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 Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen 
#8297438 - 04/17/08 08:17 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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The school crotch investigation
Jacob Sullum
The Washington Times
4.6.08
There are two kinds of people in the world: the kind who think it's perfectly reasonable to strip search a 13-year-old girl suspected of bringing ibuprofen to school, and the kind who think those people should be kept as far away from children as possible.
The first group includes officials at Safford Middle School in Safford, Ariz., who in 2003 forced eighth-grader Savana Redding to prove she was not concealing Advil in her crotch or cleavage.
It also includes two judges on the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, who last fall ruled the strip search did not violate Savana's Fourth Amendment rights. The full court, which recently heard oral arguments in the case, now has an opportunity to overturn that decision and vote against a legal environment in which schoolchildren are conditioned to believe government agents have the authority to subject people to invasive, humiliating searches on the slightest pretext.
Safford Middle School has a "zero tolerance" policy that prohibits possession of all drugs, including not just alcohol and illegal intoxicants but prescription medications and over-the-counter remedies, "except those for which permission to use in school has been granted."
In October 2003, acting on a tip, Vice Principal Kerry Wilson found a few 400-milligram ibuprofen pills (each equivalent to two over-the-counter tablets) and one nonprescription naproxen tablet in the pockets of a student, who claimed Savana was her source.
Savana, an honors student with no history of disciplinary trouble or drug problems, said she didn't know anything about the pills and agreed to a search of her backpack, which turned up nothing incriminating. Mr. Wilson nevertheless instructed a female secretary to strip search Savana under the school nurse's supervision, without even bothering to contact the girl's mother.
The secretary had Savana take off all her clothing except her underwear. Then she told her to "pull her bra out and to the side and shake it, exposing her breasts," and "pull her underwear out at the crotch and shake it, exposing her pelvic area." Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between drug warriors and child molesters.
"I was embarrassed and scared," Savana said in an affidavit, "but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked. I held my head down so they could not see I was about to cry." She called it "the most humiliating experience I have ever had." Later, she recalled, the principal, Robert Beeman, said, "he did not think the strip search was a big deal because they did not find anything."
The U.S. Supreme Court has held that a public school official's search of a student is constitutional if it is "justified at its inception" and "reasonably related in scope to the circumstances which justified the interference in the first place." This search was neither.
When Mr. Wilson ordered the search, the only evidence Savana had violated school policy was the uncorroborated accusation from a girl named Marissa, who was in trouble herself and eager to shift the blame. Even Marissa (who had pills in her pockets, not her underwear) did not claim Savana currently possessed any pills, let alone that she had hidden them under her clothes.
Savana, who was closely supervised after Wilson approached her, did not have an opportunity to stash contraband. As the American Civil Liberties Union puts it, "There was no reason to suspect that a 13-year-old honor-roll student with a clean disciplinary record had adopted drug-smuggling practices associated with international narcotrafficking, or to suppose that other middle-school students would willingly consume ibuprofen that was stored in another student's crotch."
The invasiveness of the search also has to be weighed against the evil it was aimed at preventing. "Remember," the school district's lawyer recently told ABC News by way of justification, "this was prescription-strength ibuprofen." It's a good thing the school took swift action, before anyone got unauthorized relief from menstrual cramps.
Jacob Sullum is a nationally syndicated columnist.
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 Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: Coaster]
#8297445 - 04/17/08 08:20 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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 I swear, this sort of shit gets more ridiculous every day. 
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: ToiletDuk]
#8297484 - 04/17/08 08:29 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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i just can't believe anyone would think thats a reasonable thing to do...
like i just honestly can't understand it.
to be honest though, i went to three high schools, and at all three faculty were absolutely insane drunk on power over kids.
they act like school is a huge deal... i don't know, it blows my mind, its like they're turning schools into prison.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: Coaster]
#8297494 - 04/17/08 08:31 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Feel free to let this jackass know what you think:
Wilson, Kerry, Mr.
