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 Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! 
#9147241 - 10/28/08 11:50 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Let’s be clear for all the Obamabots. Once again, these are Democrats saying this. And rather well, I might add. HillBuzz gets the goods again.
"Tonight we spoke with a friend from Hillary Clinton’s campaign who is now working for McCain/Palin — and is specifically working with Democrats for McCain in Pennsylvania. We worked with her in Texas, Indiana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania for Hillary and have spent many LONG hours with her in the trenches in all of those states. She’s smart, doesn’t BS, and never lies.
She says the same thing we do: John McCain will win Pennsylvania.
On November 4th, the news networks are going to be spinning and sputtering and playing catchup, but everything we see on the ground in PA is what we saw during the primaries: Obama has no shot of winning the Keystone State.
Here is specifically what we talked about tonight: never in any of our careers have any of us ever seen members of one party switching sides and voting for the other party as we see in this election with Democrats for McCain. There has never been anything like it. Not even the “Reagan Democrats” who voted for Reagan over Carter, for the simple fact that these “Reagan Democrats” weren’t identified and labeled until AFTER the election.
No, Democrats for McCain are real, are voting for McCain right now, and are open and organized, as well as self-identifying. Lynn Rothschild might be our poster gal, as one of the most prominent of our ranks, but it’s telling that everyone from Team Hillary that we know now works for McCain. ALL OF US. Whether they are open about it, like we are, or are working quietly behind the scenes, we can’t think of a single person we worked with on a daily basis for Hillary who is now working on behalf of Obama.
Here’s an interesting take on the unions. Big Brother thuggery sometimes gets its just reward in the privacy of the voting booth.
Union members repeatedly tell all of us that they are lying to pollsters because the unions have been polling these people — and the unions will threaten people’s jobs if they don’t tow the union line. So, the people lie when asked whom they are supporting. But, the unions can’t control who they vote for on Election Day. And that’s when things are going to get interesting.
And of course, the reason they believe McCain will win Pennsylvania comes down to two words: Reagan Democrats.
What’s happening here that’s not being reported is that “Reagan Democrats” who vote Republican whenever they feel that Democrats are out of touch, socialist, or too liberal are voting for McCain…and these people are being joined by PUMAs, DeMcCrats for McCain, Hillocrats, whatever you want to call them, who don’t like or trust Obama and who believe McCain/Palin would address the wants and needs of centrist Democrats much better than Obama ever would.
You can believe pollsters (who wrongly predicted the Obama v. Hillary contest) or you can believe the Democrats on the ground who worked with the voters and volunteers in the primary and who are with them today.
In Pennsylvania, we are not alone.
The same people who ran the board for us in the primary — who assured us daily that the polls the media was pushing were wrong in claiming Obama would beat Clinton in PA — tell us on a daily basis that McCain is going to win Pennsylvania. There’s a damn good chance this won’t even be close, if what people are seeing on the ground right now holds, and is indicative of the whole state.
DEMOCRATS are staffing McCain offices across the state. DEMOCRATS are phone banking and canvassing for McCain. DEMOCRATS are raising large sums to fund this last week of campaigning.
DEMOCRATS.
This has NEVER happened before — and the media is ignoring it. The media consistently claims that Obama enjoys the support of 85% of Democrats, versus only 80% of Republicans who supposedly are supporting McCain. We call BS on all of this — we’d say 90% of Republicans are supporting McCain, and 65-70% of Democrats are actually supporting Obama. At least that’s the case in Pennsylvania, and in Ohio too. Our mission this next week is to reach out to every Democrat we can and let them know it’s okay to vote Republican this year — because the Republican is the better choice. . . .
We do not believe Obama will carry Pittsburgh or Harrisburg in PA. He’ll win Philly, but not by the large margin he needs to take the state. You’ve heard Governor Ed Rendell is “worried” about Obama’s chances in Pennsylvania. That is an understatement. Obama will lose a state that hasn’t gone red in generations.
