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Within a month, more people were playing Soldier Of Fortune 2 (2002!) online than the retail copy of Doom 3, or Quake 4, or Crysis. To this day there are more servers and players for SOF2 (which is itself a CounterStrike clone) than Crysis Wars, the multiplayer re-release of Crysis which Croteam punted out after 85% of their "fans" pirated the game to see if it would even run on their fucking system. That's pretty fucking "hardcore" right there!
Quote: Starcraft II Diablo 3 Stalker Clear Sky + mods Stalker 2 Empire Total War Sins of Solar Empire
Croteam is porting the new Crysis game to the 360 & PS3 due to rampant piracy, AVP & Colonial Marines are both coming out on the major consoles, Oblivion & Fallout are on 360 along with all DLC. Your list is basically composed of in development Blizzard sequel titles, which I already mentioned, and 3 year old sleeper hits like Stalker, Neverwinter Nights & Sins
Quote: Shroomism said: The most hardcore gamers are all PC games. Look at a pretty much any competitive gaming event, do you see a bunch of consoles? No.. it's PCs.
lolwut? that statement was accurate a decade ago when Playstation was raking in the bucks, times have changed.
Quote: TheThinWizard said: The keyboard and mice combo is superior to a control pad for 90% of all games. FACT!
So many disagree with that, but they are wrong.
Also, if I have a keyboard, in fallout 3 I can bring down the console and type "setgs.fmoverunmult 8" and enjoy not running at a snails pace even in hellfire armour.
If they had just put a car or buggy or bike in fallout 3 this would be moot. Or a personal vertibird/jetpack built from hacked mr handys, but they dont, and the wasteland is ugly. I want to get to the caves quickly!
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what exactly is your point? i already knew alot of those games were already on consoles, which is why alot of them had +mods next to them. i really don't even think you realize what my points were, your just looking for something to attack while completely ignoring the entire context it was written in.
sleeper hits? wtf are you talking about im sure you havn't played half the games i listed...
and i don't even see how piracy has anything to do with this discussion at all....let me guess you got confused about what a cheater is?
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i don't even see how piracy has anything to do with this discussion at all
Then you have very little understanding of how an economy works. Companies that fail to make money because 75% of their target market downloads the product for free, won't make that product for long.
On the other hand, console sales are strong because it's much, much harder to pirate the games.
So, should I invest my money into developing a PC game that people will steal or a console game people will buy?
yes but i have no idea where the fuck your point came from, what were you responding too? you came out and mentioned video stores and i just laughed and then boom you talk about pirates.
anyways my response is that duh they don't rent pc games because they have to be installed. plus im pretty sure its illegal for video stores to rent them out per the user agreements with the games or something like that.
the only reason consoles have more sales is because they are so cheap and idiot proof, and that huge collection is mostly comprized of barney games
piracy is a problem but its not nearly as huge as they make it out to be, bad games and bad economy are the biggest reasons. they just want an excape goat, and for insurence reasons.
and the xbox 360, as well as the xbox, and ps1, ps2, have all proved how extremely easy it is to pirate. just because you never bothered to find out how doesn't mean its hard....it only proves the market your in, a market for casual gamers and idiot proof games with auto aim
the biggest reason developers love the consoles so much is because its so great at Limiting what people can do. it opened the door to DLC and the ass raping of gamers because stupid little kids have to have 20 costumes for there characters at $1.99 a piece.
piracy isn't ruining games, stupid casual gaming kids are....consoles and microsoft are.
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We play on earth to pass the time
Over-population the root of all Evil-brings the Elites Closer to the gates.
One other thing I'd like to add to the topic of Piracy...
If developers made good multiplayer aspects of a game, there would be less pirating of that game.
It's very easy to pirate a single player only game, but if the developers make a kick-ass multiplayer part to the game, people are going to have to buy it to play the multiplayer... as pirated multiplayer games (like CoD and L4D for example) usually have a severe lack of people playing (as they have to play on pirated servers, which are fewer in numbers and usually slower), and other issues.
Consoles are so bunk, but to each their own. If you enjoy playing on what equates to a watered-down, dumbed down PC, at the same price of an actual PC, have at it.
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PC games are very hard to find in stores, i'll give you that. the little places like gamestop and circuit city don't even carry them around here. the only place i know that has them is best buy.
however...i think everyone can agree that digital downloads are the way of the future for most gamers, and in this regard, PC's blow consoles out of the water. steam and direct2drive offer legal game downloads on demand with the press of a button, and due to their success, many large gaming companies are starting to launch their own download services.
Yeah I don't know much about pirating PC games. I've pretty much purchased 99% of the games I've ever owned. Pirating software.. hell yeah. But games no. Most new PC games require a one time only unique activation code and/or a monthly fee for something anyway. There's no pirating that unless you want to play on shitty private servers or something.
All the PC games in the past 15 or so years.. I've purchased.. from Myst to Ultima Online to Starcraft to fking Wow. Steam is amazing and has tons of games you can purchase and download direct through them. Counterstrike was(is?) easily the most played FPS game ever. WoW has something like 12 million subscribers, all paying ~15$ a month, not to even mention the 60+ for the games. None of these companies are going bankrupt anytime soon. They are raking in the bucks, and they are going to continue pumping out new releases.
