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Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING)
    #8342733 - 04/29/08 06:54 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier

By Sadie Gray
Sunday, 27 April 2008

A 17-year-old Iraqi girl was murdered by her father in an honour killing after falling in love with a British soldier she met while working on an aid programme in Basra, it has been claimed.

Rand Abdel-Qader was stamped upon, suffocated and stabbed by her father, then given an unceremonious burial to emphasise her disgrace. Police released her father without charge two hours after his arrest.

"Not much can be done when we have an honour killing case," said Sergeant Ali Jabbar of Basra police. "You are in a Muslim society and women should live under religious laws. The father has very good contacts inside the Basra government and it wasn't hard for him to be released and what he did to be forgotten."

A total of 47 young women died in honour killings in the city last year, Basra Security Committee told an investigation into Ms Abdel-Qader's case by The Observer. This is believed to be the only case of an honour killing involving a British soldier.

The MoD had no official advice for troops on how to behave with Iraqi women. The serviceman involved would not have been told that any relationship with her could put her life at risk, the paper said.

Ms Abdel-Qader, a student of English at Basra University, had struck up a friendship with a 22-year-old British infantryman known only as Paul five months before her murder in March.

She was believed to have last seen him in January, and the pair, whose relationship was innocent, only ever met while working at the aid station. The soldier was helping deliver relief to displaced families as part of his regimental duties. Ms Abdel-Qader was a volunteer worker.

On the day her father, Abdel-Qader Ali, was told of their friendship by a friend, he accused her of having an affair with a British soldier and killed her in front of his wife, Leila Hussain, and their sons.

"I screamed and called out for her two brothers so they could get their father away from her. But when he told them the reason, instead of saving her they helped him end her life," Ms Hussain said. She then left her husband and has since divorced him. She has received threats from her husband's family and is in hiding. She now works for an organisation campaigning against honour killings.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/girl-17-killed-in-iraq-for-loving-a-british-soldier-816301.html


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: downforpot]
    #8342756 - 04/29/08 07:01 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Islam :thumbdown:


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: robbyberto]
    #8342773 - 04/29/08 07:05 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Islam :thumbdown:


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: downforpot]
    #8342823 - 04/29/08 07:23 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Man, these fuckers are going to be so free when we're done with them.

This is a good example of why I think we should grant full citizenship and a free boat ride to any woman that applies for it.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #8342860 - 04/29/08 07:33 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Hopefully the brits take this guy behind a building and beat him to death. civilian schmivilian.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: downforpot]
    #8342864 - 04/29/08 07:34 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Pile that on to the reasons you'll probably never see true democracy in Iraq. Those people have a completely different mindset and beliefs.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: downforpot]
    #8342867 - 04/29/08 07:35 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Fucking propaganda.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #8342879 - 04/29/08 07:37 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

What, you don't think this shit really happened/happens?


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #8342891 - 04/29/08 07:40 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Good thing we Americans are far more advanced than that.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #8342893 - 04/29/08 07:40 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

> What, you don't think this shit really happened/happens?

Of course not; Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, and understanding of differing cultures, viewpoints, and cartoons. (sarcasm)


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #8342896 - 04/29/08 07:41 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

No, not really. Maybe it did, I'm not saying it definatly did not....but I think there is just as much a chance of it being made up to promote hatred towards muslims thus supporting a religious war.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Seuss]
    #8342905 - 04/29/08 07:42 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

As soon as the aliens show up and show the world that they are indeed the gods we've been genuflecting to for thousands of years, the better off we're gonna be.  :smirk:


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #8342923 - 04/29/08 07:48 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

I could be wrong, but I think it is actually a part of Sharia Law.

But like it or not, this kind of shit does happen in our world.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #8342939 - 04/29/08 07:53 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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No, not really. Maybe it did, I'm not saying it definatly did not....but I think there is just as much a chance of it being made up to promote hatred towards muslims thus supporting a religious war.



ya i kinda got that vibe too

like how the brothers just started helping just like that, its hard to just kill a sibling so easily, even for muslims


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Coaster]
    #8342949 - 04/29/08 07:56 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Look it up. There are a ton of cases of even siblings helping kill their own sisters. Fucked up culture.

BBC NEWS
'Honour killing' brother jailed
A 19-year-old Turkish man has been jailed for nine years and three months by a German court for shooting his sister in a so-called "honour killing".

Ayhan Surucu had confessed to shooting his sister Hatun Surucu, 23, at a bus stop in a Berlin suburb last year.

Two other brothers were cleared of charges of conspiring to murder her.

