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 AcidHorse
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 Re: growing morel sclerotia  [Re: Mycelio]
#8651261 - 07/18/08 03:59 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mycelio said:
In some of the jars I have very dense and strong mycelium, but no sclerotia at all. So I was always wondering if my mixtures were too rich on nutritients.
But then what is nutritient poor?
Sand and stones?
Do you think about bark mulch and autumn leaves?
Carsten
Bark mulch? autumn leaves? Of course those are nutrient rich.
As for the other, isn't it obvious? chemically? elementally of course.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=laTL5dclJkE&feature=related
&feature=related
http://forums.mycotopia.net/fungi-growing-edible-medicinal-magic-mushrooms/36900-experienced-morel-cultivators.html
But regardless of the nutrient poor; if you finally understand, there must be some microscopic trace amount of nutrient to supply it with the raw material to build tissues or cells, just so it can reach a location of larger amounts of food.
Edited by AcidHorse (07/18/08 04:09 PM)
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Re: growing morel sclerotia [Re: AcidHorse]
#8651777 - 07/18/08 06:02 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh, you are speaking about the two layers. Then it is clear to me. I already used a mineral and nutritient free layer in my first jars. One morel strain produces sclerotia only in the mineral layer, the other one prefers the top layer, but also does sclerotia in the food layer.
The other jars do not perform so well. I blamed it on degenerated mycelium, but perhaps it's caused by the missing mineral layer. Though there is one jar, where the inside above the food is covered with tiny sclerotia.
Morels are weird...
I could bury some mycelium in a friends garden in sandy soil, near a compost pile. Might be worth a try.
Carsten
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Re: growing morel sclerotia [Re: Mycelio]
#8651884 - 07/18/08 06:32 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mycelio said:
Oh, you are speaking about the two layers. Then it is clear to me. I already used a mineral and nutritient free layer in my first jars. One morel strain produces sclerotia only in the mineral layer, the other one prefers the top layer, but also does sclerotia in the food layer.
The other jars do not perform so well. I blamed it on degenerated mycelium, but perhaps it's caused by the missing mineral layer. Though there is one jar, where the inside above the food is covered with tiny sclerotia.
Morels are weird...
I could bury some mycelium in a friends garden in sandy soil, near a compost pile. Might be worth a try.
Carsten
They all do sclerotia in the same way. Its just that you have encountered situations that lead to special circumstances. I have Disciotis venosa done the same way and it forms sclerotia in the nutrient poor layer that is as yellow as urine.
Degenerate mycelium? no. Sometimes bacteria can survive the cooking or maybe a yeast can get through the filters and once its active in the grain layer it will ferment the sugars and create ethyl alcohol which will inhibit the growth. Or even high levels of moisture in the jars can inhibit growth.
If its saturated there's no way oxygen can exist in the soil in the amounts the fungus needs.
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Edited by AcidHorse (07/18/08 06:37 PM)
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Re: growing morel sclerotia [Re: metalhead]
#8692261 - 07/28/08 02:40 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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hows it comin along?
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Re: growing morel sclerotia [Re: metalhead]
#8696030 - 07/29/08 07:12 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, after ca. seven weeks, I see sclerotia in nine out of twelve jars. About five weeks ago I did ten more. There, four showed no growth at all, from the others, I have two with sclerotia.
Some turned brown already,
 
others need longer.
 
This is a tiny jar with only rice and additives, no nutritient poor layer on top:
 
And here's one with strong mycelium, but no sclerotia:
It looks like I have another month to find out how to proceed.
Carsten
Edited by Mycelio (07/31/08 01:02 PM)
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Re: growing morel sclerotia [Re: Mycelio]
#8697286 - 07/29/08 02:37 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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r u going to do indoor grow or outdoor?
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Re: growing morel sclerotia [Re: metalhead]
#8697650 - 07/29/08 04:02 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sclerotia indoor, fruiting outdoor.
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Re: growing morel sclerotia [Re: Mycelio]
#8705852 - 07/31/08 04:40 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mycelio said:
Well, after ca. seven weeks, I see sclerotia in nine out of twelve jars. About five weeks ago I did ten more. There, four showed no growth at all, from the others, I have two with sclerotia.
Some turned brown already,
others need longer.
This is a tiny jar with only rice and additives, no nutritient poor layer on top:
That's why the sclerotia are growing on the glass on the sides of the jar. That's essentially
nutrient poor, nothing around it. But that is fascinating that it actually did so well on the sides,
because usually they won't.
I'd like to try to use ground up microwavable styro foam as a nutrient poor layer and see how well
that would work.
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And here's one with strong mycelium, but no sclerotia:
It looks like I have another month to find out how to proceed.
Carsten
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Re: growing morel sclerotia [Re: AcidHorse]
#8706851 - 07/31/08 01:18 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is only one of my two yellow morel strains, which forms sclerotia on the glass sides. High moisture and no holes in the lid probably helped. The other strain does a few in the grain layer.
I wonder why the mycelium freaks out so often. In five jars there is super dense mycelium, but no sclerotia at all. Next time I will try to make the grain layer less nutritious and inoculate the nutrient poor layer.
Carsten
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Re: growing morel sclerotia [Re: Mycelio]
#8714336 - 08/02/08 12:40 AM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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i have had my best results with vermiculite as the sclerotia base. with a ph range of between 7.5 and 8.3, or there are several patented methods located on the internet or in some fungi cultivation manuals.
good luck!
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