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 Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? 
#7368980 - 09/04/07 11:10 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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well, in about a week i will be trying shrooms for the first time.
im the type of person who sticks with natural drugs like weed, salvia, and others. i tend to stay away from coke, acid, and various other man made drugs.
i know that many 'hardcore' drugs can cause permanate mental damage. i have heard all the stories about people goin out to the west coast to do party and do drugs and when they come back their completely different. this is the only thing that scares me about doing shrooms.
i have heard from various people and sites that shrooms can cause permante mental damage. i have no clue if its true or not, im guessing its some anti-drug government/parent run bullshyt to keep kids off drugs but im not sure.
aside from enlightening you on all things spiritually and showing you different points of view on life, can shrooms "burn you out" and completely mess you up?
like i said, from the beginning i have thought that everyone who says that is just sayin it to keep kids off drugs, like they do with weed. however, i dont know much about the long term health risks of shrooms.
can anyone reassure me that im right and tell me that shrooms cant change you like lsd/acid/pills/coke can?
thanks, peace
Edited by Gone333 (09/04/07 11:12 PM)
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Gone333]
#7369032 - 09/04/07 11:22 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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shrooms can change you, but imo not permanently like acid/pills/meth. Just my opinion ive formed through experience. Usually you will feel some after affects for a couple of weeks after excessive shrooming. But they will fade. This is only if you do a) large ammouint or b)frequent dosing.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Gone333]
#7369042 - 09/04/07 11:26 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't believe there has been anything reported/documented referring to mushrooms and long term side effects - unless you consider all the things you may learn from your experiences... I suppose this could be considered negative in someones perception, but not mine (Knowledge is power). There have been reports of people committing suicide, however. Understand though, that mushrooms can really open your mind to who you really are, and some people simply can not handle that, I guess.
Mushrooms won't make your brain bleed or burn holes in it. They basically won't damage you in any of the ways that you have been told or have read about... its all anti-drug propaganda.
By the way, LSD is just as "safe" as mushrooms, the only problem is getting real LSD. LSD is measured in micrograms (.000001g), and as little as 25 mcgs can give one an effect from the drug - you are taking such a small dose that it cannot be physically harmful, and both LSD and Mushrooms are far from addicting, but still very enjoyable. Some people trip once a week and others trip once a month, year, decade, etc. Everyone has their own rate of consumption. There aren't really any valid accounts of people consuming acid and tripping out for the rest of their lives, and having constant, uncontrollable and extremely frightening flashbacks like you have probably heard. Although you may have a completely different perspective on a lot of things in your life, including yourself.
Hope that helps a little
Enjoy your trip, you will have a blast! Just be with the right people in a safe and comfortable environment, and be sure that you are ready to enjoy them.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: wowitch17]
#7369049 - 09/04/07 11:27 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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you have already received biased info.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: THEBats]
#7369057 - 09/04/07 11:29 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well of course he has! All the information he will ever receive is going to be biased.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Gone333]
#7369060 - 09/04/07 11:29 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think anyone can tell you it's going to be 100% safe, just like any drug there could be long turm or short term consequences. I don't think there have been any lab tests (on poor litle mices) that have shown any long negative effects, but there has never been a test on humans in the long term that I know of. I worry about the same thing myself, so far I'm f f f f ff ine !
Then again no ones known the long term effects of using a mobile phone, or breathing in dirty city air ... or watching to much tv for that matter.
I smoked pot for 10 years daily too and acheived many big things during that time.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: THEBats]
#7369062 - 09/04/07 11:30 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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nah im pretty sure if you dose excessivley with any psychedelic you will feel some after effects, depending on the drug they can be temporary or last a loong time.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: cloudtripper]
#7369068 - 09/04/07 11:31 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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cloudtripper said:
I don't think anyone can tell you it's going to be 100% safe, just like any drug there could be long turm or short term consequences. I don't think there have been any lab tests (on poor litle mices) that have shown any long negative effects, but there has never been a test on humans in the long term that I know of. I worry about the same thing myself, so far I'm f f f f ff ine !
Then again no ones known the long term effects of using a mobile phone, or breathing in dirty city air ... or watching to much tv for that matter.
I smoked pot for 10 years daily too and acheived many big things during that time.
Well lets put it this way. It carries about the same risks as eating at Mcdonalds.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: THEBats]
#7369072 - 09/04/07 11:32 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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except you probably won't be getting fat off of mushrooms... not directly anyway.
