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 Re: Angels and demons from a magickal perspective...  [Re: deCypher]
#10940047 - 08/26/09 09:19 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah greed and people not taking the time to put themselves in other peoples shoes. I like helping people out cuz I picture myself in there shoes and I'd be happy if someone else did the same for me. Maybe in the future we'll all develop telepathy so the parasites wont be able to go undetected. Wouldn't end well for the parasites
They'd have to pull their weight whether they like it or not. I don't go for this human nature bullshit. I'm a human but its not my nature to exploit my fellow man. We're descended from monkeys what went wrong? Its just a matter of some people choosing to be scumbags if in my opinion. I dunno how it is for others but when I'm on psychedelics it hits me like a brick in the head. We're all in this thing together. To each their own though I suppose. Without parasites the world wouldn't be half the fun it is today. Its good fun learning to spot the snakes in the grass and learning how to become immune to exploitation and all that.
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Mother goose said to the swan "Is that PCP your cooking?" and the swan replied "Yes, yes it is.
Edited by jonnyjonjonjon (08/26/09 09:43 AM)
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Re: Angels and demons from a magickal perspective... [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
#10940188 - 08/26/09 10:16 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe in the future we'll all develop telepathy so the parasites wont be able to go undetected
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: Angels and demons from a magickal perspective... [Re: jivJaN]
#10940202 - 08/26/09 10:20 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maybe in the future we'll all develop telepathy so the parasites wont be able to go undetected
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Elaborate. Its not that far fetched an idea in my opinion. Nikola Tesla had theories on the matter. He thought that human minds connect to each other if they're both tuned to the same frequency a bit like a radio.
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Mother goose said to the swan "Is that PCP your cooking?" and the swan replied "Yes, yes it is.
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Re: Angels and demons from a magickal perspective... [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
#10940509 - 08/26/09 11:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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As our ability to read other people's minds increases so too should our ability to shield our own thoughts. I personally would not enjoy the invasion of my privacy inherent in constant broadcasting of what I'm thinking to everyone around me; sure, telepathy can be incredibly useful and when both parties involved consent the experience would be amazingly spectacular for love (imagine the sexual bond caused by merging two minds!), creative brainstorming (scientists and think-tank innovators would have an absolute field day!), and a host of other activities that are currently limited by the innate crudity of inferior forms of communication like the spoken word. It, however, would not be good for poker, trying to escape from an oppressive governmental regime, or those awkward social encounters where if you said what you really thought all hell would break loose. Sometimes we keep our thoughts private for a good reason; complete telepathy without any possibility of shielding would destroy the last inner sanctuary of our soul and make thought-crime a reality.
I'd speculate that if our psychic or technological capabilities develop sufficiently to where telepathy is possible, counter-measures will quickly arise to compensate: either by broadcasting fake or 'dummy' thoughts, or by preventing the intrusion of another person's mind through some kind of mental shield. I would rather pay the price of having to deal with a few parasites than live in a world where the harsh truth is forced on us by totalitarian means. Is acting in an honest manner because you know you'll get caught if you lie better than acting in a honest manner because you feel that lying is wrong? I feel that the former kind of imposed morality is what such a system of unlicensed telepathy would condone; having to deal with adversity and negativity in this world where people can lie without being detected is ultimately far more rewarding for our spiritual growth IMO. There is something valuable to be said for taking the time to earn someone's trust.
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jonnyjonjonjon said: We're descended from monkeys what went wrong?
Looks like you got your behavior from the bonobos: this species of monkey is very peaceful, non-violent, and settles most if not all conflicts within the troop through exchange of sexual favors (something humans need to learn!) Unfortunately, many humans also get their behavior from the chimpanzees: this species can get downright nasty with organized conflicts (think war) against other troops, socially acceptable infanticide and cannibalism, and a much more rigid hierarchical structure than the bonobos. We've got both an angel and a demon scampering amongst our genetic code... the choice is ours as to which we support.
An old Cherokee is teaching his grandson about life. "A fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy. "It is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves. One is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego." He continued, "The other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith. The same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too." The grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather, "Which wolf will win?" The old Cherokee simply replied, "The one you feed."
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Re: Angels and demons from a magickal perspective... [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
#10940780 - 08/26/09 12:59 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its not that far fetched an idea in my opinion
i dont think it is.. thats why im waiting 
have you read the entire thread ?
i think that we can communicate between each other just like cells do..
but lets say us cells here on earth are like a kidney
soon as we realize that we're the kidney.. we might be able to experience what its like to interact with another organ.
its like the fish thats in little very shallow pond (michio kaku's analogy) it has eyes on the side of its head. it experiences left and right / forward and backward..
but has no concept of UP. But if you took this fish out of the pond .. it would see a completely new world.
one in which up and down add another dimension to the experience ..
it would see beings that dont require water to breath and move about with legs instead of fins..
this is why my arguments in this thread were centered on the next level of experience that is under question..
i believe that in this next level , dimension or whatever you want to call it...
the realization of the larger body ,that is humanity , will be integrated into the conscious experience and refined so much that the culmination of it will be another identity just like the one you possess now.