# Assistant Principal
View Department Web Site
Room: SMS_Office
Phone: 928-348-7040 ext. 3248
E-Mail: KWilson@saffordusd.k12.az.us
And the school's email:
apedrego@SaffordUSD.k12.az.us
I believe this is the guy:
It may be the principle, but doesn't look like the other pic of him on the site. Fucking idiot.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: johnm214]
#8297626 - 04/17/08 08:56 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: ToiletDuk]
#8297667 - 04/17/08 09:05 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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If they ever strip searched my daughter or sister, they better hope they have a real mean left hook, or else ill probly take their face apart for them. 
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: ToiletDuk]
#8297678 - 04/17/08 09:09 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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edit - nevermind, I can't afford to have cops on my ass atm.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: astronaut]
#8297694 - 04/17/08 09:12 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
astronaut said:
edit - nevermind, I can't afford to have cops on my ass atm.
if your in the US the cops are ALWAYS on your ass...
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: rodfarva]
#8298507 - 04/17/08 11:46 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I expressed my thoughts to his email. If I ever seen this guy in person I would go off and probably end up in jail.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: jeverden]
#8299001 - 04/18/08 01:30 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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You guys know that after Columbine and shit they're allowed to do this? Children, specifically students, have basically no rights at all inside the school. Administrators can strip search you at any time without giving you a reason if they want to.
They can take this to court all they want but they did not break the law.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: jeverden]
#8299047 - 04/18/08 01:39 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: learningtofly]
#8299092 - 04/18/08 01:50 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
learningtofly said:
You guys know that after Columbine and shit they're allowed to do this? Children, specifically students, have basically no rights at all inside the school. Administrators can strip search you at any time without giving you a reason if they want to.
They can take this to court all they want but they did not break the law.
By having two females there, they didn't.
Now if there had been a male there.That would have been illegal..At lest they didn't take out the gloves and dig in..
But to take a girl that never done anything wrong, for OTC pills was a bit to far...
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: Brainiac]
#8299135 - 04/18/08 02:02 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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It violates the constitution not that the thing really matters anymore. We have almost completely done away with it. Mights as well let bush take a dump and use it as toilet paper.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: learningtofly]
#8299172 - 04/18/08 02:10 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
learningtofly said:
You guys know that after Columbine and shit they're allowed to do this? Children, specifically students, have basically no rights at all inside the school. Administrators can strip search you at any time without giving you a reason if they want to.
They can take this to court all they want but they did not break the law.
This is not true. And the fact that the court is apparently convening en banc means it will likely be reversed.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: jeverden]
#8299175 - 04/18/08 02:12 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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We are setting up two places with constitutions.When, we don't even follow our own...
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: Coaster]
#8299743 - 04/18/08 06:08 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Safford Middle School has a "zero tolerance" policy that prohibits possession of all drugs, including not just alcohol and illegal intoxicants but prescription medications and over-the-counter remedies, "except those for which permission to use in school has been granted."
Why can a school usurp the authority of a board licensed medical doctor and place my daughter in harm by refusing to allow her to take her prescribed medication at school?
Zero tolerance? More like zero thinking.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: johnm214]
#8299840 - 04/18/08 07:42 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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johnm214 said:
E-Mail: KWilson@saffordusd.k12.az.us
I sent that guy an email with some "shock site" pictures on it because I thought it would be funny. Would be even funnier if a bunch of people did it. If you want send the same thing that I did. Very NSFW. Just copy and paste. Hopefully his email will display images.