We have Democrats on the ground in Pennsylvania telling us this while Ed Rendell is rubbing his forehead and wondering what to do. The Racist, Redneck, Bitter Clingers, who won the state for Hillary by a margin of 10 points, are gearing up to vote for a Republican war hero to replace the disgraced Jack Murtha. And these are just the Democrats. I think Republicans get to vote in Pennsylvania too.
http://patriotroom.com/?p=3457
"Never in any of our careers have any of us ever seen members of one party switching sides and voting for the other party as we see in this election with Democrats for McCain. There has never been anything like it."
Now here comes the posts showing obama with 12-15 point leads....
But remember Obama a was up by 10 points according to the polls when Hillary won Pennsylvania!
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9147260 - 10/28/08 11:54 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9147277 - 10/28/08 12:00 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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But remember Obama a was up by 10 points according to the polls when Hillary won Pennsylvania!
And he was down many points in states he won:
Michigan:
Final Results -- -- 55.4 39.9 Clinton +15.5
RCP Average 01/06 - 01/14 -- 54.0 30.5 Clinton +23.5
South carolina:
Final Results -- -- 55.4 26.5 17.6 Obama +28.9
RCP Average 01/15 - 01/25 -- 38.4 26.8 19.2 Obama +11.6
Florida:
Poll Date Sample Clinton Obama Edwards Spread
Final Results -- -- 49.7 33.0 14.4 Clinton +16.7
RCP Average 01/22 - 01/28 -- 48.4 28.8 14.2 Clinton +19.6
Georgia:
Final Results -- -- 66.4 31.1 Obama +35.3
RCP Average 02/01 - 02/04 -- 50.3 32.3 Obama +18.0
Missouri:
Final Results -- -- 47.9 49.2 Obama +1.3
RCP Average 01/30 - 02/04 -- 47.5 41.8 Clinton +5.7
Virginia:
Final Results -- -- 63.6 35.4 Obama +28.2
RCP Average 02/06 - 02/10 -- 55.0 37.3 Obama +17.7
Wisconisn:
Final Results -- -- 58.1 40.7 Obama +17.4
RCP Average 02/08 - 02/14 -- 46.3 42.0 Obama +4.3
North Carolina:
Final Results -- -- 56.2 41.5 Obama +14.7
RCP Average 04/28 - 05/05 -- 50.0 42.0 Obama +8.0
Indiana:
Final Results -- -- 50.7 49.3 Clinton +1.4
RCP Average 05/02 - 05/05 -- 49.0 44.0 Clinton +5.0
Oregon:
Final Results -- -- 58.2 40.6 Obama +17.6
RCP Average 05/08 - 05/18 -- 52.2 40.2 Obama +12.0
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I'll tell you what, though, early voting in other states with similar demographics to PA look good for Obama in PA. I don't think there's even a chance he loses it. You have nothing to support McCain winning it.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: supernovasky]
#9147302 - 10/28/08 12:04 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I love how they talk this chick up and how she wouldn't lie, but also mention she worked against Obama in the primaries and is working for McCain against him now. Conflict of interest = she's making bullshit up to make it sound like something secret is happening on the ground, when it isn't. No group that has this Rothschild chick as their poster girl could have very many members. 
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: supernovasky]
#9147306 - 10/28/08 12:05 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Even if McCain did win Pennsylvania,
Obama only needs 14 electoral votes from battleground states to win.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9147309 - 10/28/08 12:06 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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But remember Obama a was up by 10 points according to the polls when Hillary won Pennsylvania!
Your ability to fabricate untruths out of thin air never ceases to amaze me.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html#polls
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: vampirism]
#9147329 - 10/28/08 12:12 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also,
this is a fantastic poll analysis site http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
The creator is Nate Silver, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nate_Silver who is renowned for uncannily amazing predictions from tons and tons of data.
He gained fame when he predicted primary results better than any pollsters or agencies.
His current up-to-date predictions:
Electoral Vote: Obama 351.1, 186.9
Chance to win: Obama 96.7%, McCain 3.3%
Let's dig this up in a week 
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: thedefone]
#9147330 - 10/28/08 12:12 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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thedefone said:
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But remember Obama a was up by 10 points according to the polls when Hillary won Pennsylvania!
Your ability to fabricate untruths out of thin air never ceases to amaze me.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pa/pennsylvania_democratic_primary-240.html#polls
shit you are right, my fault!