Prosecutors said the brothers felt dishonoured by their sister, who lived on her own with her son after leaving a cousin she had been forced to marry.

The death of the 23-year-old shocked Germany and led to street protests by Turkish women.

The Berlin court's presiding judge Michael Degreif said Hatun Surucu was killed "because she lived her life as she saw fit" and had adopted Western ideas of sexual equality, the AFP news agency reports.

It was too much for me. I grabbed the pistol and pulled the trigger
Ayhan Surucu

Her killer, Ayhan Surucu, had told the court he shot his sister because he disapproved of her lifestyle and her morals, but added that he regretted his actions.

He said she infuriated him by saying that she had the right to live as she pleased and to sleep with whom she wanted.

"It was too much for me. I grabbed the pistol and pulled the trigger," he told the court in September. "I don't even understand what I did anymore."

Protests

Hatun Surucu was the sixth victim of honour killings among Berlin's 200,000-strong Turkish community in as many months. The German police listed 45 cases between 1996 and 2004 - with 13 in Berlin.

She had been married to her cousin eight years before in an arranged marriage, but had then run away - taking her five-year-old son with her.

The killing led to a wide debate in Germany about honour killings.

Muslim leaders in Berlin were at pains to stress that there was no basis for honour killings in the Koran. But they were also criticised for not making a clear condemnation of them.
Story from BBC NEWS:
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Published: 2006/04/13 09:08:16 GMT

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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #8342958 - 04/29/08 07:59 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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No, not really. Maybe it did, I'm not saying it definatly did not....but I think there is just as much a chance of it being made up to promote hatred towards muslims thus supporting a religious war.




A religious war started by the leader of one of the most religiously diverse countries in the world.
Right....
Besides, this was reported by a UK news agency, most of which are not known for supporting the war in any way.


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no your just stoned. stop smoking pot [/quote]


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: downforpot]
    #8342963 - 04/29/08 08:00 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

there is no honor in killing, unless its to save a life


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: DNKYD]
    #8342979 - 04/29/08 08:02 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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But like it or not, this kind of shit does happen in our world.



Facts please, not propaganda news stories.

Video of american chopper gunning down unarmed civillians


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #8342998 - 04/29/08 08:07 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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ChiefThunderbong said:
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But like it or not, this kind of shit does happen in our world.



Facts please, not propaganda news stories.

Video of american chopper gunning down unarmed civillians




Why would you post that? From what I know they saw them throwing down a weapon in the video.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: AScannerDarkly]
    #8343002 - 04/29/08 08:08 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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A religious war started by the leader of one of the most religiously diverse countries in the world.
Right....




The US government is religiously diverse?


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #8343017 - 04/29/08 08:11 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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A religious war started by the leader of one of the most religiously diverse countries in the world.
Right....




The US government is religiously diverse?




The populous is, and whether you want to play victim or not the populous still holds a lot of power.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #8343066 - 04/29/08 08:22 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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But like it or not, this kind of shit does happen in our world.



Facts please, not propaganda news stories.

Video of american chopper gunning down unarmed civillians




LOL
Heres the full video.




RPG at :30-:40, retard.
They're visiting a weapons cache.
Editing footage so its convenient for peaceniks is just as sinister as any lie the government tells.
Looks like the only propaganda is coming from you


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: AScannerDarkly]
    #8343240 - 04/29/08 09:08 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

the last guy was down, wasnt going anywhere, a valuable source of
information, like where the rest of the weapons are, at the point
he was shot he was no longer capable of being a combatant

they killed him anyway

of course our government wouldnt kill innocent people
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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #8343245 - 04/29/08 09:09 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Quote:

But like it or not, this kind of shit does happen in our world.



Facts please, not propaganda news stories.

Video of american chopper gunning down unarmed civillians




I'd be willing to bet that any article that is brought to your attention on the topic will be construed by you as "propaganda". Regardless, here are a few:

National Geographic article
Honor Killing in Egypt (PDF File)
New Islamic Directions Blog


While I was wrong to say honor killings are part of Sharia law, this stuff does happen around the world and there is no denying it. Plug your ears, stamp your feet, and play the ignorance card if it tickles your fancy, but it does not change the facts of life.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: DNKYD]
    #8343320 - 04/29/08 09:29 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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While I was wrong to say honor killings are part of Sharia law, this stuff does happen around the world and there is no denying it. Plug your ears, stamp your feet, and play the ignorance card if it tickles your fancy, but it does not change the facts of life.