Did I mention I can use emulators on my PC, and play pretty much any console game via roms? Can even hook up a specific controllers if you want to emulate it hardcore. I just don't see where console games have ANY advantage over a PC.
You are basically paying the same price for something half as good with half as many features, and zero to little options for future upgrades and compatibility for future games and releases. So your PS3 runs the latest whatever game out now, and my PC can too.. then a new system comes out and new games come out for that, and you need to buy a completely new system to run those games... whereas my PC that still has twice the processing power and video graphics, can run the new game flawlessly. And then when the next system comes out, I might have to upgrade my video card by then, and you'll have to pay $800 for the PS5.
Although I fucking grew up on Atari, Nintendo and Sega and I loved consoles, PCs are the way of the future
Crysis suks shit as a game, there are so many other FPS shooters that kick Crysis ass, the graphics on this game are so bad you need a high rig PC to run it, & it still doesnt run smoothleyyyyyy, Crysis game engine dont work, its 1 of the worst game engines, & gearboxes I have ever played
Sorry but the game fucking suks, & there are 100s of other WW FPs out there dont waste your time even looking at Crysis, or any Valve games
As for piracy, you fuckwits with consoles, only say that because you dont know how to Download a game for your console
Remember back to chipping your PSP 1 or 2
LMFAO get a life dudes
PC games rule, & a good game with a good engine, & gearbox will last for years
PS consolers your games die very quickly
Quote Counterstrike was(is?) easily the most played FPS game ever. WoW has something like 12 million subscribers, all paying ~15$ a month, not to even mention the 60+ for the games.
Avp2 (2001 game of the year) The Master server was closed down November 1st 2008 www.lithfaq.com bootlegged the Master server 2 hours after it was shut down
It cost you nothing to Download the game, or play
Counterstrike suks ass, same as Halo says its the best, Cryisis, half life, Quake
Get off my nuts, I've never even played Crysis.. I was just using it as a reference since people seemed to use it for benchmarking purposes.
But yeah, I retract my previous statement of building a super high end gaming PC for 3k.. I basically put one together with TOP of the line parts for about 2k. (EVGA x58 mobo, i7 920 @ 2.6Ghz overclocked to 3.8.. 6GB OCZ Platinum DDR3 ram, 3TB hard drive space, EVGA GTX 280 GPU, 1,000watt PC Power and Cooling PSU, etc)
You could build one right now with slightly cheaper parts for about $800 that would run any game out right now at high settings.
im pretty surprized you think crysis sucks yet you like avp, crysis is the exact same thing minus the alien race. the main character might as well be the preditor. the physic's are insane. and crysis runs just fine unless your trying to max it out, crysis was made to push the limits and thats what it does. it was one of those games made to play on future hardware, and its just as playable as any other game on my 4890 unless i jack the rez up
whats a gearbox tho?
-------------------- We were sent to hell for eternity Øh®
We play on earth to pass the time
Over-population the root of all Evil-brings the Elites Closer to the gates.
Quote: makaveli8x8 said: what exactly is your point? i already knew alot of those games were already on consoles, which is why alot of them had +mods next to them.
Of course you don't understand my point, you've made it clear that you are fairly confused from the outset.
Quote: i really don't even think you realize what my points were, your just looking for something to attack while completely ignoring the entire context it was written in.
Just as you completely ignored the fact that the golden days for the mod scenes are long gone, and this isn't 1998 any more? Oh wait...
You've already betrayed your position, unlike you I am not in a state of agitation about this discussion. Having been on both sides of the fence, I have my preferences for features from both platforms, but I have no interest in "attacking" anyone who prefers to enjoy one over the other.
Quote: sleeper hits? wtf are you talking about im sure you havn't played half the games i listed...
Great, you're fucking wrong, I've played them all and was a huge Baldur's Gate/NWN/Bioware fan in general. I'm not going to sit here and argue with someone who is "sure" I haven't done something, are you fucking clairvoyant? I'm sorry you can't understand how the terminology relates to games, but word of mouth and positive encouragement from hardcore RPG/RTS/FPS players are the only reasons those games sold worth a damn.
Whatever you want to call it, those games did not move the units that Halo moved. They did not move the units that COD/Modern Warfare moves, or WOW, or any other piece of software. That is one of the points you missed.
Quote: and i don't even see how piracy has anything to do with this discussion at all....let me guess you got confused about what a cheater is?
You don't understand a lot of things, that doesn't mean it's our job to educate you.