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: vampirism]
#9147334 - 10/28/08 12:14 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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vampirism said:
Even if McCain did win Pennsylvania,
Obama only needs 14 electoral votes from battleground states to win.
If McCain wins Pennsylvania its over!
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9147338 - 10/28/08 12:15 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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Even if McCain did win Pennsylvania,
Obama only needs 14 electoral votes from battleground states to win.
If McCain wins Pennsylvania its over!
Simply put; No.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9147340 - 10/28/08 12:15 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Keep on living your pipe dream.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9147353 - 10/28/08 12:18 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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We'll find out in a week!
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9147366 - 10/28/08 12:21 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
We'll find out in a week!
Yes- we will.
Check this out:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/calculator/index.html
Play with the electoral calculator ( just click on a state to decide who wins it ), you'll see that even with Pennsylvania McCain has a tough fight.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: vampirism]
#9147377 - 10/28/08 12:23 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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We'll find out in a week!
I'm still waiting for your electoral predictions.. McCain 300+ EV?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: thedefone]
#9147387 - 10/28/08 12:25 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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thedefone said:
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We'll find out in a week!
I'm still waiting for your electoral predictions.. McCain 300+ EV?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: vampirism]
#9147403 - 10/28/08 12:27 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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what i mean is that if McCain wins a state like Penn, (has not gone red in over 20 years) IMO that means its going to be a very long and bad night for Obama.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9147415 - 10/28/08 12:29 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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You could argue the same on Obama'a side with places like Virginia or Montana. Which the republicans had to recently start airing ads in thinking they are in trouble there.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9147491 - 10/28/08 12:43 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have to work on election day.  But when i get home the first thing i will look at is Virgina and Penn. if it looks like McCain is winning both i will be very happy! if McCain is just winning Virgina and not Penn i will start watching and waiting for Colorado results.
If McCain loses Virgina he's fucked...
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9147503 - 10/28/08 12:44 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I will be up at the warehouse, but will be watching it on the computer through out the day. Then I will proceed to get drunk while watching through-out the night. 
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: thedefone]
#9147755 - 10/28/08 01:43 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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We'll find out in a week!
I'm still waiting for your electoral predictions.. McCain 300+ EV?
This is like the third time I've had to explain this to you...
FL 27 McCain,
PA 21 McCain.
OH 20 McCain.
NC 15 McCain.
VA 13 McCain.
IN 11 McCain,
MO 11 McCain
CO 9 McCain
NM 5 McCain
NV 5 McCain
NH 4 McCain
234 obama 304 McCain
McCain 300+ EV!
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9148292 - 10/28/08 03:29 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I live in pa. Obama will win philly but if he does not win pittsburgh area out right pa will go to mccain. lot of these polls are only polling city areas. theres a thing called the T it goes from center pa then across the top of the state those area ar rural (red)area of the state. So if mccain gets pittsburgh or its a tie there; pa goes to mccain. Thats why obama went to pitt monday cause that city is up for grabs. pa is really 4+ for obama right now and dropping. All mccain needs is half the votes in pittsburgh and pa goes red. Also pa state sen. is rep with dem governer, or dem with rep gov when tom ridge was in there. So pa like balance.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9148318 - 10/28/08 03:36 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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So your going to believe some lady who worked for Hillary over all the polls?
Gotcha.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: deadmeat986]
#9148339 - 10/28/08 03:40 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I live in pa. Obama will win philly but if he does not win pittsburgh area out right pa will go to mccain. lot of these polls are only polling city areas. theres a thing called the T it goes from center pa then across the top of the state those area ar rural (red)area of the state. So if mccain gets pittsburgh or its a tie there; pa goes to mccain. Thats why obama went to pitt monday cause that city is up for grabs. pa is really 4+ for obama right now and dropping. All mccain needs is half the votes in pittsburgh and pa goes red. Also pa state sen. is rep with dem governer, or dem with rep gov when tom ridge was in there. So pa like balance.
