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 Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED  [Re: Ima Trooper]
#8635910 - 07/15/08 01:40 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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this country makes me sick sometimes.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: DOSESandROLLS]
#8636115 - 07/15/08 03:00 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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If I was her, I wouldn't have tried to hide my crying little 13-year-old face. I would've milked that shit for all it was worth and cried the whole fucking time, and excessively. Then after I would have gone to the bathroom and pretended to puke from emotional stress.
She would've won the case right then and there.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: Ima Trooper]
#8636668 - 07/15/08 09:13 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Prescription Strength IB profen. Hahahaa.
Well if I'm a child molester I know what I'm doing. I'm going to be a teacher, and say I saw drugs. Then strip girl the little girl/boy, and have a hidden camera for it. Sick ass people.
I would have gotten butt ass naked, and then act like I was freaking out and streaked down the hallways. I would just say I had a panic attack, and didn't know what to do. I wanted to do that so bad when I was younger.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: Ima Trooper]
#8636713 - 07/15/08 09:33 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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i dont get why she didnt just refuse. they couldnt take her clothes off her, and if they tried she could have added sexual assult to the list. honestly this is disgusting. and the thing that 5 out of 11 judges said it was ok.... maybe those judges need some background checks the fucking peados!!
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: Coaster]
#8636897 - 07/15/08 10:41 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Coaster said:
can u belive that some judges said that it was ok
wowzers
san fran for the fucking win once again
No they didn't, and this case was not over whether the search was legal or whether it was advisable.
You're confusion is understandable given the shitty coverage of the paper, but the above stands--> not regarding legality of the search.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: Ima Trooper]
#8639150 - 07/15/08 08:07 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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a fucking 13 Year old!!!!! strip searched for IBUPROFEN!!!!!! what the fuck is this world coming to? if that was my daughter, id beat the principal until he was a vegetable. if it was my sister, you bet your ass id wear a trenchcoat to school and pull a colombine on that fucking principal. it sickens me the extent that a war on "dangerous substances" can actually make people believe that making a 13 year old girl strip off all her clothes in order to find a prescription Ibuprofen (which could be used to treat cramps cause by periods, Duh its a girl!) is okay. is there anyone out there that can possibly think that the damage done to this young girls head is equivalent to that done by a few ibuprofen? fucking disgusting. shit is fucked. 
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: johnm214]
#8639878 - 07/15/08 10:54 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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Coaster said:
can u belive that some judges said that it was ok
wowzers
san fran for the fucking win once again
No they didn't, and this case was not over whether the search was legal or whether it was advisable.
You're confusion is understandable given the shitty coverage of the paper, but the above stands--> not regarding legality of the search.
Please elaborate as I do not understand what you have said.
It was my understanding that the appeals court ultimately said that this search was not appropriate and the principal could be liable for monetary damages. However some judges had disagreed and said that the search was appropriate.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: nicebloomers]
#8640421 - 07/16/08 01:04 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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nicebloomers said:
a fucking 13 Year old!!!!! strip searched for IBUPROFEN!!!!!! what the fuck is this world coming to? if that was my daughter, id beat the principal until he was a vegetable. if it was my sister, you bet your ass id wear a trenchcoat to school and pull a colombine on that fucking principal. it sickens me the extent that a war on "dangerous substances" can actually make people believe that making a 13 year old girl strip off all her clothes in order to find a prescription Ibuprofen (which could be used to treat cramps cause by periods, Duh its a girl!) is okay. is there anyone out there that can possibly think that the damage done to this young girls head is equivalent to that done by a few ibuprofen? fucking disgusting. shit is fucked.
Okay first of all. Seeing as how I live in the Colorado area and knew people that went to Columbine and died. Your fucked up if you say that shit. You dont even understand what its like when a friend is shot up reading a fucken psalm because two little pussy fucks couldnt bear the weight of life and decided to take it out in fashion that was created by a mind washing video game. In no way should anyone react in that way to anything.
But hey just my opinion.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: Dephect]
#8641097 - 07/16/08 05:44 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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You dont even understand what its like when a friend is shot up reading a fucken psalm because two little pussy fucks couldnt bear the weight of life and decided to take it out in fashion that was created by a mind washing video game.
Perhaps if the students at the school had been a bit less evil to the two "pussy fucks", then the two "pussy fucks" wouldn't have resorted to violence. The violent games were an escape from brutality these two students received at the hands of their peers on a daily basis. Something drove them to hate other students enough to want to kill, and it wasn't the games.
