, all that history repeats itself is shit, You find me another Hitler and I'll shoot the fucker myself. I am promoter of an organized way to fight against this shit that is now, and your worried about the past? Get the priorities straight man, change isn't coming from the past, change is coming from me, you, and everyone in this world alive. I don't mean to bash on you or anything by the way, I simply cannot stress enough how much people need to speak up. I am still young, and I want to live in the world that I cannot be judged as some junkie, while I am a very responsible drug user. Please, post your opinion on this. I do like to hear your side to this though.
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: stimpson]
#9495350 - 12/26/08 01:14 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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stimpson said:
honestly guys, smoking makes u lazy. in some people, it makes you stink. in others, in turns them into mischievous assholes. still others, it 'ALLOWS THEM' to get away with things because 'they were high'.
if, somehow, the stoners at the bottom of the barrel began to shape up and really show they were clean, honest, harmless, well dressed, productive gears in society - THAT would be the first step toward decriminalizing marijuana.
you'd have to go "look at all i can do, even tho i smoke. it doesn't HINDER me."
stereotyping crap. for some people it may apply, but certainly not to the greater majority.
then you have obviously never heard of the very long list of successful people who smoke pot. business people, actors, politicians. Like Drunken said, Marc Emery. Do a You Tube search on this guy, watch a few of the vids, he is literate, well educated, passionate about the cause, very well informed on the true uses of pot, not government lies and most importantly, a very successful business man. A prime example of pot NOT interfering with normal life
and to get to the top quote there, one of Marc's vids shows a discussion on something that comes up from time to time. Alcohol and cocaine and some other intoxicants will allow a person to do something that is against their moral code. Pot has never done that to someone. People will sell their soul for another line or another bottle, but pot will never let you cross a line that you would not otherwise already cross.
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Ego Death
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: feifen]
#9495387 - 12/26/08 01:20 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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I want to live in the world that I cannot be judged as some junkie
That will not happen.
If you live in Africa you will be judged as an African.
Do you think a prostitute is a prostitute?
Without getting into the definition of junkie, do you see my point? Its back to what I said earlier about the majority of society having no real idea of what drugs actually are.
And why would they? If you are not interested in the truth then your happy to accept the disinformation spewing out your TV set.
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: feifen]
#9495401 - 12/26/08 01:23 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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feifen said:
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DimensionX said:
You don't see the similarities between that and what is happening now?
I never said I did not see some, but they were entirely different times, opinions, thoughts and back then, weed was still even legal. You tell me. I just wrote in my post that the government has corruption, that we the people, are not being represented as we should be. I don't care about the history, the past is the past, and guess what, all that history repeats itself is shit, You find me another Hitler and I'll shoot the fucker myself. I am promoter of an organized way to fight against this shit that is now, and your worried about the past? Get the priorities straight man, change isn't coming from the past, change is coming from me, you, and everyone in this world alive. I don't mean to bash on you or anything by the way, I simply cannot stress enough how much people need to speak up. I am still young, and I want to live in the world that I cannot be judged as some junkie, while I am a very responsible drug user. Please, post your opinion on this. I do like to hear your side to this though.
I think your pro active attitude is good, and very necessary. If only more people had it. But learning from the past does not prohibit someone from being proactive. Its about learning how humanity works and learning from other peoples mistakes and successes so you know what to do when the time comes for action. You mentioned Hitler, he was just one of many people in history who have used racial hatred to control, motivate and unify people. All these ideas are tried and true and people in power use them over and over again. Its not a coincidence either, politicians study history and learn from it, i think its time that we do the same.
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Ego Death
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: Cultosaurus]
#9495410 - 12/26/08 01:26 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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pot will never let you cross a line that you would not otherwise already cross.
Thats bollocks. Plenty of people act completely out of character and do things they would not of done otherwise. Many drugs can do this and pot is no exception, THC is a very powerful substance. I've seen clean cut people start smoking weed and turn to robbing houses and people for weed money. Smokers act like weed is a special drug that has no negative effects but your not convincing anyone else.
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: Ego Death]
#9495413 - 12/26/08 01:27 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ah yes Ego, I do agree with you! It is of but a simple wish. I know it won't happen, and I don't really think it will ever happen, and I'm not positive about it EVER coming true. But hey, I'm actually quite content with my life unlike many American's that "waste" their lives away watching TV and useless propaganda with mild news. Sure, some entertainment is fine, no problem, but when people becoming hypocrites and tell me my life is being wasted (As I have been told by my family) When the 18 years I lived with them, all they did was watch TV when they got home. That's it.
It would be nice, but honestly, I don't care about people's opinions, I have my friends and my love, and they are the only ones that need to judge me, and they won't. Sadly, I cannot say the same for others..
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: stimpson]
#9495421 - 12/26/08 01:30 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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stimpson said:
do u think we would have as many janitors as we do? believe it or not, we need those guys.
yes
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honestly guys, smoking makes u lazy. in some people, it makes you stink.
no... lazy stoners were lazy by nature, I get a great deal
more accomplished when I'm stoned because it's easier to
lose track of time and to focus on the task at hand
now if you'd be so kind as to stop talking out of your
ass I believe people might begin to listen to you
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: Ego Death]
#9495427 - 12/26/08 01:33 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ego Death said:
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pot will never let you cross a line that you would not otherwise already cross.
Thats bollocks. Plenty of people act completely out of character and do things they would not of done otherwise.
he's kinda right, drugs simply give people the excuse, have
you ever once been so stone that you did something you'd
never thought of doing, that you didnt really have the desire
to do... never once with me but it did allow me to use it as
an excuse for doing what I did
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Ego Death
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9495435 - 12/26/08 01:34 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your luckyt and dare I say the exception.
Lack of motivation does appear to be an effect of cannabis in people who smoke it everyday.
IME it certainly had that effect. I was happy to do nothing. It made doing nothing tolerable. Before I started smoking weed I was very active. Being active and smoking weed was difficult.
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: DimensionX]
#9495445 - 12/26/08 01:37 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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Definitely if you smoke it everyday. But i think its crazy to think that taking a powerful drug like weed everyday won't have negative effects. But i also think that if i drank alcohol as much as i have smoked weed in the past that i would probably have a very bad illness, possibly even something critical by now.
Edited by DimensionX (12/26/08 01:37 AM)
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: Ego Death]
#9495460 - 12/26/08 01:39 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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lucky nothing, I'm not someone that likes to sit around all the
time, usually when I do I'm sober, being stoned makes it almost
impossible, I have to get out and do something, IMO people that
tend to sit around on weed and be lazy generally are people
suffering from mild depression to start with, they simply arent
self motivating
in your case, it again gave you the excuse to be lazy
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: How we can make weed legal... [Re: DimensionX]
#9495482 - 12/26/08 01:44 AM (4 years, 5 months ago) |
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DimensionX said:
Definitely if you smoke it everyday.
my brother smokes 3+ blunts per day, he gets up at 6am every
morning, he makes breakfast for his wife, wakes her up and goes
to work, he's high all day at work because he owns his company,
his partner is the same way, they both make sales calls, they
both do installations, the both do everything in the company
and both are very chronic potheads
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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