From that standpoint.. i like to consider telepathy as internal chit chat of the larger mind.
but it is only once the same realization occurs between two separate individuals , that this type of communication is possible.
and even then.. once it is over.. the participants will have a very hard time explaining to you how it went down.
" we were the same person... it was like he was me .. and i was him "
perhaps this sounds far fetched to somebody out there.. which is , i think , precisely why all the tests and studies using conventional science are going to have a hard time grasping this phenomena and a long time to connect all the dots, if they accept its existence in the first place.
i dont really think that we connect to each other per se .. like the example you gave of radios and frequencies..
in fact.. i consider it a very common misconception of the phenomena , stemming exactly from the same scientific approach , which i mentioned above.
i believe.. that the larger body is aware of all events and thoughts of the smaller portions , perhaps not consciously ... but its almost like the internet.
you just browse the web for my thoughts...
but you can get pop up adds .. and viruses... - thats what the demons do
- more highly evolved cells on the cancerous prostate.. that just send info to the kidney..
and the smaller cells can stumble across it sometimes.. so they start spreading the news..
or.. you get completely new profound information from the healthy highly evolved lung cells that are helping in nature - angels.
both are basically what we consider extra terrestrials and im starting to look at actual angels(conscious entities residing in a higher pond than the one above us).. as the immune system.
and perhaps they control the balance of the two..
so.. further on.. my opinion is that we get an equal amount of both.
and it is our choice which kind of information we lean towards more.
i think it is pretty evident which kind has been dominant on our planet.
still.. i believe a time comes when the consciousness of the cells is supposed to rise to this new level.
those that were leaning more towards the lungs information and were spreading that in opposition to the cancerous information .. stay with the kidney in a completely new reality - and this happens because they were obviously most diligent about maintaining the kidneys health , which benefits the entire body.
those that like the prostate and were performing the spreading of that information the most , are drafted by the entirety of the cancerous consciousness and relocated to an already infected organ.
i bet you didnt expect that kind of reply :P
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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: Angels and demons from a magickal perspective... [Re: deCypher]
#10948913 - 08/27/09 05:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
As our ability to read other people's minds increases so too should our ability to shield our own thoughts.
I pondered this a good few times. The best comparison would probably be to hacking. Although we can keep the script kiddies out if the government wants to hack our computers they will have quite a few tricks in their arsenal. Even experienced hackers would have trouble preventing the government from accessing their machines. If artificial telepathy technology comes about you can be sure the government will do their best to stay 50 steps ahead of the average man. In my honest opinion if telepathy is or ever becomes a reality then the government bypassing peoples defenses and monitoring thoughts is an inevitable consequence. On the other hand you may well be right. We could do something similar to encryption where we develop a unique way of thinking which can only be interpreted by us alone. That wouldn't be a simple matter but I'd say it could be done haha. I'm not quite sure if thoughts could be accurately interpreted though because its not like we think in words we think in rapid images which have attached meanings that only we can interpret. I was listening to this guy called Duncan O'Finion who claims he has little or no recollection of being trained by the military to become some kinda super soldier. He was saying if he's in a fight for example sometimes he'll see an image of a can of pepsi in his mind which is not his own thought. He says he can derive from that that the other guys thirsty. I'd say this is how it would work in a real life scenario.
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I personally would not enjoy the invasion of my privacy inherent in constant broadcasting of what I'm thinking to everyone around me
I've thought long and hard about this. If suddenly everything was open would I be comfortable with people knowing my every though? Its only when I really take the time to ponder it do I realize that my views towards others aren't always good. I'd say there would be at least one or two people that would be opposed to how I view them. At the same time I'd love to see what others think of me. Although we live in the same world we live in very different inner worlds. Its impossible to really communicate these differences cuz for example we might both use the same word lets say blue for two different colors but since we both use the same word we assume we both see the same thing.
Yeah mass telepathy would certainly have its fair share of downsides. What I was implying was not that the parasites would have morals imposed on them but they wouldn't be able to exploit others because others would see exactly what they're up to. They'd have to pull their own weight. Its an interesting subject. What you said about broadcasting dummy thoughts thats pretty smart. Whether its biological or technological methods of telepathy there would be lots of tricks to add to ones sleeve but like I said the government works hard to keep ahead of the game and they have the resources to do so.
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Looks like you got your behavior from the bonobos: this species of monkey is very peaceful, non-violent, and settles most if not all conflicts within the troop through exchange of sexual favors (something humans need to learn!) Unfortunately, many humans also get their behavior from the chimpanzees: this species can get downright nasty with organized conflicts (think war) against other troops, socially acceptable infanticide and cannibalism, and a much more rigid hierarchical structure than the bonobos. We've got both an angel and a demon scampering amongst our genetic code... the choice is ours as to which we support.
