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 Phred
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 History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" 
#7315152 - 08/20/07 08:04 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=240087
Examines the various conspiracy theories espoused on the Internet, in articles and in public forums that attempt to explain the 9/11 attacks. It includes theories that the World Trade Center was brought down by a controlled demolition; that a missile, not a commercial airliner, hit the Pentagon; and that members of the U.S. government orchestrated the attacks in hopes of creating a war in the Middle East. Each conspiracy argument is countered by a variety of experts in the fields of engineering, intelligence and the military. The program also delves into the anatomy of such conspiracies and how they grow on the Internet.
Monday, August 20 09:00 PM
Tuesday, August 21 01:00 AM
Saturday, August 25 08:00 PM
Sunday, August 26 12:00 AM
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Phred]
#7315170 - 08/20/07 08:13 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not sure the conspiracy theorists will be deterred by facts but it should be an interesting show. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: zorbman]
#7316768 - 08/21/07 06:53 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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> I'm not sure the conspiracy theorists will be deterred by facts
It is a fact that the government planned and executed the entire thing. What more "fact" do you need? Open your eyes and look. The "facts" are right there in front of you. Molten steel, beams cut at perfect angles, thermite residue, missing planes, dead bodies, etc. Anybody with half a brain can tell that the history channel is nothing more than government propaganda trying to convince you that a bunch of towel heads could attack the United States from their caves on the other side of the planet.
> Each conspiracy argument is countered by a variety of experts in the fields of engineering, intelligence and the military.
Oh right... like I am supposed to believe some "expert" that agrees with the government's position. I can look at the data available on line, I can watch the you tube videos, and I can tell from the various pictures, articles, and books written that the government "experts" are nothing more than mindless drones regurgitating the governments "findings" and stamping "expert" on the result. Alex Jones is the only expert I need!
... hmm, I think I hit my sarcasm limit for the day. Thanks for posting the times, Phred. I will have to see if I can find a friend with a TV that is interested in watching. Although I am tired of the entire 9/11 saga, I suspect/hope it will be worth watching.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Seuss]
#7316898 - 08/21/07 09:43 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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At least you have friends with TVs. Me... not so much.
I'd like to watch it not to learn anything new, but to see the massive beatdown administered to the Troofers. I've been reading some reviews of the show on various blogs and -- as expected -- they got clubbed like baby seals.
The best thing one can do to discredit these turnipheads is give them a public forum and let them embarass themselves on national TV.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Phred]
#7317324 - 08/21/07 12:18 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its fucking sad that a show like this is even necessary.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Phred]
#7318225 - 08/21/07 04:57 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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what about that conspiracy theory which holds that mohammed atta &co were the agents of some kind of a nebulously defined..emmanuel goldstein type global anti-american organization??...why i am not surprised that it wasnt addressed on the show along with all the other looney conspiracy theories??...
personally i dont believe any of this bullshit about controlled demolitions either.. nor do you need it to implicate king george ..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070821/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/cia_sept11
theres still a plausible deniability that this might have been simple negligence on the part of the CIA...OTOH..its part of a larger pattern of similar "incompetence" (such as the infamous "bin ladin determined to strike in US" PDB memo) that simply cannot rule out LIHOP...
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Annapurna1]
#7318288 - 08/21/07 05:11 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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That show was pretty good. I was finally glad to see a some what "impartial" media.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Phred]
#7318316 - 08/21/07 05:17 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've seen absolute indisputable proof that it was an airplane that hit the Pentagon and not a missile. On 9/11 I was in Crystal City, Virginia, which is a couple miles south of the Pentagon and I saw the huge plume of black smoke that could only have come from the jet fuel that a large jet airplane would have been carrying. I looked at the smoke numerous times that day for hours until I went home. Being a chemist with a BS in chemistry from a university, I know the smoke must have come from jet fuel. Before this, I've set a lot of things on fire to see how fast they would burn, to help me figure out what I would need to put out fires caused by these things. I've seen gasoline burn a lot of times, as well as, different solvents and other things. I've seen the same kind of thick black smoke come from burning a gallon of gasoline. It had to be jet fuel burning. A missile couldn't have carried that much fuel and paper doesn't produce that kind of smoke. Paper and wood usually produce a lighter colored smoke.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Phred]
#7318347 - 08/21/07 05:22 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I like how they brought out the fact that 'Loose Change' began as a work of fiction and then transformed into a documentary.