RCP Average 10/20 - 10/27 -- -- 51.8 41.3 Obama +10.5
InAdv/PollPosition 10/26 - 10/26 588 LV 3.8 51 42 Obama +9
Morning Call 10/23 - 10/27 589 LV 3.8 53 41 Obama +12
Temple Univ. 10/20 - 10/26 761 LV 3.6 50 41 Obama +9
SurveyUSA 10/21 - 10/22 620 LV 4.0 53 41 Obama +12
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/pennsylvania.html
why is Obama wasting time and money in Pennsylvania?
do you personally know any Democrats that are crossing over?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: wildchild68]
#9148344 - 10/28/08 03:41 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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So your going to believe some lady who worked for Hillary over all the polls?
Gotcha.
why is obama wasting time in a state that he leads in double digits?
Gotcha....
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9148356 - 10/28/08 03:44 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why does McCain waste money in TX?
Probably because he doesn't want PA people getting pissed off at him for writing it off, like McCain did with Michigan.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9148371 - 10/28/08 03:48 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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So your going to believe some lady who worked for Hillary over all the polls?
Gotcha.
why is obama wasting time in a state that he leads in double digits?
Gotcha....
because its a pivotal state in the election and wants to play it safe 
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9148382 - 10/28/08 03:53 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Has McCain been campaigning in Texas or raising money in Texas?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9148394 - 10/28/08 03:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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No campaigning his self but other wise yes.
Presidential candidates Barack Obama and John McCain may have stopped stumping in Texas after the state's March primaries to focus on more competitive states, but the senators have counted on energized Texans to gather millions of dollars to help pay for their campaigns in those battlegrounds.
http://www.statesman.com/news/content/region/legislature/stories/10/20/1020bundlers.html
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9148399 - 10/28/08 03:57 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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couldn't tell you. I wasn't so much making as statement as a hypothesis. When was the last time Texas went blue?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: x2and2makes5]
#9148405 - 10/28/08 03:57 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thankfully its been a while.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
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<<do you personally know any Democrats that are crossing over?>> lonestar2004
Yes and know lot of dems. sorry to say this won't vote a blackman into office. obama knows center to westren pa may not vote for him cause his black.He has said it Murtha has said it. hillery won pa by 10 points and obama (had already won pa then?) that's why jack murtha & rendale wanted obama back in pa week ago cause it was close then. trust me if rendale is worried it's alot closer then people know. i say mccain will win pa by 2%.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: thedefone]
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: deadmeat986]
#9148516 - 10/28/08 04:19 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hope you're right.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9149303 - 10/28/08 06:37 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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And the best part is, if current projections hold Pennsylvania is a luxury for Barack
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9149310 - 10/28/08 06:38 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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why is obama wasting time in a state that he leads in double digits?
Because he has millions and millions of dollars.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: zouden]
#9149581 - 10/28/08 07:20 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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> Because he has millions and millions of dollars.
Thanks to all his illegal donations... 
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Seuss]
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> Because he has millions and millions of dollars.
Thanks to all his illegal donations...
I'd guess it has more to do with the legitimate ones. But God forbid that darkie get a small fraction of his funds illicitly! John McCain certainly doesn't have any dubious sources of funds
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9149788 - 10/28/08 07:49 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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+4 not luxury. if it was; obama would not be in pitt mon and having biden stop there, penn state and harrisbrug this week.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: deadmeat986]
#9149798 - 10/28/08 07:51 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well... it's not like they're going to abandon the state, any suggestion of it would be ludicrous. Lonestar would have you believe that because he's campaigning heavily in Penn that he's losing. That, of course, is another misconception. Barack could have a huge lead (he does) and he's still going to campaign there until everything is done with. You never surrender ground in a presidential election if you can help it, and Obama can certainly help it.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9149816 - 10/28/08 07:54 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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And to support my case, here are some clearly bias poll numbers from today.
PA: Insider Advantage - Obama +8
PA: Rasmussen - Obama +7
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9149862 - 10/28/08 08:03 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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his losing ground and trying to stop the bleeding. he went from 12 to 8-4 in less then a week. I dont think its a sure thing but i did say center to westren pa he had problems. thats where he's stumping at. We only have 2 cities here in pa the rest is alabama. that alabama rural areas votes rep it's called the T.If your a dem you need to win both cities if not you will lose.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9149914 - 10/28/08 08:11 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gastronomicus said:
And to support my case, here are some clearly bias poll numbers from today.
PA: Insider Advantage - Obama +8
PA: Rasmussen - Obama +7
Go left wing conspiracy! It's gonna be a tight one
WOW! Down from +13 points to 7-8 points!