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yeah McDonalds is probably worse .. stay away from that shit.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: THEBats]
#7369079 - 09/04/07 11:33 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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THEBats said:
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cloudtripper said:
I don't think anyone can tell you it's going to be 100% safe, just like any drug there could be long turm or short term consequences. I don't think there have been any lab tests (on poor litle mices) that have shown any long negative effects, but there has never been a test on humans in the long term that I know of. I worry about the same thing myself, so far I'm f f f f ff ine !
Then again no ones known the long term effects of using a mobile phone, or breathing in dirty city air ... or watching to much tv for that matter.
I smoked pot for 10 years daily too and acheived many big things during that time.
Well lets put it this way. It carries about the same risks as eating at Mcdonalds.
i wouldnt say that man... Psychedelics arent harmless. If used responsibly you should not have any after effects. But if you dose too much too often you will.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: cloudtripper]
#7369082 - 09/04/07 11:34 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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true. I'm just making an example that if you eat a whopper every now and then you don't have much to worry about. Also I never said psychedelics were harmless. Neither is mcdonalds. 
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Gone333]
#7369107 - 09/04/07 11:37 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't call it damage 
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Infested]
#7369116 - 09/04/07 11:40 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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yeah its definately not damage.... I think its your subconcious learning how to use different parts of your mind. And it takes some time to "forget" what youve learned.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: wowitch17]
#7369131 - 09/04/07 11:43 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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shrooms can change you, but imo not permanently like acid/pills/meth. Just my opinion ive formed through experience. Usually you will feel some after affects for a couple of weeks after excessive shrooming. But they will fade. This is only if you do a) large ammouint or b)frequent dosing.
lol..... thats all I feel like saying, you fuggin idiot.
Your opinion says alot about you.
serry. carry on people..............
If you are scared of lsd, then you better be scared of mushrooms.
Not the same thing but..................lol
wowitch17 is a dumbass.
Mushrooms could fuck your world. Just like lsd.
How many ignorant people can possibly be here at the shroomery? If older members are just as stupid, then wouldnt the shroomery just explode and rain ignorance upon the earth?
You want some brain damage use some lsd!.............lol
You want to change your life use mushrooms!
Im kidding, and some of the people here make me sort of sick.
They have dea written all over them or they are just total morons.
"Meh, I think lsd effects you permanently, unlike shrooms". <----anyone who says that is just way out of their element.
Just thank them for bad advise and move on.
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You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Edited by yageman (09/04/07 11:53 PM)
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: yageman]
#7369135 - 09/04/07 11:44 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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haha nice? what are your thoughts?
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: yageman]
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: wowitch17]
#7369176 - 09/04/07 11:51 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol, I love Yageman's fully justified anger. To you, gone333 the only way to completely reassure yourself is to read http://www.shroomery.org/6300/The-Mushroom-and-the-Synapse or another pharmacological analysis to understand what is going on in your head.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: wowitch17]
#7369203 - 09/04/07 11:56 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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haha nice? what are your thoughts?
Yer a dipshit?
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You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: yageman]
#7369213 - 09/04/07 11:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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yageman, if only your could share your love and knowledge to the world.... everyone would be a fucking dipshit.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: wowitch17]
#7369235 - 09/05/07 12:03 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol, you're the one only saying some hallucinogen's have potential to change people.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: wowitch17]
#7369262 - 09/05/07 12:12 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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You group salvia with weed and coke with acid?
Define your perception of damage?
I personally think weed is more damaging than salvia or acid but coke is more damaging than the other three combined.
Confused yet or do ya get it?
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: wowitch17]
#7369280 - 09/05/07 12:22 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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wowitch17 said:
yageman, if only your could share your love and knowledge to the world.... everyone would be a fucking dipshit.
And you will still have no idea.
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wowitch17 said:
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THEBats said:
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cloudtripper said:
I don't think anyone can tell you it's going to be 100% safe, just like any drug there could be long turm or short term consequences. I don't think there have been any lab tests (on poor litle mices) that have shown any long negative effects, but there has never been a test on humans in the long term that I know of. I worry about the same thing myself, so far I'm f f f f ff ine !
Then again no ones known the long term effects of using a mobile phone, or breathing in dirty city air ... or watching to much tv for that matter.
I smoked pot for 10 years daily too and acheived many big things during that time.
Well lets put it this way. It carries about the same risks as eating at Mcdonalds.
i wouldnt say that man... Psychedelics arent harmless. If used responsibly you should not have any after effects. But if you dose too much too often you will.