Haha you know your monkeys. As for genetics I can't wait to see whats to come. Nowadays people with very little knowledge can genetically engineer bacteria in their kitchen. Like mass telepathy mass genetic engineering will have serious implications. In my opinion in both scenarios if everyone adopts the right attitude it needn't spiral out of control.
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Mother goose said to the swan "Is that PCP your cooking?" and the swan replied "Yes, yes it is.
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Re: Angels and demons from a magickal perspective... [Re: jivJaN]
#10950606 - 08/27/09 09:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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its like the fish thats in little very shallow pond (michio kaku's analogy) it has eyes on the side of its head. it experiences left and right / forward and backward..
but has no concept of UP. But if you took this fish out of the pond .. it would see a completely new world.
one in which up and down add another dimension to the experience ..
it would see beings that dont require water to breath and move about with legs instead of fins..
I got stuck in the second dimension on salvia once. It was a frustrating experience to say the least because I KNEW that there was more to life I just couldn't remember. I kept trying and trying until eventually something happened what I don't remember but what I do remember is it was the funniest thing I'd ever seen realizing I was in the 3rd dimension the whole time it was an illusion that I was trapped in the 2nd dimension because it was my own mind after all. I nearly suffocated when I came back to the 3D world cuz I couldn't stop laughing. I saw some inner working of the universe in the process of escaping the 2D illusion which are right under our noses but for some reason we never see them with our ordinary perception.
I also had a real bizarre dream one night I fell asleep on opiates (I always get nightmares when I doze off on opiates) that there was someone pressuring me to play this 2D pacman type game and he sounded real desperate in a sick way hard to explain and after a while I forgot there was anything more than this game of pacman so I got stuck in the 2D game of pacman. The whole time I could feel pain in my back around where the kidneys would be. It really got me thinking about the nature of reality. Maybe this world is us with our heads in the sand of the spiritual world and our bodies are left exposed. If theres one thing that salvias thought me its that we ALWAYS work our way out of the boxes we find ourselves in because its us the put ourselves there in the first place. I think what it is is when all else fails we just drop off hows, whys, whats, whens, whos and just decide we're getting out of the box. Thats how its gonna be. In my opinion the box is logic. Once the logic fades so too does the box.
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From that standpoint.. i like to consider telepathy as internal chit chat of the larger mind.
but it is only once the same realization occurs between two separate individuals , that this type of communication is possible.
I've never pondered this concept before. That would imply that the organ we're apart sets the environment a certain way to make us inclined to act in certain ways. Looking at it from an ego point of view we're slaves to the system. Looking at it from a holistic point of view we are the system. Maybe salvia shows us how to transcend the ego and traverse the system. In fact that would explain salvia. I've never been anywhere remotely resembling the ordinary world on salvia but some of my friends say they turned into other people. One of them says he was a little black girl in some southern state and he had all her memories and all her views of the world. The only thing I ever morphed into was a couch but that didn't last long it was as I was leaving ordinary reality.
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perhaps this sounds far fetched to somebody out there.. which is , i think , precisely why all the tests and studies using conventional science are going to have a hard time grasping this phenomena and a long time to connect all the dots, if they accept its existence in the first place.
Non locality has been demonstrated plenty of times in the lab. Look up the princeton university remote viewing trials. Remote viewing and dream telepathy have been demonstrated in the lab. Not only has remote viewing distant objects been demonstrated but its been demonstrated that the remote viewer is not limited by time either. Lately I've been reading this book by Russel Targ called Limitless Mind. Theres some interesting shit in there.
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i dont really think that we connect to each other per se .. like the example you gave of radios and frequencies..
in fact.. i consider it a very common misconception of the phenomena , stemming exactly from the same scientific approach , which i mentioned above.
I think it has more to do with the intention of the transmitter. I've seen it blatantly happen a fair few times. It usually happens as I'm drifting off to sleep I'll catch flashes of people of someone I know telling me something then the next day that same person tells me what they told me in the flash. Its hard to put that down to coincidence because the odds are usually about a thousand to 1.
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you just browse the web for my thoughts...
but you can get pop up adds .. and viruses... - thats what the demons do
- more highly evolved cells on the cancerous prostate.. that just send info to the kidney..
and the smaller cells can stumble across it sometimes.. so they start spreading the news..
Haha yeah maybe demons are the consciousness equivalent of malicious hackers.
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both are basically what we consider extra terrestrials and im starting to look at actual angels(conscious entities residing in a higher pond than the one above us).. as the immune system.
And demons the immune system gone wrong. The phagocytes would be like the bouncers of the whole. If it was the whole there'd be very little bouncing to do though.
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i bet you didnt expect that kind of reply :P
Haha no I've never heard an analogy to physiology this comprehensive before. Thats a good one. The only way to think the unthinkable is with these kinda models. I try long and hard to think about the 4th dimension but its a mind boggler. Where do you start?
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