The trend is my friend!
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: deadmeat986]
#9149920 - 10/28/08 08:12 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well, it's not like he can hit peak numbers and retain them. Elections move in cycles and the winner is the one with momentum at the end. He's losing points slowly in PA, but at the moment he's got the state on lock. McCain needs to get a 7 point swing in a week in order to win the state. I doubt it will happen
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: deadmeat986]
#9149925 - 10/28/08 08:12 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I did say center to westren pa he had problems. thats where he's stumping at
I saw him speak today in Chester PA (not far outside philly) and I'm pretty sure he's got that demographic locked down
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9149936 - 10/28/08 08:14 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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> ohn McCain certainly doesn't have any dubious sources of funds
Oh yes, I keep forgetting that most non-Americans want John to win rather than Barry. It is the matter of magnitude that worries me.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9149945 - 10/28/08 08:15 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wonder if you'll keep deluding yourself November 5th?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Seuss]
#9149958 - 10/28/08 08:16 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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> ohn McCain certainly doesn't have any dubious sources of funds
Oh yes, I keep forgetting that most non-Americans want John to win rather than Barry. It is the matter of magnitude that worries me.
I was mostly referring to how the Republican Party practically funded his entire campaign, whereas the American (mostly) people funded Obama's.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9150025 - 10/28/08 08:29 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wonder if you'll keep deluding yourself November 5th?
I was mostly referring to how the Republican Party practically funded his entire campaign, whereas the American (mostly) people funded Obama's.
Obama opted out of public financing despite promises not to do that. ...(another obama lie) McCain's campaign is clean.
"I wonder if you'll keep deluding yourself" your entire life?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9150182 - 10/28/08 08:56 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow, so Obama made a strategic choice that gave him more resources to work with. Definitely not commander in chief material
McCain's campaign is clean? Clean of what exactly? Lies? You must be fucking joking. What exactly do you find so appealing about Gramps McCain?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9150543 - 10/28/08 09:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Honestly i don't like much about McCain, but Sarah Palin is "appealing" to me.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9150572 - 10/28/08 10:00 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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But really, that's absolutely the worst possible reason you could ever vote for someone 
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9150582 - 10/28/08 10:02 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
Quote:
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I wonder if you'll keep deluding yourself November 5th?
I was mostly referring to how the Republican Party practically funded his entire campaign, whereas the American (mostly) people funded Obama's.
Obama opted out of public financing despite promises not to do that. ...(another obama lie) McCain's campaign is clean.
"I wonder if you'll keep deluding yourself" your entire life?
Where did Obama "promise" to do this? Looks like another republitard spin to me.
Quote:
Obama wrote: "In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."
It says I will pursue an agreement.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9150680 - 10/28/08 10:25 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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pinkfloydms said:
Quote:
lonestar2004 said:
Quote:
Gastronomicus said:
I wonder if you'll keep deluding yourself November 5th?
I was mostly referring to how the Republican Party practically funded his entire campaign, whereas the American (mostly) people funded Obama's.
Obama opted out of public financing despite promises not to do that. ...(another obama lie) McCain's campaign is clean.
"I wonder if you'll keep deluding yourself" your entire life?
Where did Obama "promise" to do this? Looks like another republitard spin to me.
Quote:
Obama wrote: "In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (R-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."
It says I will pursue an agreement.
.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/19/obama_opts_out_of_public_finan.html
Spin this video however you like Democrat Tard...
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9150771 - 10/28/08 10:42 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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How would you spin that? He said they were opting out of taking public financing. This shit is so old.
I was pointing out that your said he "promised" to accept public funding. Which he never did.
Also I didn't call you a repubitard. I said that this was a republitard spin, and it has been. It's simply not true.
And once again I'm not democrat. I would prolly be a republican if they actually did shit they claimed they are for.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: pinkfloydms]
#9150844 - 10/28/08 10:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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your right! it is old and it has nothing to do with Pennsylvania.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9150870 - 10/28/08 10:58 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Which by the way Obama's gonna win 
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9150933 - 10/28/08 11:08 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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what bush states do you feel very confident right now that Obama will take next week?
