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I'm not American, so I have no idea what's going on with this presidential campaign over there, but from what Ythan has posted Ron Paul sounds like a pretty good candidate. Is Hilary Clinton still in the running?
Quote: roquet said: isn't Ron Paul an arch-conservative? Seems like an odd political choice for users of psychedelics, who I'd imagine might have more liberal views. Reading his Wikipedia page, all he seems to say about drugs is he'd leave it up to individual states. That doesn't necessarily mean they'd be more relaxed - take California, Idaho, and Georgia's rules on mushroom spores, for example.
1. So you want a president who promises to do things he has no constitutional ability to do? Ron Paul has said he believes drugs should be legalized. He's also against abortion.
On both issues he recognizes the tenth amendment reserves those rights to the states. Why should the feds make law affecting local commerce?
Take a look at my signature... think about how far we've come from that ideal and plain meaning of the amendment:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
That's it
2. Ron Paul would surely support a constitutional amendment banning state criminilization of drug possesion.
3. What the hell does an arch-conservative believe in that is antithetical to this board's interests?
He does seem like a good candidate.. but with any candidate from a major party, you can't help but wonder what the catch is...
There is no way that he will be able to achieve all of what he says he will.. at the end of the day the president (whoever it may be) is just a puppet .. a public relations consultant for the 'company'.
This is why democracy will never prevail
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I am all for Ron Paul. There are probably people better suited for the job in the world, but they aren't running.
If he does happen to win, it shows the true power of the american people. If you buy an election, and do wrong...well fuck me. But if you have a grassroots movement, and you win by word of mouth, you certainly have a responsibility more than other candidates to uphold your position.
But to me what it comes down to is that he will stir shit up. Sure, it may get worse...but there is a some light at the end of the tunnel suggesting that it may get better too.
I'm down to try.
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So he's approving more kids growing up in less than ideal positions because abortion was not an option? Poverty, abuse, abandonment and RAPE fall upon a lot these kids who are born unwanted. Never really understood how somone advocating free choice and all that jazz can be against a choice that big. Bringing a life into this nutty world that is. With abortion illegalized, there is only 2 things that can happen: The woman risks her life with dangerous home practices, such as the trusty coathanger. Or, the kid is born into an environment not really to the best ideal for a child. This is not guaranteed, as I know a few examples of unwanted kids that have 'made it', but the ratio of unwanted kids with bad lives far outweigh the ones with good ones.
Second, from the wiki:
Quote: He favors withdrawal from NATO and the United Nations.
? Would someone like to explain this to me, and how it is a good thing? I see this as a superpower wanting to act on it's own without having to explain itself to anyone. (edit: officialy)
ATM, i'm still pretty sceptical on Paul. He seems like a big chunky meatloaf tossed at a starving nation, but who brought that starve around to begin with? Altho, i'll stop there at the risk of sounding like some conspiracy theorist.
For now, i'll join the ranks of "Paul, i hope you're for real" crowd.
So he's approving more kids growing up in less than ideal positions because abortion was not an option? Poverty, abuse, abandonment and RAPE fall upon a lot these kids who are born unwanted. Never really understood how somone advocating free choice and all that jazz can be against a choice that big. Bringing a life into this nutty world that is. With abortion illegalized, there is only 2 things that can happen: The woman risks her life with dangerous home practices, such as the trusty coathanger. Or, the kid is born into an environment not really to the best ideal for a child. This is not guaranteed, as I know a few examples of unwanted kids that have 'made it', but the ratio of unwanted kids with bad lives far outweigh the ones with good ones.
Second, from the wiki:
Quote: He favors withdrawal from NATO and the United Nations.
? Would someone like to explain this to me, and how it is a good thing? I see this as a superpower wanting to act on it's own without having to explain itself to anyone. (edit: officialy)
ATM, i'm still pretty sceptical on Paul. He seems like a big chunky meatloaf tossed at a starving nation, but who brought that starve around to begin with? Altho, i'll stop there at the risk of sounding like some conspiracy theorist.
For now, i'll join the ranks of "Paul, i hope you're for real" crowd.
what the fuck does rape have to do with abortion? The conduct of the mother and father somehow impact the morality of evacuating the womb? How so?
Also, why would you berate someone for personal views he's agreed should not be federal policy? Yes he wants it outlawed, but he wants it done by the states. He's agreed to the federal government has not authority to act on the issue.
Also, donations are nice, but you all need to go out and register as a Republican in time for your state's primaries, if it is necessary to do so, and consider becoming a delegate for Ron Paul in your state.
