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 mistadobalina
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 State of Music 
#8097835 - 03/03/08 04:21 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone else notice that music has grown cold? like the powerful ties to your emotions and warmth of the soul has been disconnected? it seems to me that in today's world everything is negative and art has been perverted into a money making machine. It also seems that many people are disillusioned with what music is and what its about. Of course there has always been mainstream music, songs or bands tied solely to go along with certain situations in culture (skateboarding + Sum-41, Blink-182, and such), and there have always been real bands that dug deep and presented universal messages and melodies that inspire others to do the same. (The Clash, Marley and The Wailers, 311). Those are bands that have successfully inspired other bands with a warm sound and deep messages. I would include Sublime as an inspirational newer band, seeing as they have inspired many bands to mimic theyre sound, truth is though the sound of them has lent itself to many shitty white boy reggae clone bands. Neil Young recently said he doesnt think music can move people anymore or make a difference. I disagree, i think people are in dire need of more better art more than ever. the negative forces are at work these days and people think they are not worthy to create decent art. This leads to people thinking the music has died, and thus creating negative feedback about everything that comes out. Nothing contructive. Aynone else feel the current state of music sucks?
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Don't really know what in the hell yer talking about. I find new bands that amaze me with their music and have a powerful emotional effect on me all the time. Bands that are relatively young and new that I can name off the top of my head - Papercuts, Menomena, The Felice Brothers, Bon Iver.
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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.
-Erik Davis
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dill705
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I hear ya man. Music just aint what it used to be, but, either is life. More people than ever are mentally diconnected to the world.
I mean think about 1500 years ago, When everyone depended on farming, foraging, and hunting. Then tell them that the planet is gonna get hotter and hotter because of something they can change, until one day, the plants are gonna wilt and the animals are gonna start dying.
What do you think they'd do? Think about all the immediate gratifacation nowadays. You don't even have to talk to a girl to get laid anymore. You just turn on the computer and jerk it to porn.
Instead of all our kids going outside and playing and learning what's acceptable social behavior through experience, we shelter our kids from anything that could hurt them and then sit them in front of spongebob and they end up like my roommate.
"Wow the presidential race is so interesting!!!" she says during a recent debate. Not 2 minutes later she asked to watch Nickelodeon. DUMBASS!!!
Music simply is a representaion of how our culture is going to shit. No one cares about making good music, they care about making money, and the people of today's society don't want to listen to interesting, developed music ideas. They want to listen to songs that flow wit htheir mindset. They just don't care.
But anyways, welcome to the Shroomery 
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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.
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I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!
~dill705~
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Mindspin420
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Re: State of Music [Re: dill705]
#8098008 - 03/03/08 05:06 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Music has been tainted. it is most certainly not what it was, i mean look what gets mainstream attention. its crap.
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 jewunit
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Seems to me the stuff that's been getting mainstream attention has been crap for years and years and year (the Beatles are partially to blame for this, by the way.) I don't know where people come off with these rants, can you cite, exactly, what you mean? I have no problem finding new and good music, I think you just allow yourself to think that top 40 music represents all music and the current state of music, which I disagree with. OR if I did agree with it, I would argue that it has for as long as top 40 has been around.
And by the way, I have no qualms with top 40 music, it does what it's supposed to, which is to entertain, and to me that is the basic purpose of all music. If you really wanted me to I'm confident I could put forth an argument that the most popular music is the purest form of music in western civilization.
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Madtowntripper said:
It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
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marshalldylan1
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Re: State of Music [Re: jewunit]
#8098282 - 03/03/08 06:12 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is still good music out there......
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Penguarky Tunguin
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Turn off your tv and radio...
Find new music out for yourself.
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dill705
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I'm a step ahead though.
I've created my own music, which is heavily blues and early rock/classic rock based, and it's hard to find other's with the same ambitions. They just want to make a quick dollar playing the local emo scene and I'm just not all about it.
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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.
-Icelander-
I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!
~dill705~
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mistadobalina
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Re: State of Music [Re: dill705]
#8098489 - 03/03/08 07:00 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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tv is always off and i dont own a radio. I search thru blogspots for new underground music every morning. The only thing that still moves me is hip-hop, underground mc's and anything that sounds like it has passion behind it.
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You need to search harder. I've had no problems finding music with soul or passion.
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lukeboots
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Music is in a great place. Even "world music" has been starting to suck less in the last few years, probably thanks to an ever-growing ability to hear new things that came from thousands of miles away.
Hip hop is doing well, there's a semi-new folk revival going on pretty much all over the states, it seems to me like jazz is still doing its thing and evolving..
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dill705
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Re: State of Music [Re: lukeboots]
#8099689 - 03/03/08 11:36 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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doing it's thing doesn't mean that the music and it's theory/application is changing. Doing ones thing sounds more like what a pothead says about getting a job.
And hip-hop really isn't going anywhere either. Think of all the rappers of the 90's compared to today. There's just not as many rappers today that appeal to the whole audience.
And you may say I have a closed mind, I've heard it before, but sampling someone else's music isn't bettering the state of music.
Rap evolved from slavery when blacks went out in the fields they would hum notes that became known as the pentatonic minor scale, meanwhile they would come up with beats played by slapping the hands on various parts of the body, emphasizing beats two and four (called a back beat).
Blues and R&B evolved from this pasttime, then rock took Country & Western, Pop, and the Blues and made modern music. Minus Rap
Rap took the idea of rythymn took out the featured instruments that typically provide musical integrity and mood, replacing it with words (typically non-musical), spoken with a rythymn.