I never said honor killings do not happen, you are missing my point. These things may happen, and many more fucked up things probably happen. My point is that muslims are not the only ones who commit attrocities and you should not believe every "story" you read. It's all fucking propaganda like I said from the start.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8343504 - 04/29/08 10:23 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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the last guy was down, wasnt going anywhere, a valuable source of
information, like where the rest of the weapons are, at the point
he was shot he was no longer capable of being a combatant

they killed him anyway





Sorry to burst your bubble but an AH-64 apache is not a police car.
Besides, the point isnt whether or not the way the enemies were engaged was ethical, the point is that they were NOT unarmed civilians, and that editing the video to show no weapons or dialogue it is a LIE and a form of PROPAGANDA


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #8343534 - 04/29/08 10:29 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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As soon as the aliens show up and show the world that they are indeed the gods we've been genuflecting to for thousands of years, the better off we're gonna be.  :smirk:




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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: downforpot]
    #8343593 - 04/29/08 10:41 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

as fucked up as it is, let them keep killing each other. if thats the way their society works, who are we to tell them they're wrong?

that's like them coming over here and saying that democracy is wrong and we need a theocratic govt. to the other side, it's ludicrous.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: ChiefThunderbong]
    #8343596 - 04/29/08 10:41 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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While I was wrong to say honor killings are part of Sharia law, this stuff does happen around the world and there is no denying it. Plug your ears, stamp your feet, and play the ignorance card if it tickles your fancy, but it does not change the facts of life.




I never said honor killings do not happen, you are missing my point. These things may happen, and many more fucked up things probably happen. My point is that muslims are not the only ones who commit attrocities and you should not believe every "story" you read. It's all fucking propaganda like I said from the start.




Agreed. Its only hardline extremists that really agree with honor killings. Most Muslims wouldn't agree with that. The Koran says that women should be treated fairly, with love and kindness, and they should be educated, etc. Its people who twist the meanings and only look at one passage to prove a point instead of the entire book that preach violence and hatred. And to whoever earlier laughed at the idea that Islam is a religion of peace... it is. Have you ever even read the Koran? Jihad means struggle, not 'holy war'. Greater Jihad is the internal struggle, the struggle for inner purity, and the struggle to do what is right. Lesser Jihad is actual fighting. And Allah provides rules for fighting in the Koran, fair rules. He says "kill them wherever they kill you", but to stop fighting when your enemy stops fighting you.
Try some reading and education over blanket statements about other cultures and religions. People equally all over the world are filled with hate and ignorance, its not a trait belonging to only Muslims, or all Muslims. I know several Muslims who came to America from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon, and this kind of shit (honor killings) disgusts them.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #8343618 - 04/29/08 10:46 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

Some people want to kill Islamofascists. Who are you to tell them they are wrong?


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #8343635 - 04/29/08 10:49 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Some people want to kill Islamofascists. Who are you to tell them they are wrong?




But it's their culture, that's all. Everyone has their own cultures, lol.


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: downforpot]
    #8343655 - 04/29/08 10:53 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

i didn't


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: AScannerDarkly]
    #8343756 - 04/29/08 11:07 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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Sorry to burst your bubble but an AH-64 apache is not a police car.






ever serve in combat?


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: MistaUNGA]
    #8343763 - 04/29/08 11:08 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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as fucked up as it is, let them keep killing each other. if thats the way their society works, who are we to tell them they're wrong?




I'm all about encouragement


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: AScannerDarkly]
    #8343774 - 04/29/08 11:10 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

That was a COOL video if those terrorist getting shot

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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: niteowl]
    #8346013 - 04/30/08 03:33 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

I love that video lmao...


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Coaster]
    #8346886 - 04/30/08 08:30 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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No, not really. Maybe it did, I'm not saying it definatly did not....but I think there is just as much a chance of it being made up to promote hatred towards muslims thus supporting a religious war.



ya i kinda got that vibe too

like how the brothers just started helping just like that, its hard to just kill a sibling so easily, even for muslims




i dont see how it would be hard to kill a sibling if you are a minor,under sized,underweght and your father is a fucking psycho


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8346907 - 04/30/08 08:35 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

given that violence is a part of every day life for most people in 3rd world nations it's not difficult at all


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8346912 - 04/30/08 08:36 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

yep they porbably knew that if they didnt help theyd be joining her in a shallow rock grave


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: alphabeatu]
    #8347457 - 04/30/08 11:15 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

if only every1 wasnt so desensitized by murders
although i hate censorship, i can see how it can be good


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Re: Girl, 17, killed in Iraq for loving a British soldier (HONOR KILLING) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #8347572 - 04/30/08 11:41 PM (5 years, 1 month ago)

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given that violence is a part of every day life for most people in 3rd world nations it's not difficult at all




What about those that happen in 1st world countries?


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