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Agreed with johnm214, though Paul's abortion stance did bother me at first (and I'm still not rooting for it by any means), I do understand that Paul's primary motivations are to reduce the size and scope of the federal government, returning powers not expressly authorized by the US Constitution, back to the states where matters such as abortion may be decided on a state by state basis. When cast in this light, I think it is an absolutely fair compromise. Afterall, there's such a slim chance that I would suggest it near impossible that all 50 states will outlaw abortion. And for those states with the drive to disallow abortion, I think that is their right, just as it is the right of the people within those states, to move to another state if they so desire!
Quote: He favors withdrawal from NATO and the United Nations.
Again, on the surface I was taken on the negative with these facts as well.. and I still don't support his suggested withdrawal from the UN. But in so far as free-trade is concerned, he is about honest and true free-trade, not elaborate contracts written up between allied nations. In his own words:
Quote: by Ron Paul, Dr. September 10, 2007
Another NAFTA nail is about to be hammered into the coffin Washington is building for the US economy. Within the next few days our borders will be opened to the Mexican trucking industry in an unprecedented way. A "pilot" program is starting which will allow trucks from Mexico to haul goods beyond the 25 mile buffer zone to any point in the United States . Officials claim this is being done with utmost oversight, but Americans still have their legitimate concerns. Rather than securing our borders, we seem to be providing more pores for illegal aliens, drug dealers, and terrorists to permeate.
Not only that, but the anti-competitive and burdensome yoke of over-regulation of our industry at home is about to send a lot more Americans to the unemployment lines. The American Trucking industry has been heavily regulated since 1935. The express purpose of The Motor Carrier Act was to eliminate competition through permitting, regulating tariff rates, even approving routes. American trucking companies have been fighting ever since for some relief from the substantial regulatory burdens placed on them. Regulatory compliance is the single most daunting barrier to entry, and eats up huge amounts of profit. Now, to add insult to injury, Mexican trucking companies, not subject to the same onerous standards, will be allowed to roll right in and squeeze American industry further. This will severely undermine the ability of American trucking companies to remain solvent.
The fact that this is being done in the name of free trade is disturbing. Free trade is not complicated, yet NAFTA and CAFTA are comprised of thousands of pages of complicated legal jargon. All free trade really needs is two words: Low tariffs. Free trade does not require coordination with another government to benefit citizens here. Just like domestic businesses don't pay taxes, foreign businesses do not pay tariffs – consumers do, in the form of higher prices. If foreign governments want to hurt their own citizens with protectionist tariffs, let them. But let us set a good example here, and show the world an honest example of true free trade. And let us stop hurting American workers with mountains of red tape in the name of safety. Safety standards should be set privately, by the industry and by the insurance companies who have the correct motivating factors to do so.
Free trade is not the problem, and pseudo free trade is what is being offered in the wrongly named North American Free Trade Agreement and all its offshoots. The problem is a government-managed economy and the burdensome regulation that results. For our economy to remain competitive in the world, we must remember what it is to be truly free. We must lift the regulatory shackles threatening to sink our industries into oblivion. Free trade begins with freedom domestically, and we can't afford to lose that.
Now I'm not saying, by any stretch of the imagination, that this man is the perfect candidate - but I am most certainly leaning towards the position that he is the best suited candidate for positive change that is currently in the running for the 2008 election. In other words, I think Ron Paul is best suited to reduce government spending and work to eliminate failed or languishing government programs that don't serve to protect our people and often hinder an efficiently run state.
For the rest of you interested in his stance on various hot topics, I suggest reading [the collection of essays at his website]. You can also find a great deal of his voting history throughout his congressional career here.
You can't say the man ain't consistent - and I think we all know how rare that is in politics!
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I'm still finding it hard to believe Paul is Republican,though. What if he gets into office and we get another fucking Bush. Most politicians are just plastic con-men with hidden agendas
Quote: Adagio said: I'm still finding it hard to believe Paul is Republican,though.
Ron Paul is as Republican as they come. What it means to be Republican was hiijacked by the neoconservatives. Everything Ron Paul stands for is pretty darn Republican.
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What if he gets into office and we get another fucking Bush.
Seems quite unlikely - the man is far more intelligent, and he has been standing for the same ideals and issues for the past twenty years or so, consistently voting within the framework of the Constitution.
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Most politicians are just plastic con-men with hidden agendas
If Ron Paul is one of them, he's certainly the most patient and principled. Of course, he is much more capable of holding a hidden agenda much more successfully.
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Well, John McCain tried blaming the United States for Hitler, because our (smart) policy of the time was to not police the world and have a military empire. That is Ron Paul saying , because John McCain is so stupid.
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