Iowa?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9151001 - 10/28/08 11:21 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, and probably Virginia.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: thedefone]
#9151099 - 10/28/08 11:36 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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mccain wont win pencilvania..but he doesnt have to...if he just keeps the bush states he still has a buffer of 17 electoral votes...
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
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what bush states do you feel very confident right now that Obama will take next week?
Iowa?
Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, and Florida.
Probably not all of these, but these are the Bush states that Obama will get his win out of. Also, I find it hilarious that you think Pennsylvania, a blue state in 2000 and 2004 will go red
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Annapurna1]
#9151335 - 10/29/08 12:19 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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mccain wont win pencilvania..
you been hanging out with Sarah McPalin?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9155218 - 10/29/08 07:07 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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The real question is, will McCain win Transylvania?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: twighead]
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9163443 - 10/31/08 11:12 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
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what bush states do you feel very confident right now that Obama will take next week?
Iowa?
Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, and Florida.
Probably not all of these, but these are the Bush states that Obama will get his win out of. Also, I find it hilarious that you think Pennsylvania, a blue state in 2000 and 2004 will go red
Penn has been a blue state for about 2 decades!
"Nevada, Ohio, Indiana, and Florida." IMO McCain already has them.
It all comes down to Virgina! IMO the winner of Virgina wins the election.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9163520 - 10/31/08 11:32 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you need to review the electoral college numbers. Even if McCain takes Nevada, Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, Florida, and Virginia (which seems pretty damned unlikely), he still loses the election: Obama 273 / McCain 265.
And frankly it doesn't look like it's going to be anywhere near that close.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Entropymancer]
#9163608 - 10/31/08 11:55 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I think you need to review the electoral college numbers. Even if McCain takes Nevada, Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, Florida, and Virginia (which seems pretty damned unlikely), he still loses the election: Obama 273 / McCain 265.
And frankly it doesn't look like it's going to be anywhere near that close.
and I think you need to review the electoral college numbers,
"Nevada, Ohio, Indiana, Missouri, Florida, and Virginia!"
If McCain keeps all those Bush states he wins. Period!
If Obama only takes Colorado, New Mexico and Iowa (bush states) its still not enough....
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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"
We have "reckless fiscal policies"
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better
Barack Obama
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9163649 - 10/31/08 12:08 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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"Nevada, Ohio, Indiana, and Florida." IMO McCain already has them.
You do realize that McCain is trailing in the polls in all of these states, right?
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Redstorm]
#9163660 - 10/31/08 12:10 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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you do realize that I am not a big fan of the Fake Polls....
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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"
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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9163671 - 10/31/08 12:13 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I do know of that dislike, along with your dislike gaining any knowledge of survey methodology and explaining to us why they're fake.
PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: SAYING THEY'RE FAKE DOES NOT MAKE THEM FAKE
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Redstorm]
#9163722 - 10/31/08 12:24 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bullshit! ..............
Here is another example.
Some polls have the state of Georgia in play!
Georgia!
So is Obama working that state of Georgia like McCain is working Pennsylvania?
Nope!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama is a the state of Iowa today....
Iowa????
some of the FAKE POLLS have him up 16 Points in Iowa! Why the hell is in Iowa?
You can believe and trust the fake polls Redstorm, not me.
I watch where the candidates go, and not the fake polls.
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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9163809 - 10/31/08 12:45 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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And amazingly (note the sarcasm) you continue to ignore my requests for you to explain why the are fake. I realize that you have no explanations or proof, and that it is based on blind delusion. I think it would be healthy if you just admitted that.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Redstorm]
#9163820 - 10/31/08 12:47 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Also, you are being disingenuous by attributing things I do not believe to me. I do not believe all polls, just the well done ones like Rasmussen (which by the way, has McCain up by 6% in Georgia and Obama up by 8% in Iowa).
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Redstorm]
#9163829 - 10/31/08 12:49 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have you just chose to ignore them.....(BTW thats very unhealthy)
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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"
We have "reckless fiscal policies"
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.
Americans deserve better
Barack Obama
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9163832 - 10/31/08 12:50 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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No you haven't.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Redstorm]
#9163845 - 10/31/08 12:54 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Some polls have the state of Georgia in play!
Georgia!
