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 Jorkest
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 Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies  [Re: bspolan]
#9127591 - 10/24/08 05:39 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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its only dangerous if you dont take them seriously...
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bspolan
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 Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: krypto2000]
#9127830 - 10/24/08 06:22 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said:
They certainly have the potential to be very mentally unhealthy, I just think it's somewhat rare that it happens, specially if used responsibly.
That's it! I completely 100% agree with you there. They CAN BE, but if used responsibly and in moderation, they can lead to a mind awakening experience. Great times..
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Ozzy_shroomer
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: bspolan]
#9128040 - 10/24/08 06:59 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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bspolan you really worry me personally i think a lot of what you saying is rubbish sorry but poisoning the bairn with mushrooms, come on man fungus has some of the most beatifically properties to human body out of any plant
1. cancer preventing,
2. pain relief,
3. opening the mind out side the box,
i really feel you need to explore life as you put it. More before you put your opinions on every one here sure it's not healthy every week can't be good on the kidneys or liver but the same can be said for mac Donald's, star-bucks and so on.
and back to the topic once every two weeks seems to work well for me 3g's always seems like 3g's after a brake
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krypto2000
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: Ozzy_shroomer]
#9128274 - 10/24/08 07:57 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do you have a source for this cancer prevention and pain relief? As far as pain relief I know of cluster headaches, but that's it. Cancer is definitely news to me though.
I strongly support the belief that they can help the user heal psychological problems, but I've yet to come to the conclusion that anyone but the one taking them can help in getting that relief. You certainly can't just take em and hope to be cured.
And in defense of bspolan his meaning for poison obviously differs from most peoples on this board (perhaps most people period), but he's made it clear enough what he means by that. No need to argue over word choice here, it's the point one brings to the conversation that matters, not their method of delivery.
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: krypto2000]
#9128350 - 10/24/08 08:15 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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krypto2000 said:
And in defense of bspolan his meaning for poison obviously differs from most peoples on this board (perhaps most people period), but he's made it clear enough what he means by that. No need to argue over word choice here.
That's debatable. By his definition, things like carbohydrates, sodium, and potassium are all also poisons. That means consuming food on a daily basis is "poisoning your brain" according to his definitions.
So definitions DO matter. I'm going to have a hard time taking someone seriously when their argument implies that I'm poisoning myself by eating on a daily basis, regardless of whether I'm eating healthy or crafing down fast food.
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Ozzy_shroomer
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: krypto2000]
#9128353 - 10/24/08 08:15 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry to say but no where in my statement did i say magic mushrooms offer cancel prevention but there are fungus out their that do.
as far as pain relief i suffer everyday from the worst pain in my back i have a pinched nerve that really gives it to me take a even a 2gm and it's gone for 12-24 hours and a lot of other people on here will second that.
i was trying to say with the poison side as a couple of other have everything is poison yes even water the one thing we need to live. but why come to a drug board especially one about mushrooms sorry just seems strange but every one has the own opinions and ideas
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Ozzy_shroomer
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: Ozzy_shroomer]
#9128362 - 10/24/08 08:17 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Entropymancer -
So definitions DO matter. I'm going to have a hard time taking someone seriously when their argument implies that I'm poisoning myself by eating on a daily basis, regardless of whether I'm eating healthy or crafing down fast food.
Thats what i am trying to say though i'm usless with words and writting full stop but thats what getting to me also
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bspolan
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: Ozzy_shroomer]
#9128569 - 10/24/08 09:02 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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PEACE AND LOVE!
We all have our own opinions and beliefs, this discussion is never ending. Food is not poison, its neccessary for life.
But anyways, you all have great things to say, thanks for sharing your ideas with me!
I will exlpore and expand my knowledge further in the aspect of psilocybin..
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phaseflux
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: bspolan]
#9128679 - 10/24/08 09:29 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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bspolan said:
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Jorkest said:
so just because you love your reality so much...means that there arent other realities?
Are you even reading what I'm typing? If so you arent comprehending it correctly.
I LOVE MY LIFE. It is amazing what we can do, what our brains can do. Other realities? of course not. This is life, you and I. It's a reality of itself.