Wow, that was a pretty dumb ass statement too. Thats weird.
You are one very dumb guy. Im sad that you have made yourself present at the shroomery again.
You are so simple it makes me want to hurl.
Good luck with being kinda ridiculous.
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You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: yageman]
#7369305 - 09/05/07 12:28 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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so much hate....
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Gone333]
#7369321 - 09/05/07 12:35 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well LSD and Mushrooms aren't so different as legend would have you believe, but since this thread is about mushrooms...
Some people have had problems dealing with the mushroom experience, you shouldn't underplay what risk exists, but you should do your research and read plenty of trip reports from various subjects.
You don't permanently mess your brain up although a bad trip can bring anxiety and flashbacks for a period of time that is nowhere near permanent. Some people with mental problems or others may entertain paranoid notions or grandiose delusions.
But going in with fear is likely to greatly increase chances of a negative outcome, like you are creating your own reality. If you believe it will be good, take the right dosage, and prepare with the right set and setting, then I wish you a good trip.
I have not taken mushrooms.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: wowitch17]
#7369339 - 09/05/07 12:41 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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No I just think you say things that dont "belong" here.
Didnt you ever watch Sesame Street as a kid?
You know? That song?
There is no hate here, so get over it.
I dont hate you, but find most of what you have said here to be ridiculous.
Im really sorry about that.
Its all just so NOT true that I had to say something.
Can you blame me for that?
Im not a mean guy, but I am here for my own entertainment.
No hate, just funny.
Hate is not the same word as "funny" or "revealing".
I dont care how you roll. All I know is that you say some very misleading shit and I dont like to see that at the shroomery.
Im really sorry about that too!
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You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Compass]
#7369349 - 09/05/07 12:44 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well LSD and Mushrooms aren't so different as legend would have you believe
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I have not taken mushrooms.
They are and they are not. They both show you similar things but in different ways with different things. It's all the same in the end though. 
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Gone333]
#7369367 - 09/05/07 12:51 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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You could always kill yourself on mushrooms... Thats pretty permanent.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: implee]
#7369388 - 09/05/07 12:59 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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You could always kill yourself on mushrooms... Thats pretty permanent.
True, you could, but then you could do that with alcohol to, or from driving while sleepy.
You can find some pretty drastic info on the immediate and short and long term negative affects on this page at the bottom... http://www.magic-mushrooms.net/dangers.html
If you have any mental health issues, then you should thinkg very carefully before doing something like mushrooms, if you don't feel 100% comfortable when you are going to take them, then you should think carefully about it and if you want a 100% guarentee that everything will be ok .. don't take them.
However, for most people it seems that the effects are positive.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: cloudtripper]
#7370380 - 09/05/07 12:35 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Shrooms and psychedelics in general (includin weed) are not harmful, addictive, etc. Only exceptions are like PCP, Ketamine and such, which nobody should even touch cause they can screw you up big time. But for people that have mental health issues, or are at risk of developin any sort of mental condition, do not take psychedelics, even weed. Becomin schizo is the only bad side to psychedelics, although it does not apply to everyone.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7370443 - 09/05/07 12:58 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Killer Sausage said:
Shrooms and psychedelics in general (includin weed) are not harmful, addictive, etc. Only exceptions are like PCP, Ketamine and such, which nobody should even touch cause they can screw you up big time. But for people that have mental health issues, or are at risk of developin any sort of mental condition, do not take psychedelics, even weed. Becomin schizo is the only bad side to psychedelics, although it does not apply to everyone.
you should really be careful with that you say, especially when giving advice to others. if done correctly any drug can have positive effects, just because psychedelic drugs tend to be less harmful than other drugs it doesn't mean other drugs "shouldn't even be touched". if taken in excess any drug will be harmful on the long run, even psychedelic drugs. i've never done ketamine but i'm sure if taken carefully it would be a wonderful experience.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Gone333]
#7370465 - 09/05/07 01:04 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I trip abougt 1-2 times a month that is enough if anything I have noticed an improvement in mood/outlook on life. I used to smoke weed everyday for years. I quite that I am a bit pro-weed advocate but there is a such thing as too much of a good thing. I started to calm down to moderate use and got rid of all those "duh" moments. Be responsible try it and see if it is for you. If you like it just don't go overboard and in my opinion you will be fine. There is too much false info and scare tactics you don't know what to believe but believe this. It is safer than meth. coke, and tons of other drugs. I wouldn't take this to heart but I think Mushrooms, acid, weed are safer than tylenol.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: twistedninja]
#7370484 - 09/05/07 01:09 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushrooms will make your balls drop off and if you're a lady then you'll grow a pair and those will fall off also. it's called bullshit.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: b0red5tiff]
#7370502 - 09/05/07 01:13 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I used to hear lectures in school on how lsd and mushrooms will make you go insane for the rest of your life. I laugh at how naive I was back then..