Besides rap being non-musical, still entertaining sounds, that scene has been pretty stagnant for about a year.
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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.
-Icelander-
I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!
~dill705~
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jewunit
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Re: State of Music [Re: dill705]
#8099701 - 03/03/08 11:38 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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What happened a year ago that made it not stagnant?
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Madtowntripper said:
It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
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Re: State of Music [Re: jewunit]
#8099728 - 03/03/08 11:46 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just a relative timeline. I really just don't follow today's music that much. Think about it. Two years couldn't pass in the 1940's without music undergoing a radical change or many new stars emerged. Today, the world population has I'm sure added at least 2 Billion people, we're all connected by plane, phone, and internet.
When I look at all those factors, music has been stagnant since Nirvana...
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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.
-Icelander-
I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!
~dill705~
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jewunit
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Re: State of Music [Re: dill705]
#8099750 - 03/03/08 11:51 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
dill705 said:
I really just don't follow today's music that much.
You've completely discredited everything you've said and will say with this statement, but I'll pretend I didn't read that for sake of argument.
First off, the advent of the internet and other forms of mass media makes it harder, in my opinion, to radically change music. Artists are constantly hearing other artists, and therefore will, whether purposely or not, include those influences in whatever they make.
I think what you said about hip-hop is completely wrong. Maybe from a mainstream point of view it is, but even then, new styles have come about, like the whole chop and screw style as one example.
You think Nirvana was the last time there was a radical change in music? What did they radically change? Grunge isn't even a major player in music, at least not the majority of music I listen to. Not to mention how it evolved. You can also go back and back and back and say well, Nirvana wouldn't exist if it weren't for this band, and that band wouldn't have existed if it weren't for so and so band before them. That's just how it works.
Do you listen to jazz? There have been some major artists who are changing the face of popular jazz. Roy Hargrove, Joshua Redman, and Chris Potter all come to mind. Check 'em out, and tell me jazz has stayed stagnant.
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Madtowntripper said:
It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
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Re: State of Music [Re: dill705]
#8099768 - 03/03/08 11:55 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is one of those arguments that will never stop being made. I bet you anything that 20,000 years ago, in the jungles of Africa, the elders would tell the young ones how good music used to be and how its now being corrupted.
This argument is one that is not just in music, but every facet of life. I call it the 'good ole days' argument.
I think this happens because the mind tends to find comfort in a time period and when that time begins to fall away, we long for it back. As time goes on, we also have a very nice way of letting go of troubled memories (making that time seem even better.) This together creates 'the good ole' days'.
Music is always changing. It morphs and shifts, bleeding into a tree of other genres. Just enjoy what we have right now, because I can't recall one time in history when music hasn't been mind blowing. It always has...and always will be. Let the gems of every genre shine and stop wining about wanting them back...I know a hell of a lot more are on their way (judging from what I've seen.)
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jewunit
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Re: State of Music [Re: Toddo]
#8099784 - 03/03/08 11:59 PM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just enjoy what we have right now, because I can't recall one time in history when music hasn't been mind blowing.
I wasn't alive (well, I was, for part but I was an infant), but I can't imagine the 80s blowing anything but my asshole.
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Madtowntripper said:
It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
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Re: State of Music [Re: jewunit]
#8099856 - 03/04/08 12:19 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh come on! The 80's had its own charm and you know it.
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Re: State of Music [Re: jewunit]
#8099901 - 03/04/08 12:33 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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jewunit said:
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Toddo said:
Just enjoy what we have right now, because I can't recall one time in history when music hasn't been mind blowing.
I wasn't alive (well, I was, for part but I was an infant), but I can't imagine the 80s blowing anything but my asshole.
Get yourself some Devo and some Depeche Mode, STAT.
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-Erik Davis
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dill705
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Re: State of Music [Re: Toddo]
#8099956 - 03/04/08 12:47 AM (5 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope the 80's didn't have much charm. In response to my not listening to current music (very much), I do it, because, as a guitar player, I feel my ears are a valuable tool in making my own music, and the fact of the matter is that the vast majority of music as it relates to guitar is dumbed down beyond my level.
Granted that there have been some amazing newer bands like Dragonforce.
Now understand that I don't like them, but they push music further so I respect them. I can tell you that most bands today rely on the tonally dead power chords, played in scales and modes that have been known for decades and in most cases centuries. "Music" is hardly ever pushed beyond what it already is.
Now jazz is a whole different subject. I think that jazz is so fundamentally different that progression is easier, because it takes actual musical talent to just play jazz. Hence, these people have the ability to take their music to a new and unexplored place.
Rap simply can't be taken to a new place, it always has been someone talking over a beat, often stolen from it's originators. Anytime I see a new rap artist it's all about the new voice, lyrical content, and all to often, "Gangsta" status... Remember the story about how many times that 50 Cent was shot when he was a drug dealer. I actually saw him on the View. 
Just to clarify, I'm not into the good ole days, I'm into progression, which has stalled in most cases, compared to previous growths. I also don't "hate" rap. I just think that if someone reads poetry with the rythymn of a bongo then that shold be called rap, too... Or are poetry readers just little white faggots who could never be black enough (reminds me of Barack Obama) to be a "Rapper".
And I only included Nirvana because they changed the publics conception of music. Granted it opened the door for the shit I hear on the radio today which typically is fucking terrible.
Long live the Mars Volta
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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.
-Icelander-
I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!
~dill705~
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