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about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes.
    #8165224 - 03/19/08 03:31 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

My invitros gave me some pretty nice yields (for invitro)... but are refusing to fruit again once I stuck them back in the jars.

its been about 4 weeks, so I guess there not gonna fruit again. (Ive seen another strain fruit flush after flush with invitro, i dont know why this one wont, but whatever)

do you think theyd fruit if placed in a terrarium, its already been close to 4 weeks of nothing?


so anyway, Im gonna make some tea since they wont grow shroomies :smile:

Im gonna drink it with my boy (probably not all of it as 16 is a shitload). I was just wondering if it matters when you drink it? can I drink it cold? can I drink it a few days later? does it go bad?

thanks for any responses.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: jaytonbye]
    #8165323 - 03/19/08 04:15 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, this is the second time I've seen someone say you can use the actual mycelium growing on the substrate for a psy experience.

Is this true or myth?

Are the cakes psychoactive themselves?


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: AbominableShaman]
    #8165369 - 03/19/08 04:45 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

1-truth, 2-myc contains alkoloids


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: resptodd]
    #8165415 - 03/19/08 05:57 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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1-truth, 2-myc contains alkoloids




True, but the levels are so low its not worth you doing this.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: bwoy]
    #8165424 - 03/19/08 06:11 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

yo resptodd. What up?


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: bwoy]
    #8165429 - 03/19/08 06:16 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Well, yeah, but 16 cakes ought to do it  :crankdre:


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: skateordont]
    #8165463 - 03/19/08 06:51 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Good luck. Generally this is foolery, but with old cakes who knows.

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DETECTING PSYCHOACTIVE DRUGS IN THE DEVELOPMENTAL STAGES OF MUSHROOMS
The genus and species of Psilocybe mushrooms that were grown were identified as Psilocybe cyanescens. The pleurocystidia sizes noted in the keys describing the Psilocybe cyanescens mushroom varied slightly from the mushrooms grown. This may indicate a variant of this species (communication with Dr. David McLaughlin, Plant Biology Department, University of Minnesota) (2,4,5-8).

METHODS

The spores used in this experiment were obtained legally through an advertisement in High Times Magazine from Psylocybe Fanaticus (PFTek Seattle, WA). The spores were received in 10 mL syringes in an aqueous solution. The spore solutions were each viewed using a 1250X-magnification microscope.

The original spore solutions were analyzed by TLC and by GC/MS. No psilocyn or psilocybin were detected in any of the spore solutions.

Psilocybin was not detectable in the new mycelium or the spreading mycelium (analyzed by TCL and GC/MS).

Psilocybin was detectable by TLC and GC/MS methods in the mature mycelium when it begins to form "Hyphal knots" - pinheads and primordia. And of course the growing shrooms had detectable psilocybin also.
CONCLUSION

The psychoactive drugs psilocyn and psilocybin were not detected in the mycelium, the earliest stage of development of the mushroom. These drugs were identified in the mycelium knots, the earliest stages of the fruiting body of the mushroom.

The author (Susan Gross) wishes to acknowledge Dr. David McLaughlin, Plant Biology Department, University of Minnesota for his time and assistance in identifying the mushroom, and his explanations about the classifIcations of fungi and the development of the mushroom. This project was supported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Minneapolis Office which generously provided the supplies.




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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: fastfred]
    #8165694 - 03/19/08 10:36 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I have personally met someone who used an old cake to make tea. He broke it up by hand into some cranberry juice which was brought to boiling and simmered. This was strained (so no vermiculite/mycelium in the actual tea) and the juice was then imbibed. One cake produced a mild, but very significant trip. Probably about a gram and a half dried worth.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: asknoquestions]
    #8165759 - 03/19/08 11:13 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

i say give it a shot and tell us what happens


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: tahoe]
    #8165773 - 03/19/08 11:17 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:

Yeah, I don't wanna do it, but I wanna know if t works.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: dill705]
    #8165789 - 03/19/08 11:22 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

seems like it would taste like ass...don't know if i could stomach... i mean im sure you would pull some alkaloids but wouldn't you pull verm brown rice flour.... ughhhhhh yuck


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: dill705]
    #8165794 - 03/19/08 11:24 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

about 9am i took that wbs cake i had and boiled it in water, honey, makers mark.

I am having a level 1 trip.. no visuals but things do kinda "breathe" I jut got done watching 300, which was pretty bad ass..

the cake method works but its not very strong, and dont tell me boiling kills the psych's because that ain't true, night before last I boiled a bunch of aborts from a coir cake and I tripped so hard I couldnt type, walk, stand, all I could do was lay down, weightless , time escaped colors flourished and rivers of patterns would flow across the edges of carpets and pictures, I would look outside and it reminded me of something like the movie beetlejuice or shrek, trees looked "fake" but not like fake as you would think, more like a CGI type thing...

anyways im trippin a little, and its from a boiled cake sorry ifg im ramblin but its hard to focus but its easier to talk.. colors are amzing right now and the shroomery board colors are fuckin badass...

i could go on and on but you get the ideA


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: shevanel]
    #8165802 - 03/19/08 11:26 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

use honey and it taste just like green tea, its not as bad as you think... im going to be drinking this all day, i gotta be at work in a few hours and I hope to be trippin nuts


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: shevanel]
    #8165803 - 03/19/08 11:27 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I say your wasting your fucking cakes on something you could have such a better trip/yield from. Mushroom mycelium doesn't have nearly as much alkaloids as the mushroom themselves. You'd be wasting a hell of a lot. Do what you will though.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8165817 - 03/19/08 11:32 AM (5 years, 2 months ago)

id reccomend it after they stop growing mushrooms.. u dont wanna eat up all your crops so just boil the cake

espcilly for us new to growing, like me, crops arent easy to come by...