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: twistedninja]
#7370564 - 09/05/07 01:39 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wouldn't take this to heart but I think Mushrooms, acid, weed are safer than tylenol.
I did some searching and found these numbers.
LD50s for Various Substances
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Typical "Safety Ratio"
Substance LD50 route animal Human Dose LD50=Doses/50Kg
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LSD 46 mg/Kg iv mice 0.25 mg o 9200
16.5 mg/Kg iv rats 3300
.3 mg/Kg iv rabbits 60
Psilocybin 285 mg/Kg iv mice 12-20 mg o 1187 - 712
280 mg/Kg iv rats 1166 - 700
12.5 mg/Kg iv rabbit 52 - 31
DMT 110 mg/kg im mouse 60 mg im 91
DET 28 mg/kg iv mouse 60 mg im/po 23
5-MeO-DMT 115 mg/kg ip mouse 6 mg p 958
DPT 20 mg/kg iv mouse 60 mg po 16
DIPT 26 mg/kg iv mouse 30 mg o 43
THC 1270 mg/Kg o rats(male) 20mg o 3175
730 mg/Kg o rats(female) 20mg o 1825
105.7 mg/Kg iv rats 5mg(smoked) 1057
42 mg/Kg (inhalation) rats 5mg(smoked) 420
Caffeine 127 mg/Kg o mice (male) 100-200mg o 63 - 31
137 mg/Kg o mice (female) 68 - 34
230 mg/Kg o hamster(male) 115 - 57
249 mg/Kg o hamster(female) 124 - 62
355 mg/Kg o rat(male) 177 - 88
247 mg/Kg o rat(female) 123 - 61
246 mg/Kg o rabbit(male) 123 - 61
227 mg/Kg o rabbit(female) 113 - 56
Nicotine 230 mg/Kg o mice
9.5 mg/Kg ip mice .7mg(smoked) 675
.3 mg/Kg iv mice 21
Aspirin 1100 mg/Kg o mice 325mg o 169
1500 mg/Kg o rats 230
Acetaminophen 338 mg/Kg o mice 500mg o 33.8
500 mg/Kg ip mice 50
Vitamin A 2570 mg/Kg o mice 10-20mg o 12850 - 6425
1510 mg/Kg ip mice 7550 - 3775
Strychnine .96 mg/Kg iv rats .25mg o 192
(relative to 1 hit of LSD)
Succinyl Choline .45 mg/Kg iv mice
VX (nerve gas) .0154 mg/Kg iv rabbits 0 mg none
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Substance LD50 route animal Human Dose LD50=Doses/50Kg
Typical (safety ratio)
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Substance Reckoned Safety Ratio (Closest Available Analogy)
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Vitamin A 9637 (mice oral:human oral 15mg)
LSD 4816 (rodents iv:human oral 0.25mg),averaged
5-MeO-DMT 958 (mice intraperitoneal:human parenteral 6mg)
Psilocybin 641 (rodents iv:human oral 16mg),averaged
THC 420 (rats inhaled:human smoked 5mg)
Aspirin 199 (rodents oral:human oral 325mg),averaged
DMT 91 (mice intramuscular:human intramuscular 60mg)
Caffeine 84 (rodents oral:human oral 150mg),averaged
Acetaminophen 34 (mice oral:human oral 500mg)
Nicotine 21 (mice iv:human smoked 0.7mg)
VX (Nerve Gas) 0 (just a hunch)
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Abbreviations:
iv = intravenous (injected into vein)
ip = intraperitoneal (injected into body cavity)
im = intramuscular (injected into muscles)
o = oral (swallowed or eaten)
p = parenteral (not by mouth / usually means 'inhaled' or
'snorted')
mg/Kg = milligrams of drug per Kilogram of body weight
mg = milligrams of drug
Wow i wish this formated right. here is source site that is easier to figure out. http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/misc/ld50s
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"The dream is dreaming itself"--Kalahari Bushmen
Edited by Salvia_Antics (09/05/07 01:45 PM)
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Killer Sausage
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: maggotz]
#7370617 - 09/05/07 01:59 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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maggotz said:
you should really be careful with that you say, especially when giving advice to others. if done correctly any drug can have positive effects, just because psychedelic drugs tend to be less harmful than other drugs it doesn't mean other drugs "shouldn't even be touched". if taken in excess any drug will be harmful on the long run, even psychedelic drugs. i've never done ketamine but i'm sure if taken carefully it would be a wonderful experience.