Edited by dtugg (04/18/08 07:43 AM)
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: dtugg]
#8300068 - 04/18/08 10:48 AM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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here is what I just wrote to him via email
Mr. Kerry Wilson
I would call you about this situation to inform you in person about the details, but I would rather not embarass you anymore. In regards to the situation that happend in October 2003, I am sickend to the point of nonbelief. I have recently read about the situation that occured and think to myself, "how could you"? You have violated not only a poor young womans life, but you have caused so much tramatic attention to her, I don't know you can sleep at night. Who gives you the right to make such actions? Your actions rank up there with moltestors in the book of everybody in our BLAW class that I am writing to you in regards. Since your actions have gone without punishment I just wanted to let you know that in the middle of our campus (20,000) students; the entire court case, and news reports with a large poster with your face on in with the words, "I make 13 year old honor students get naked in school". Congrats on becomming the biggest waste of space the tax payers of Arizona have ever spent on. Your 36" x 36" poster looks great, and im sure our campus would welcome you to give a speech on , "The ethics of teachers in the US". Please respond to my email if you would like to give the presentation, so I can make sure that all students from U of M, NDSU, U of M Mankato, North Dakota... are also welcomed to listen to your wisdom.
All over OTC painkillers, you have wronged the life of a beautiful young child.
"I was embarrassed and scared," Savana said in an affidavit, "but felt I would be in more trouble if I did not do what they asked. I held my head down so they could not see I was about to cry." She called it "the most humiliating experience I have ever had." Later, she recalled, the principal, Robert Beeman, said, "he did not think the strip search was a big deal because they did not find anything."
You sir are a proven fact, that there is hell.
XXXXXX
XXXXXX University
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: Seuss]
#8300461 - 04/18/08 12:38 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Seuss said:
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Safford Middle School has a "zero tolerance" policy that prohibits possession of all drugs, including not just alcohol and illegal intoxicants but prescription medications and over-the-counter remedies, "except those for which permission to use in school has been granted."
Why can a school usurp the authority of a board licensed medical doctor and place my daughter in harm by refusing to allow her to take her prescribed medication at school?
Zero tolerance? More like zero thinking.
My high school had a No Tolerance policy as well. Students that had to take prescription medication to school had to have papers signed by parents and the school nurse. The medication was kept on school grounds and was only to be dispensed at the clinic at the exact time needed. I would think most schools that subscribe to No Tolerance would follow something along those lines.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: WoodsCall]
#8300973 - 04/18/08 03:15 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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> The medication was kept on school grounds and was only to be dispensed at the clinic at the exact time needed.
Sorry, but when my daughter has an asthma attack, she needs her inhaler NOW, which is why she carries it with her at all times. The prescription reads "Use as needed", not "use at a scheduled time". I am so glad that I moved out of the US... it is embarrassing what is happening to a once great country in the name of zero tolerance.
And the Irony... most people in the US claim to be Christian. I guess I must have missed the part where Jesus taught people to judge with zero tolerance rather than to love, understand, accept, and forgive.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: Seuss]
#8301722 - 04/18/08 06:57 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry, but when my daughter has an asthma attack, she needs her inhaler NOW, which is why she carries it with her at all times. The prescription reads "Use as needed", not "use at a scheduled time". I am so glad that I moved out of the US... it is embarrassing what is happening to a once great country in the name of zero tolerance.
But school administrators have a hard job. Their job is hard. If you had a hard job you'd understand how hard it is to administer a school- it's hard. Strip searching kids may be wrong but we must understand how hard it is to run a school, and how hard it is to know its not good to strip a girl to her panties, very very hard to realize.
(substitute "school administrators" with "police" as needed)
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: johnm214]
#8301817 - 04/18/08 07:21 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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I couldn't be a school administrator.I would whip the first kid that talk back to me..
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: johnm214]
#8301903 - 04/18/08 07:39 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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> But school administrators have a hard job.
Ah yes, I keep forgetting the difficulties of preparing young sheep for a life in the United Police States of the American Union formerly known as the western hemisphere.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: Coaster]
#8301905 - 04/18/08 07:40 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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Was he in the room when she was strip searched? Because if he was, then he should be hung.
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Re: Disturbing article, 13 year old honor student strip searched for ibuprofen [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8301917 - 04/18/08 07:43 PM (5 years, 1 month ago) |
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> Was he in the room when she was strip searched?
Based on the article, I doubt it. Sounds like the school nurse (assumed to be female) and school secretary (also assumed to be female) were the ones in the room with the child. All assumptions on my part.
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