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: shevanel]
    #8166532 - 03/19/08 03:07 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

well my cakes stopped growing after one fucking flush. and since it's been 4 weeks i'm thinking it might be to late to stick them in a terrarium?????

that's why i'm gonna make some tea.

I just woke up, so I'm gonna make some new cakes... and then it's tea time :smile:


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: jaytonbye]
    #8166580 - 03/19/08 03:18 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

dump the cakes into 100% cranberry juice.
crush up several vitamin c tablets and toss em in.
cover :rolleyes:, shake the shit out of it.
strain the juice through an old t-shirt, squeeze it out good.

enjoy your frothy :eek: cranberry cocktail.

this works best with unfruited mycelia, but should work with old cakes as well.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: themycologist]
    #8166734 - 03/19/08 03:49 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

WTF WTF WTF???? they are starting to pin again! argh, what would cause 4 weeks between flushes? lack of airflow?

(only like 3 started to pin, i'm still gonna make some tea)


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: jaytonbye]
    #8166858 - 03/19/08 04:14 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

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well my cakes stopped growing after one fucking flush. and since it's been 4 weeks i'm thinking it might be to late to stick them in a terrarium?????

that's why i'm gonna make some tea.

I just woke up, so I'm gonna make some new cakes... and then it's tea time




DEHYDRATED! DUNK THEM!


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8166874 - 03/19/08 04:17 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

they're not dehydrated. i've opened them and they feel good.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: jaytonbye]
    #8166880 - 03/19/08 04:18 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

You're doing something else wrong then if they're not going into their second flush. DUNK THEM ANYWAYS BTW.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8166930 - 03/19/08 04:26 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I did dunk them and they haven't flushed since... you think I should dunk again???

I've done invitro b4 and had multiple flushes and i'm doing the exact same thing I've done in the past (the only thing I could think of is air exchange as I used a diferent drill bit last time)

RR said that sometimes invitro's only give 1 flush, could it just be the strain that i'm using?

I don't see how it could be anything else, because I did get a good initial flush.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: jaytonbye]
    #8167008 - 03/19/08 04:39 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

How long did you dunk? What does your terrarium consists of?


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8167042 - 03/19/08 04:46 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not using a terrarium for these cakes... I just put them back into the jars. I have a terrarium, but it was occupied at the time so I didn't put these cakes in it.

do you think putting them in at this point would be beneficial?

thanks


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: jaytonbye]
    #8167067 - 03/19/08 04:52 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Yes.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8167214 - 03/19/08 05:18 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

ok, i will then... last questions though:

re-dunk and roll?

and as for the ones that started growing invitro again:

should I pick off the aborts and dunk and roll again? or just let them grow out?

appreciate it.

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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: jaytonbye]
    #8167414 - 03/19/08 05:50 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Pf kinda sucks invitro. Hell invitro sucks. You'll get better results fruiting it in a $20 worth of materials Terrarium.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: jaytonbye]
    #8167429 - 03/19/08 05:52 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, lack of air flow. Lower CO2 levels are a primary pinning trigger.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: Frost000]
    #8167540 - 03/19/08 06:09 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

ok... so what should I do?

a) place cakes into a terrarium even though they've been invitro doing nothing for a month. (and should I re-dunk N roll?)

b) increase airflow by opening them once a day?

c) just make tea and start over.

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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: jaytonbye]
    #8167762 - 03/19/08 06:38 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

1. 5 inches of well drained perlite NOT MIRACLE GROW PERLITE
2. Drill 1/4th inch holes all over while still maintaing 100% rH
3. Invest in a Analog Hygrometer.
4. Leave lid ajar
5. Mist and fan at least twice a day UNTIL YOU SEE PINS, THEN STOP. MIST BEFORE FAN
6. Wait and Harvest.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8167843 - 03/19/08 06:52 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

hey dumbfounded why not miracle gro perlite? i can't remember if mine is miracle gro or not... but just asking :smile:


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: jaytonbye]
    #8167916 - 03/19/08 07:04 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I did 8 pf cakes, ground up, soked for 4 hours, strained and drank. Taste like shit and no form of a buzz, don't waste your time.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: thedoc8]
    #8168229 - 03/19/08 07:52 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Because it contains nutrition. Mold/Contamination/Bacteria lives on it.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #8168294 - 03/19/08 08:03 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I can vouch for tea knocking me on my ass.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: bryanbzl]
    #8168330 - 03/19/08 08:08 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Regular shroom tea, bryanbzl or mycelium tea? Personally I wouldn't drink mycelium tea.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: Frost000]
    #8168347 - 03/19/08 08:11 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

I checked the ingredients on my miracle grow perlite, and it's fine. It's just perlite, haven't had any problems.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: bryanbzl]
    #8168355 - 03/19/08 08:15 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

bryanbzl said:
I can vouch for tea knocking me on my ass.




For the record, I've done this with a few spent cakes. It works, but very mild effects. More for the "waste not want not" crowd than anything.

To those concerned about taste any shroomy tea...throw a packet of hot cocoa mix in with it. :thumbup:


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: slackophage]
    #8168442 - 03/19/08 08:32 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

The guy I know thought it tasted exactly like cranberry juice. It was strained. People need to lighten up. No one is suggesting that you just brew up cakes. Rather, if you have an unproductive/exhausted cake you can get something from it.

Just make sure to boil it in cranberry juice. Just straining doesn't seem to work.


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Re: about to make cake tea out of 16 cakes. [Re: asknoquestions]
    #8168541 - 03/19/08 08:57 PM (5 years, 2 months ago)

use cranberry juice... i heard it works better. i used like 4 full pint cakes of WBS... cuz i had no room to spawn it and felt like experimenting.


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