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 What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) 
#9071955 - 10/13/08 06:57 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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First of all, hi! Ive been a visitor at this site for a couple of years now, great place to find information about psychedelics and mushroom cultivation! Thanks for a great site!
Now to the question at hand. A couple of weeks ago, these new acid blotters appeared in my hometown. After trying them out, i could tell there was something wierd with them. First of all, they tasted wierd. Not "wierd" like some blotters do (chemical taste of the coloring agents) but an unusual taste, kindof like lip balm or body lotion. But that was not the only thing wierd about these blotters. It took unusualy long time for them to give full effect (~2h), and the effect was not really like the LSD ive tried before (at least 5-10 different blotters). Not visual/audial at all, much more "mindfuck", and and overall differece to my other LSD experiences. At first i thought it was because of my "set and setting", but then i started hearing from other people that they also got different experiences and that they also thought something was not right about this batch.
I have now got my hands on a picture of the backside of the blotter, which contains a print of a chemical diagram of a substance. The substance is not LSD (from what i can tell, atleast). I am searching for the name of this substance, so i thought maybe someone here could help me out.
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 Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: WahR]
#9071983 - 10/13/08 07:04 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's cause it is not acid. It is a DO{x} chemical. I'm not sure which one, if you give me a couple minutes i'll have my friend look at it and tell me. Oh and are these running acid prices? 10$ a hit or what'?
Edit: At second look i might be wrong just give me a minute to find out.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: SirSmokesAlot]
#9072013 - 10/13/08 07:12 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
SirSmokesAlot said:
That's cause it is not acid. It is a DO{x} chemical. I'm not sure which one, if you give me a couple minutes i'll have my friend look at it and tell me. Oh and are these running acid prices? 10$ a hit or what'?
Edit: At second look i might be wrong just give me a minute to find out.
Yea, i've heard that theory from other sources (that the blotters are containing DO*). However, the duration of the effect is not more than maybe 4-5 hours. From what i heard, DO* chemicals have a much longer duration. The prices for these hits are about the same as other hits.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: WahR]
#9072086 - 10/13/08 07:28 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks like LSD, but whoever made the graphic didn't know how to draw an amide properly; the O in Et2NCO should be double-bonded to the carbon, not attached to the ring system (the carbon should be attached to the ring system)
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: SirSmokesAlot]
#9072089 - 10/13/08 07:28 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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And no, that's not a DOX SirSmokes; if it were it'd look like an amphetamine, not like lysergic acid.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: Entropymancer]
#9072113 - 10/13/08 07:32 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Entropymancer said:
Looks like LSD, but whoever made the graphic didn't know how to draw an amide properly; the O in Et2NCO should be double-bonded to the carbon, not attached to the ring system (the carbon should be attached to the ring system)
It's some kind of ergotamide. Thats no DOx and it's no phenethylamine.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: awesomebastard]
#9072126 - 10/13/08 07:34 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not actually a real chemical as it's drawn, the valence of the C in the Et2NCO- is not satisfied. It's a fictitious lysergic ether that's trying to be LSD.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: Entropymancer]
#9072367 - 10/13/08 08:18 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yes i realised it was not amphetamine that is why i edited my post. As for what it really is, apparently nothing. So i do not know what is actually on the blot.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: Entropymancer]
#9072386 - 10/13/08 08:22 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not to mention the methyl group tacked on to the top nitrogen. That's not supposed to be there, is it?
I looked at the molecule from bottom to top.. thinking "looks good.. looks good... wtf?"
Any analogues of LSD with a similar structure to this?
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: SirSmokesAlot]
#9072438 - 10/13/08 08:35 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Most likely LSD or ALD-52 although I doubt that.
More than likely the person who did the graphic just made a mistake like entropymancer said.
Youll be fine.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: Orbital_Saucer]
#9072487 - 10/13/08 08:46 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Orbital_Saucer said:
Not to mention the methyl group tacked on to the top nitrogen. That's not supposed to be there, is it?
Yes, it is:
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Any analogues of LSD with a similar structure to this?
No; it's clearly supposed to be LSD, not an analogue.
It's most definitely not supposed to be ALD-52; that would have an acetyl group hanging off the indole nitrogen.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: Entropymancer]
#9074136 - 10/14/08 01:51 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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That looks like the back of the hoffmann originals. Don't worry, I think they are LSD.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: the free thinker]
#9074717 - 10/14/08 06:49 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys, that picture is of LSD. There isnt even a mistake. It is just a different way of writing the chemical.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: the free thinker]
#9074818 - 10/14/08 08:01 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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the free thinker said:
That looks like the back of the hoffmann originals. Don't worry, I think they are LSD.
Yes, it's the Hofmann Orginals. Another theory is that the LSD is badly synthesized, resulting in impurities that changes the effect of the hits.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: WahR]
#9075095 - 10/14/08 10:45 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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all the acid ive ever taken seemed the same to me but plenty of people would describe them and talk about them in ways like 'oh that stuff was really visual' or 'physical' or 'not very sensory'.
I think that the hits were probably just weak.
The chance that an impurity would form in the synthesis that was in high enough doses to give everyone a characteristically different trip to LSD is incredibly small. though not impossible i guess
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: Noteworthy]
#9075205 - 10/14/08 11:25 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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This hofmann batch that speaks of an original stamping on it sounds interesting.
Heard some say they are definately not lsd,
heard others say they are 250 Ug.
Whateever.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: Noteworthy]
#9075414 - 10/14/08 12:33 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Noteworthy said:
There isnt even a mistake. It is just a different way of writing the chemical.
I has a bond drawn from the ring system to the oxygen of the amide. Isn't that a mistake? Or is that actually a legitimate way to draw an amide?
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: Entropymancer]
#9075468 - 10/14/08 12:49 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its Et(2)N--CO--lysergic.
since there are no bonds drawn between the N and C and O, you can assume that the bond that joins the lysergic compound to the Et2NCO compound is not necessarily connecting to the letter which it is nearest.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: Noteworthy]
#9077025 - 10/14/08 06:56 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Right, but I'd have written that Et2NOC-.... I thought convention dictated that you organize the letters such that the directly bonded atoms are connected by the line.
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Re: What substance is this? (Molecule diagram on LSD blotter, not LSD) [Re: Entropymancer]
#9077696 - 10/14/08 08:51 PM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Are you suggesting that the N is directly connected to the O?
I believe you will find that the Et are only conencted to the N, the N is only connected to the Et and C, and the C is only connected to the N and O.
thus, Et(2)-N-C-O
the only difference is that this compound itself connects to the lysergic by the C, but I dont think that is important to state because the C is the only Atom in that string that could have an extra bond to share, given that there is only one bond free in that compound (indicated by the one line connecting it to lysergic)
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