So is Obama working that state of Georgia like McCain is working Pennsylvania?
Nope!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama is a the state of Iowa today....
Obama is one person, he can't be everywhere. Even if he was WINNING in Georgia, its smarter to play it safe and focus on the turnout in the states that guarentee you a victory if you win them.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9163850 - 10/31/08 12:55 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm also very curious what makes these polls fake. Lonestar, are you suggesting that all polls, even those done by conservative-leaning groups (like FoxNews, among others), are all in on the liberal conspiracy to make it appear that Obama is dominating McCain at the state level where it matters most?
Their polling methodologies are a matter of public record. If you feel that they're not accurately reflecting the situation, I'd like to see your critique of their methods.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Redstorm]
#9163855 - 10/31/08 12:56 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Redstorm said:
No you haven't.
yes i have, one example is that I have been bitching about the Polls oversampling Democrats for months now!
and i might have been wrong about the example....
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Americans deserve better
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9163872 - 10/31/08 12:59 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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My bad, I was wrong. I do remember that. I'm not sure that makes it fake, though, considering the Democratic turnout is higher this year than Republican.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Redstorm]
#9163889 - 10/31/08 01:02 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Obama is campaigning in Georgia, by the way, along with Montana and Arizona, according to a press release just now:
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Obama's campaign, capitalizing on his vast financial resources and a favorable political climate, announced that it was going back up with advertising in Georgia and North Dakota, two GOP states that it had teased with ads earlier in the general election campaign but then abandoned.
In what could be a final ignominy for McCain, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said the campaign would also begin airing ads in Arizona, a state McCain has represented in Congress for 26 years. Plouffe said the race has tightened in Arizona, Georgia and North Dakota. A recent poll from McCain's home state showed the two candidates in a statistical dead heat.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/31/obama-ads-in-gop-turf-mcc_n_139673.html
Guess Obama sees something in the internals.
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: lonestar2004]
#9165713 - 10/31/08 08:26 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
Some polls have the state of Georgia in play!
Georgia!
this state was stupid enough to vote for carter, but that's
because he was from here, georgians were also dumb enough to
vote clinton once...
I still havent seen an obama supporter
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Redstorm]
#9165723 - 10/31/08 08:31 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Redstorm said:
My bad, I was wrong. I do remember that. I'm not sure that makes it fake, though, considering the Democratic turnout is higher this year than Republican.
I believe that's just what we're shown, most republicans will
wait, it gives the loonies false hope, same as their messiah is
giving them
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Re: Obama Has No Shot of Winning the Keystone State! [Re: Prisoner#1]
#9165773 - 10/31/08 08:43 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Polls are bullshit/fake/wrong.....however you choose to say it. They are fart gasses in the wind and cannot be relied upon.
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/07/more-erroneous-exit-polls.html
More Erroneous Exit Polls
I posted a couple months ago about how every single time anyone releases a North Carolina poll they get grief for under representing the black vote. That's because the 2004 exit poll said the voting population in North Carolina was 26% black. According to the State Board of Elections it was actually only 18.5%.
Yesterday when we released our South Carolina poll I heard from several people again that they thought we were under representing the black vote at 29%. The 2004 exit poll said 30%, and many think Obama at the top of the ticket will equate to a 10% increase in black turnout which would put it at 33% for this year.
Unfortunately the 2004 South Carolina exit poll was wrong too. According to the official data from the South Carolina Election Commission, 73% of voters were white in the 2004 general election and 27% were non white. That's a sharp strong contrast to the exit poll that said just 67% of voters were white with 30% black and 3% other races.
Race is not the only thing the 2004 exit polls got wrong in South Carolina. The exit poll also stated that just 11% of those voting in the election were over the age of 65. Based on the actual data the electorate was actually 19% over the age of 65.
Given the over representation of African Americans and the under representation of senior citizens in South Carolina, using the 2004 exit polls as a guide is a pretty risky proposition for pollsters since each of those errors would inflate Barack Obama's numbers.
We've only compared the real demographic data to the exit polls in two states- North Carolina and South Carolina. Those were both highly erroneous. Can the 2004 exit polls be trusted anywhere? I hope someone with more time than me will see what sorts of problems there were in other states as well.
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