Quote: piracy is a problem but its not nearly as huge as they make it out to be, bad games and bad economy are the biggest reasons. they just want an excape goat, and for insurence reasons.
well it only took you 3 days for a response, and the response provided shows your not even here for a discussion but rather to troll.
clearly your butthurt as your the first one to start throwing swings at people personally.
so if you have a point make it, don't be a 2year old about it, if you wanna jerk off head to otd. i asked what your point was, clearly you don't even know since your dodging all the questions.
and when did you mention the modding scene was dead...you know for me to supposedly ignore it? maybe you just died from the modding scene ever think of that? because there's still a shitload of mods all over the place....
so am i allowed to ask you to prove your statement? or are you just going to run into the corner and hide? i myself mentioned consoles are ruining pc gaming, i agree its not exactly in its limelight....but there is sure as shit a ton of mods out there. like i said you didn't even read my posts.
and i never attacked nobody how about a quote, i even mentioned how the consoles had some gems of games.
just because a game doesn't sell as good as HALO doesn't mean the game isn't a better experience. Halo was designed for everyone...but mostly the crowd of kids that arn't allowed to play real shooters. alot of Christan's for example.
i mean if your going to compare games...you could at least pick the same dam genera wtf...but the numbers will clearly always be higher on consoles because consoles are built for lazy and cheap people who need the geek squad to install an 360.
the fact that you don't see how pc gaming is better is all the proof i need that you havn't played very many of them keep enjoying bill gates cock, because your only going to be seeing more and more of it
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We play on earth to pass the time
Over-population the root of all Evil-brings the Elites Closer to the gates.
This is a forum where people are aloud to have their own opinions, That is what makes a Forum, & for some reason, you ATTACK people for that
Fuck me you even attack christians, is there anyone you dont pesonaly ATTACK
All I have read is about YOU, & how little you know about Gaming, weather it be PC or Console
So what if it takes 3 days for that person to reply to a message, you are the 1 trolling the Boards
Ok MR Kung Foo modder give us 1 mod, skin or map you have made for any game
I will wait for this reply
No wonder after 9000 post you are still lonely
Quote: makaveli8x8 said: well it only took you 3 days for a response, and the response provided shows your not even here for a discussion but rather to troll.
clearly your butthurt as your the first one to start throwing swings at people personally.
so if you have a point make it, don't be a 2year old about it, if you wanna jerk off head to otd. i asked what your point was, clearly you don't even know since your dodging all the questions.
and when did you mention the modding scene was dead...you know for me to supposedly ignore it? maybe you just died from the modding scene ever think of that? because there's still a shitload of mods all over the place....
so am i allowed to ask you to prove your statement? or are you just going to run into the corner and hide? i myself mentioned consoles are ruining pc gaming, i agree its not exactly in its limelight....but there is sure as shit a ton of mods out there. like i said you didn't even read my posts.
and i never attacked nobody how about a quote, i even mentioned how the consoles had some gems of games.
just because a game doesn't sell as good as HALO doesn't mean the game isn't a better experience. Halo was designed for everyone...but mostly the crowd of kids that arn't allowed to play real shooters. alot of Christan's for example.
i mean if your going to compare games...you could at least pick the same dam genera wtf...but the numbers will clearly always be higher on consoles because consoles are built for lazy and cheap people who need the geek squad to install an 360.
the fact that you don't see how pc gaming is better is all the proof i need that you havn't played very many of them keep enjoying bill gates cock, because your only going to be seeing more and more of it
Once PC gaming is dead, I am done with games. FUCK CONSOLES.
it isnt going anywhere, while i do understand that overpaystation and shaftbox in the past used to port over shit without changing things for the better with pc, that was more during the ps2 days.
pc games almost always have better versions, and for example serious sam was ported to shaftbox with a different style, but the modders basically made a mod to play it x box style.
i remember max payne for ps2 was absolute shit and came out way later, but nowadays things are simultaneously released and the exclusive games for consoles almost always suck shaft. they seem to end up being ported over to pc later anyway as a better version, can you say halo?
i dont see it going anywhere, cool your jets. if anything the fact that these consoles are basically proprietary computers means they are building them for computer and then having to dumb them down for console users. i think shaftbox 360 is going to get a half assed port of crysis
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we could all use a little more sunshine.
yeah, she's funny and somewhat interesting. not a beauty queen, but not bad lookin. i'd feel quite honored to fuck janine garofalo. -tiny_rabid_birds
If you're actaully racist in real life though, you're literally a homosexual faggot.-StevenMichael
Quote: RoosterCogburn said: I think PC and console merged... And standalone PC game machines are going to fade away simply due to price.
I can't believe people still pay THOUSANDS of dollars to play at a desk on a 20" screen...
alienware, which is what i think you are talking about is a joke anyway, its less expensive to simply upgrade when you need to, nothing takes advantage of an I7 and 77 gigs of ram yet, and i use a DVI to HDMI cable to run to a 42 inch flat screen, with a 9500 GT, which is enough for any game out now and only cost 70 dollars with a 20 dollar rebate.
i always build my own of course, and mine runs as a home theater pc but with a regular nice case, i plan to put a tv tuner/capture card in for freevo and when the price of blue ray discs and blue ray drives come down i plan to use it as that, my dvd player is the computer also.
the option to run a computer to a tv has always been there, its whether you make that choice or not. i own a pc for a lot of reasons so its not just gaming.
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we could all use a little more sunshine.
yeah, she's funny and somewhat interesting. not a beauty queen, but not bad lookin. i'd feel quite honored to fuck janine garofalo. -tiny_rabid_birds
If you're actaully racist in real life though, you're literally a homosexual faggot.-StevenMichael
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im sure you havn't played half the games i listed...
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