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 Re: Oil additive to substrates  [Re: wisp]
#8751077 - 08/10/08 01:32 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Same here trip!
Nice hervast man :O how much it weights?
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: Culland]
#8751496 - 08/10/08 04:30 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Culland,
great to see such a comparison!
I tried eryngii a few times on straw and wood chips, but never got them to pin.
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: dstark]
#8751910 - 08/10/08 08:27 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
dstark said:
Same here trip!
Nice hervast man :O how much it weights?
Bit less then 2.5 lbs, as I didnt weight the bowl before putting it on the scales.
Did up my new trays to try with king oyster this morning:
-compost + straw
-just straw
-compost + dog hair (this old lady I met swears that hair makes the best compost so figured I would try)
-duck litter (shavings and duck poop)
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: Culland]
#8751913 - 08/10/08 08:29 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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"compost + dog hair"
That's quite disturbing really. Soon people will just be innoculating live dogs.
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: wisp]
#8757311 - 08/11/08 11:25 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Muahaha dogs hair ^^
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: dstark]
#8763611 - 08/12/08 06:37 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just a quick update. The oil tray has a number of pins forming, however over night a spot I hadn't seen a pin exploded with a huge pin:
Some of the mushrooms were getting past prime so I picked the biggest ones:
King oyster is a very tasty mushroom, great texture too. The stems were still a bit chewy, is there a trick to softening them up, slower cooking maybe? I brushed them with a mixture of sesame oil and soya sauce, then fried at medium heat till they cooked down.
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: Culland]
#8764028 - 08/12/08 07:42 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow, the stems on my Kings are heaps fatter than that-maybe a variant?
They are a bit chewy-I like them cut about 5mm thick, so you get little circles. Fried with a bit of butter and olive oil and garlic 'till golden brown-yummo, reminds me of abalone/calamari in texture.
Nice pics.
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: worowa]
#8764435 - 08/12/08 08:56 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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When I was reading I saw a mention of the size of your substrate having an impact upon the size of your fruits. Not sure if this is the case or not, but my trays are only 5"x8"x2" or so. I was expecting much fatter stems then I got.
My next round of growing has more trays for comparison testing, but also a bigger shallow and bigger deep tray. If I get narrow stems on that as well then I have no idea.
What was the size of your growing container and what substrate did you use Worowa?
Cul
Edited by Culland (08/12/08 09:03 PM)
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: Culland]
#8765534 - 08/13/08 12:23 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I like the idea of king oyster tray culture, but those aren't very marketable fruits. I have hard time growing them on sawdust blocks and on straw you only get a few fruits off a huge amount of spawn.
My restaurant and farmers market customers demand nice fat kings, which is fine with me because they weigh much more than what your pictures are showing.
Keep up the good work though, I wish I had more time to experiment like that. I am very interested in learning about growing with used oil and oil pressings.
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: b3jamboree]
#8766286 - 08/13/08 03:32 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've used several different substrate mixes. Straight grains, mixtures of sprouted grains and coir, and mixtures of left over food scraps (including used cooking oil) that I usually mix with coir. I also had some on newspaper soaked in coffee and chocolate energy drink, which lasted for almost a year in a small plastic bag before I transferred it.
For growing containers I've used glass bottles, PP plastic food containers, PP filter patch bags, plastic zip lock bags, vacola jars-which are like a mason jar. Anywhere from 500mL up to 10L.
The skinniest stems I got where on outdoor grown ones. They where from a spent block of coir and sprouted wheat, which I mixed in with woodchips. They still tasted great, but not as good as the fatsos.
I've also noticed that some bags have co-inhabitants (some kind of green contamination), but the Eryngii mycelium seems to thrive on the competition, and fruits more quickly than on the bags without the competitors. Eventually the green stuff is consumed by the myc. I can't yet identify these organisms, but those are some of my observations.
My latest batches are growing on rolled oats, or wheat soaked for 2 weeks with a dash of washing powder. Both are booming-no fruits yet, but I've been taking photos. A couple are substrate wrapped in newspaper. The myc. has already started fanning out on the newspaper, turning bad news into good!
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: worowa]
#8766783 - 08/13/08 09:44 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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For growing containers I've used glass bottles, PP plastic food containers, PP filter patch bags, plastic zip lock bags, vacola jars-which are like a mason jar. Anywhere from 500mL up to 10L.
Did you notice any size difference in your mushrooms/stems with the smaller containers?
One other thought I had on my mushroom sizes is that I didn't leave much of a rest period between colonization and putting them out to fruiting. How long do you normally wait?
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: Culland]
#8769335 - 08/13/08 07:02 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Worowa:
do you get good fruiting of eryngii with those different substrates?
when you read about fruiting them, often you hear they only grow well from wood-based subs, but I had a bag of pasteurized old paper that I had sitting in my garage for about 5 or 6 months and when it was put into a martha style fc it fruited with massive fruits
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8467169#8467169
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: caricapapaya]
#8769414 - 08/13/08 07:13 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice fruits there, I wonder if the 6 month wait had anything to do with it. What did you mix with the paper, anything?
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: caricapapaya]
#8769477 - 08/13/08 07:24 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cul-the only really small ones have been on petri dishes, and on 250mL containers, like this one
That is popcorn substrate, colonised and fruited while I travelled in my car, camping in the mountains and on the beach, temperatures going from close to freezing to over 40 degrees C.
The outdoor patch had some with massive caps-up to 15 cm across, but the stems where smaller than usual.
As for the substrates, I've founf Eryngii to be very adaptable and forgiving. Newspaper is usually a wood based substrate.
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: worowa]
#8769569 - 08/13/08 07:39 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh yeah, I don't really change anything from colonization to fruiting, apart from opening up the lid or cutting holes in the bag near the emerging pins.
I don't have any climate controls, and I've gone way outside the parameters in GGMM.
Because I'm not a commercial grower, I can afford to have bags fruiting randomly on their own accord. The fastest fruits came from coir with left over brown rice, about half of each. The bag got a small patch of green stuff growing on one side, and this seemed to trigger fruiting. I got a couple of flushes from that bag, and when I crumbled it up into a woodchip bed, there was no sign of the green.
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: worowa]
#8792250 - 08/18/08 08:35 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Picked the one mushroom that grew to size on the oil substrate. Big one at just over 100g wet weight, still with a narrower stem though, compared to the bulbous shapes I have seen on the forum here. Overall, the oil tray eventually grew 30g more mushroom then the other trays, though the other trays were faster with smaller mushrooms.
Thats it for awhile, till my next row of trays are ready to fruit. Might do second flush and the new trays at the same time.
Cul
Edited by Culland (08/18/08 08:38 PM)
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: Culland]
#8793374 - 08/19/08 12:53 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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That is one cool looking mushroom! Nice work.
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Re: Oil additive to substrates [Re: wisp]
#8794414 - 08/19/08 09:45 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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King oyster <3
Niceeeeeeee fruits.
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