Drugs like K and PCP - but especially PCP - have enough bad sides to them that make many not want to have anythin to do with them. Perhaps Ketamine isn't nearly as bad as its cousin PCP, but they can have terrible consequences. I agree that all drugs can be harmful in excess, like you said, but Olney's lesions and higher likehood to provoke latent psychosis compared to other psychedelics don't seem to be very friendly (K is also guilty of this). If anythin, my advise is more benificial than harmful.
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CHECKLIST:
*cannabis, psilocybe, fly agaric, salvia, LSD, mescaline, AMT, LSA, 5meo-DMT, DMT.
(* = done it)
Sebastian23 on extractin THC from urine:
"I doubt it, and in any way that could be worth extracting trace chemicals from hella urine samples.
Thats like using recycled human shit to feed humans. It's just a bad idea."
LOL!!!
Edited by Killer Sausage (09/05/07 02:01 PM)
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: Killer Sausage]
#7372078 - 09/05/07 09:16 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Depending on what you consider to be "damage", lsd, mushrooms, smoked dmt, cacti, salvia, rc's, and even ayahuasca can fuck up your head a little bit(or to a great extent in rare cases).
It doesnt have to involve abuse of any particulare psychedelic either.
They can change your life for better or worse, depending on what you feel is better or worse for you.
These drugs can cause changes in the way your brain works permanently. Just like how a depressed person differs from a generally happy person.
You can find things within the experience that can actually change your brain chemistry. As your philosophies and perceptions of this world change, your moods and brain chemistry can change.
With that said, it can be for better or worse.
They are in a physical sense not harmful unless you develope any sort of a mental issue because of them. Anxiety is very hard on the body for example.
Yes, shrooms and lsd etc etc can cause permanent damage.
They usually change people. For some users thats the whole point.
You cant just learn something new and save it for later. You own that information. That information becomes a part of you.
In the case of those who have developed schizophrenia in part because of these psychedelics, you can bet that they dont want that information anymore. Its too bad though, because they own it.
Metaphorically, their mind found a key but they have no choice but to use it to open doors. Doors leading to some very overwhelming states of mind.
This is a very difficult subject. It can only be observed on a case by case basis. Its all just so circumstantial. Generally, for those who are curious, they end up really liking psychedelics after trying them. In a way, you could say that they cant not change you.
For myself and many others, it has thus far only been a gift giver.
SOme people eventually realize that some gifts dont come in the prettiest package.
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Even for those who use psychedelics for a simple good time dont use them very often.
If you use them alot though, you should probably have some reason for further exploration. You dont want to wake up one day after a trip and not feel at home in your own head(and wonder why/how).
You need to observe. You dont get burned out unless you are sort of uncommon.
I dont even know what a "burn out" is.
Man takes lsd in college and it changes his life. He ends up being a construction worker rather than a lawyer.
Did the drugs really fuck up his life?
You be the judge.
They all can change people, and in all seriousness, they all have after effects.
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You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: yageman]
#7372567 - 09/05/07 11:26 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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i can honestly say that in my personal completly biased opinion, mushrooms have tought me more than my ntire educatinal carreare. learning grows from within you. its not somthing you can go to collage and pay for. its somthing thats happening all the time, shrooms, no shrooms, right now. the universes influence one you and like wise your influesnce on it is how you learn grow and live. now manybe thats just one big intransic load of spiritual hippy jargen to you. but it means alot to me. and for that i regard mushrooms in th highest light 
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Re: Can Shrooms Cause Permanent Damage? [Re: notapillow]
#7373583 - 09/06/07 07:46 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Although I do think yageman is being way to harsh in this thread, and pointlessly bitchy, I have say that I agree with them. A mushroom trip can change you. Period. It's not definite, but I have a friend who's personality has been affected by an intense mushroom trip. Are these changes scientifically/medically measurable? Perhaps not. But don't assume that you will always come out of a trip exactly as you came in. Why would you want to anyway?
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