Getting back on topic... the school should have called the police if the alleged crime was severe enough, in the schools opinion, to require a strip search.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: Seuss]
#8642720 - 07/16/08 03:43 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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dude i never said that the kids in the school should be hurt i meant that the person who ordered a strip search of a 13 year old girl for fucking ibuprofen should be shot hence " id pull a colombine on that Principal" so fuckin chill out im sorry about your friend but you misunderstood what i was trying to say. i simply meant that when shit like this happens, someone will flip out eventually and a situation like this is a perfect catalyst for violence. if you dont think that principal was in the wrong then you need to weigh the situation a bit more carefully, the private rights and liberties as well as the mental health of a young girl vs. a harmless drug causing no immediate danger to anyone. take your eyes off of the colombine part and focus on the real issue obviously noone here is trying to offend the parents of the kids that died at colombine or the friends or family, so take it down a notch buddy.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: Seuss]
#8642739 - 07/16/08 03:46 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Perhaps if the students at the school had been a bit less evil to the two "pussy fucks", then the two "pussy fucks" wouldn't have resorted to violence. The violent games were an escape from brutality these two students received at the hands of their peers on a daily basis. Something drove them to hate other students enough to want to kill, and it wasn't the games.
Getting back on topic... the school should have called the police if the alleged crime was severe enough, in the schools opinion, to require a strip search.
yeah it would have been alot more tasteful for them to search her if she was away from her peers and stuff. i dont think there is any excuse for them to go about it the way they did.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: Ojom]
#8643966 - 07/16/08 07:58 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ojom said:
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johnm214 said:
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Coaster said:
can u belive that some judges said that it was ok
wowzers
san fran for the fucking win once again
No they didn't, and this case was not over whether the search was legal or whether it was advisable.
You're confusion is understandable given the shitty coverage of the paper, but the above stands--> not regarding legality of the search.
Please elaborate as I do not understand what you have said.
It was my understanding that the appeals court ultimately said that this search was not appropriate and the principal could be liable for monetary damages. However some judges had disagreed and said that the search was appropriate.
1st presumption: Case dismissed on summary judgment at district court ( I believe).
The Court decided that the alleged behavior of the school so offended and violated the constitution that any rational person in their position should have known they could not have strip searched the girl how they did.
The contention was over whether the violation was clear to a normal person in their position, not whether it violated the constitution.
So the court decided that the behavior could sustain a jury verdict and their was no privledge.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: johnm214]
#8645163 - 07/17/08 01:16 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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Ojom said:
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johnm214 said:
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Coaster said:
can u belive that some judges said that it was ok
wowzers
san fran for the fucking win once again
No they didn't, and this case was not over whether the search was legal or whether it was advisable.
You're confusion is understandable given the shitty coverage of the paper, but the above stands--> not regarding legality of the search.
Please elaborate as I do not understand what you have said.
It was my understanding that the appeals court ultimately said that this search was not appropriate and the principal could be liable for monetary damages. However some judges had disagreed and said that the search was appropriate.
1st presumption: Case dismissed on summary judgment at district court ( I believe).
The Court decided that the alleged behavior of the school so offended and violated the constitution that any rational person in their position should have known they could not have strip searched the girl how they did.
The contention was over whether the violation was clear to a normal person in their position, not whether it violated the constitution.
So the court decided that the behavior could sustain a jury verdict and their was no privledge.
Having re-evaluated the entire article based on what you've said, I still think chemy's post is right. At least one judge did believe the strip search was appropriate.
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Judge Michael Daly Hawkins, joined by Chief Judge Alex Kozinski and Judge Carlos T. Bea, dissented on the grounds that the search was constitutional.
Hawkins wrote: "School officials deserve the greatest latitude when responding to behavior that threatens the health and safety of students or teachers . . .
"When school officials reasonably believe that a student is carrying a weapon or harmful drugs, it will rarely be unreasonable for them to do what they can to neutralize the danger."
Although ibuprofen is mild, "that does not mean it is never harmful," Hawkins wrote.
That sounds to me like he approved of the search which I thought was the real substance behind chemy's post.
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: Ojom]
#8645581 - 07/17/08 04:03 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't know about Chemy's post, I was just responding to the notion that they were rulling on the legality/consitutionality of the search.
They were rulling on whether the state actors violated clearly established consitutitonal rules.
He was speaking on policy and whether they could be protected by the shroud of ualified immunity, and obviously he thought they could- whether or not they violated the law.
I hate this shit though... the guy is talking about what "school officials deserve"... wtf? They deserve the law. This guy is acting like he is making policy determinations. WTF? Enforce the law, jackass.
I would like to point out this is the kind of activist judge that doesn't get spoken about much- the conservative kind.
He argued that the school officials should have latitude and that ibuprofe was dangerous in some cases.
So what? Whether or not the constitution was clearly violated has nothing to do with what the school nazi's should have.
I hate that kinda language in judge's opinions. The dangers of ibuprofen are something that should be decided at trial. I doubt the plaintiff conceeded the drug was dangerous, so teh judges had no buisness concluding it was.
Mind you its even more out of place in an opinion where by law he must presume the plaintiff's allegations true, and not make evidentiary or factual determinations at odds with the plaintiff.
I agree it sounds like the disenter might agree with the tactics, but you must remember..
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Re: 13 year old girl strip searched for ibuprofen CASE OVERTURNED [Re: johnm214]
#8645652 - 07/17/08 04:55 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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