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 backfromthedead
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 Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking  [Re: TameMe]
#8645165 - 07/17/08 01:17 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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This is reminding me of Abyss the movie... Or The Abyss. I forget. Good one though.
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Edited by backfromthedead (07/17/08 03:50 AM)
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Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: BlindSophist]
#8645212 - 07/17/08 01:30 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I also really appreciate this post. I think you've really struck something fundamental here. Personally, I wouldn't think of living your life as taking a break from seeking.... its the opposite in my mind. Choosing to live life in all it's ultimately trivial glory is the best possible outcome of all the seeking. Realizing that this is what we have and its better to make it as full as possible rather than just living in one's head forever. All the questions you've refined will make you better able to make choices about your life that are satisfying. Life itself is constant seeking and it doesn't end. Focusing fully on the tangible, material world is simply a different focal point than shooting off into psychedelic space all the time.
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Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8645422 - 07/17/08 02:41 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not trying to leave seeking behind, I just want to leave the abyss, which is where my seeking has led me for the past few months. And so I take this as a sign that I have nothing more to seek - but only for the time being.
I'm really happy to see that you guys can see where I'm coming from. I thought I was just rambling when I was typing it, it came out so fast.
Edited by Tchan909 (07/17/08 02:53 AM)
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Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: backfromthedead]
#8646022 - 07/17/08 10:01 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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backfromthedead said:
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Icelander said:
where, where?
Right there. And it looks like he doesn't have a problem handing anyone his ass.
That's just my teddy bear.
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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 Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: BlindSophist]
#8646107 - 07/17/08 10:45 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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If your use of the word "abyss" means the 'unfathomable' - another depth metaphor with the additional meaning of 'incomprehensible,' then I too can relate to having shared your sentiments at one time. However, the "sadness" that TameMe mentioned seems to me to be despair, due to your egoic-mind's inability comprehending The Depth of Reality. As BE HERE NOW says on page 10:
"There is something inside each of us that comes from behind that veil - behind the place of your own birth. It is as if you have tasted of something somewhere in your past that's been so high - so much light - so much energy - that nothing you can experience through any of your senses or your thoughts can be enough! Somewhere inside everyone knows there is a place which is totally fulfilling, not a deperate flick of fulfillment, it is a state of fulfillment.
You may experience despair that you'll ever know that. GOOD! Because through the despair comes surrender, and through that surrender, you get closer to it."
Hey, this too shall pass. All of these experiences can transform you, if you allow them to. 100 trips in a couple of years is too many for you to have assimilated the experiences and incorporated them into a new personality of psychedelic sainthood. The late Dr. Hofmann took 15 trips in his entire life, and he had both access and knowledge of acid that outstrips your trips and mine put together. He got what he needed through patience. You can't rush the process, and one can't be greedy for spiritual experience. Digestion is a slow process, like a snake swallowing the universe! 
Keep the faith!
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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Sauton - Know Thyself
Edited by MarkostheGnostic (07/17/08 02:42 PM)
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Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#8646126 - 07/17/08 10:55 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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like a snake swallowing the universe!
Crazy you say that... Crazy.
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Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#8647492 - 07/17/08 05:14 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said:
If your use of the word "abyss" means the 'unfathomable' - another depth metaphor with the additional meaning of 'incomprehensible,' then I too can relate to having shared your sentiments at one time. However, the "sadness" that TameMe mentioned seems to me to be despair, due to your egoic-mind's inability comprehending The Depth of Reality. As BE HERE NOW says on page 10:
"There is something inside each of us that comes from behind that veil - behind the place of your own birth. It is as if you have tasted of something somewhere in your past that's been so high - so much light - so much energy - that nothing you can experience through any of your senses or your thoughts can be enough! Somewhere inside everyone knows there is a place which is totally fulfilling, not a deperate flick of fulfillment, it is a state of fulfillment.
You may experience despair that you'll ever know that. GOOD! Because through the despair comes surrender, and through that surrender, you get closer to it."