I just wanted to start off that I'm not here to bash you, so don't take it the wrong way, but I have to strongly disagree with your statement about other realities not existing. I don't think there is 1 reality that everyone lives in together. Everyones lives and experiences are very different, which I believe causes them to perceive the world around them much differently. Also, different (NATURAL) brain chemistries among individuals also probably differ enough to cause everyone to have a different level of perception. For example, someone's brain could produce more serotonin, etc. Lunatics also perceive a different reality, and this is due to brain chemistry.
Not to mention when you go to different countries or cultures those individuals also have a very different view of the world and their lives.
I believe that there is a wide spectrum of individual perception. Would you say that the corporate business man and the buddhist monk have the same perception and live in the same "reality". I wouldn't say so. The corporate business man probably sees reality as being about money, deals, and potentials for increasing self-wealth.
The buddhist monk probably sees the world as being much more spiritual.
It's all a matter of perception. Sure a lot of us share very similar perceptions of reality, but I think they are no where near the same reality.
Also, string theory (although it is just a theory) suggests that we live in a 11 dimensional universe. Human beings can only perceive 3 dimensions of Length, width, and heigth. Thats about 8 dimensions we can't perceive because our senses and brains are incapable of it. Can you really say that the 3 dimensional world we perceive is the ONLY reality? The actual universe and things around us probably look much different than what we are perceiving to be like.
One other thing is beliefs. A lot of people hold different beliefs about the creation of the world, or the purpose of their lives. Obviously not everyone has the same beliefs. This also has an impact on how they view reality.
When you take shrooms or a similar substance, I don't think of it as poisoning your brain. I think of it more as adjusting your brain chemistry, and thus achieving a different state of awareness/perception. However, this isn't only accomplishable by the consumption of mind altering substances. Meditation for example, I remember reading somewhere that people who endure long meditation are increasing the levels of serotonin in their brains thus causing them to have visions and a spiritual feeling.
Anyways, sorry to go off topic to the original post, just wanted to throw in my 2 cents about there being a wide spectrum of "reality" instead of just 1 common reality.
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krypto2000
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: phaseflux]
#9130738 - 10/25/08 09:33 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I totally agree with you phaseflux, well said. That's exactly how I view the world. I believe every single individual has their own reality, I'd even go so far as to say the reality of the person who was me yesterday is a different reality than the reality of the person typing this right now.
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: krypto2000]
#9131064 - 10/25/08 11:55 AM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is getting into a philosophical debate now, but I'm not sure how the perception of something changes the reality of that thing. What I mean is that just because people perceive of "different" realities does not mean that they actually exist, it is possible that there is a singular reality that we are all just perceiving from different angles based on our different values and views, which would then lead to the conclusion that there is some way for someone to have a "clearer" view of this true reality. What my point is, I'm not sure, but I think you can understand what I'm getting at.
As for the whole "poisoning the mind" thing, I thing this is a statement that should not be left to the "agree to disagree" category.
It's a fallacy that is perpetuated by a misunderstanding of the true properties of the substance, and it only serves to instill fear of a perfectly harmless and arguably beneficial experience in those who have little to no knowledge of the drug. Certainly, it can have detrimental effects if used improperly, as can all substances in existent, as has been illustrated above.
To beat a dead horse, the lethal dosage of psilocin is almost double that of caffeine. By your reasoning, caffeine is twice as poison as psilocin, a substance consumed on a daily basis by the majority of the population. Not poison, please stop saying it is.
(sorry for the rant, but it's a common myth that really annoys me)
Edited by juju (10/25/08 11:59 AM)
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bspolan
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: juju]
#9131233 - 10/25/08 01:00 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright, I see clearer now. I understand I used the wrong definition, in my calling psilocybin a poison, it's drug, more specifically a chemical. And as for others perceiving their own reality, right on! That's definitely what I believe as well, as for that reality actually existing for others, and not just a state of mind? still questionable..but I agree with you. You can create your own personal reality? if that makes sense to you.
I thought this was interesting, <http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/psilocybin/psilocybinh.htm>
It shows the resemblance of the Serotonin and the Psilocybin molecules.
Interesting stuff!
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Re: how to bring down your immunity to mushies [Re: bspolan]
#9131243 - 10/25/08 01:04 PM (4 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't really see how you can (or why you would) abuse mushrooms by taking them twice a week.
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