Hey, this too shall pass. All of these experiences can transform you, if you allow them to. 100 trips in a couple of years is too many for you to have assimilated the experiences and incorporated them into a new personality of psychedelic sainthood. The late Dr. Hofmann took 15 trips in his entire life, and he had both access and knowledge of acid that outstrips your trips and mine put together. He got what he needed through patience. You can't rush the process, and one can't be greedy for spiritual experience. Digestion is a slow process, like a snake swallowing the universe!
Keep the faith!
Well put. I was having trouble letting go of my questions even as I was beginning to see how illusory the questions themselves were - just as illusory as the wildly bizarre potential answers they can be met with.
Simple questions like "What am I?" "Where am I?" "What is happening to me?" have derailed my trips before, but my sober life, too is filled with more complex questions and they result in scenarios I've convinced myself must be run out in my head for some type of understanding of whatever situation I'm in.
These scenarios never, ever reflect reality. Sometimes they are gratifying in a petty way, more often they cause undue stress. Often they distract me from what is really happening and occasionally point me in the directions I'm trying to avoid.
Now that I understand this, it's incredible to see how many areas of stress in my mental life are being quashed. I was asking so many more foolish questions of myself than I could even outline in this thread.
Edited by Tchan909 (07/17/08 05:26 PM)
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Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: BlindSophist]
#8647614 - 07/17/08 05:37 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said:
For most of my tripping career
Now is my time to flee the abyss
I apologize for the very long and personal post, but I just felt like sharing my perspective with you guys.
Its a profession now? Where do i apply?
You are the abyss, how long can you run from yourself?
Dont apoligize its nice to see someone pouring theyre heart out for once!
Dropping the search but still burning for truth is great, its one of the last steps to actually discovering it.
Good vibes your way man  seriously...
Markosgnostic's post was great, even this what your going through right now, is "it"
Damn i love Ram Dass i havent looked at that book fro ages
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 Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: BlindSophist]
#8648961 - 07/17/08 11:49 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#8650318 - 07/18/08 11:38 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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MarkostheGnostic said:
"May you be happy!"
http://www.mayyoubehappy.com/atmavicharya.html
Sweet, i truly think that all paths end up in atma vichara, i really feel as if Ramana Maharshi was such an important being to humanity, if you look at how the teaching he passed on has flowered over the last hundred or so years its amazing, the amount of advaita teachers out there is ridiculous!
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Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: The Chronic]
#8653663 - 07/19/08 02:29 AM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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You'll never find anything worthwhile except your Self. There is knowledge to gain, however, which keeps you from diverting from the Self, and keeping the connection to the Self alive as circumstances vary.
The most important thing to remember is nothing is static or permanent. Even the 'reality' you think is there, like your room for instance, and outside, and "the world" -- these are all changing as your thoughts change, as different thoughts touch the world there are different things there. When the thought has gone heaven has dawned.
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Wherever the hero may wander, whatever he may do, he is ever in the presence of his own essence — for he has the perfected eye to see. There is no separateness. Thus, just as the way of social participation may lead in the end to a realization of the All in the individual, so that of exile brings the hero to the Self in all.
joseph campbell
For, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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Re: the abyss, and why I'm no longer seeking [Re: BlindSophist]
#8656139 - 07/19/08 08:21 PM (4 years, 9 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said:
I'm not trying to leave seeking behind, I just want to leave the abyss, which is where my seeking has led me for the past few months. And so I take this as a sign that I have nothing more to seek - but only for the time being.
I'm really happy to see that you guys can see where I'm coming from. I thought I was just rambling when I was typing it, it came out so fast.
Having gained the understanding to know when to search and when to stop, look around, and get your bearings is truly a precious talent to possess. It is the way on the journey.
Onward, then rest and look where you've come from, where you're going, and the horizon seems to meet the sky in both direction. Maybe take a nap, also!
~Monk
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