I also found it interesting how sloppy their research was initially. They have made numerous revisions to the film and evidently are working on more.
If you are really dedicated to truth why so many easily discovered mistakes?
Then I learned that their researcher, Jason Bermas, believes that the moon landing was faked. Then it all made sense. These people are cherry-picking information consistent with their theory and discarding the rest. They are no better than Dick Cheney in that regard. They began with a premise and collect only facts consistent with that premise.
These people aren't dedicated to finding the truth at all.
They are pushing propoganda.
Personally I'm tired of propoganda from both extremes in American politics.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Luddite]
#7318370 - 08/21/07 05:29 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Luddite said:
Being a chemist with a BS in chemistry from a university
Reeeeeeeeeeeeally..... 
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: zorbman]
#7318408 - 08/21/07 05:43 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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zorbman said:
I like how they brought out the fact that 'Loose Change' began as a work of fiction and then transformed into a documentary.
I also found it interesting how sloppy their research was initially. They have made numerous revisions to the film and evidently are working on more.
If you are really dedicated to truth why so many easily discovered mistakes?
Then I learned that their researcher, Jason Bermas, believes that the moon landing was faked. Then it all made sense. These people are cherry-picking information consistent with their theory and discarding the rest. They are no better than Dick Cheney in that regard. They began with a premise and collect only facts consistent with that premise.
These people aren't dedicated to finding the truth at all.
They are pushing propoganda.
Personally I'm tired of propoganda from both extremes in American politics.
damn i missed that part. Do you know if these guys live in the United States?
If they do they dont seem to like it to much...why dont they just fuckin leave? would anyone else agree
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Phred]
#7318414 - 08/21/07 05:45 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: AG Tek]
#7318426 - 08/21/07 05:50 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you know if these guys live in the United States?
As far as I know they live in the U.S.
It looked to me from the show that they are operating from a college dorm room.
It wasn't exactly a clean hi-tek operation.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: AG Tek]
#7318783 - 08/21/07 07:38 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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AG Tek said:
That show was pretty good. I was finally glad to see a some what "impartial" media.
about as impartial as fox noise...in debunking alex jones (whom i never believed much)..they came across as being pro-bush..missing the point that both alex jones and king georges' versions of events are based on the unproven assumption that 9/11 could not have been entirely the work of a few deranged lunatics...
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Annapurna1]
#7318955 - 08/21/07 08:26 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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AG Tek said:
That show was pretty good. I was finally glad to see a some what "impartial" media.
about as impartial as fox noise...in debunking alex jones (whom i never believed much)..they came across as being pro-bush..missing the point that both alex jones and king georges' versions of events are based on the unproven assumption that 9/11 could not have been entirely the work of a few deranged lunatics...
i did get a little pro-bush vibe, thats why I said "some what impartial". I didnt really explain on that though.
For me that was the first thing I have seen that looked at both views. I could obviously tell they were favoring the "experts pro-Bush side", but I thought it was pretty cool how they did give some speculation. As opposed to a one sided documentary.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: AG Tek]
#7319162 - 08/21/07 09:34 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are fooling yourself. There was no "pro-Bush vibe" at all. Discrediting anti-bush zealots is not "pro-Bush"
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: DieCommie]
#7319211 - 08/21/07 09:47 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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It has nothing to do with who has the correct politics. I take a back seat to no one here in despising Bush's policies.
The facts just aren't there to support the so-called 9/11 Truth Movement.
It has nothing to do with objective reality.
This is not fact-finding, this is myth-making. This is our modern-day myth. And people keep repeating it until it eventually becomes true to them.
It is what they want to believe and they will cling to it dearly regardless of any factual evidence to the contrary.
Most people just never learn to examine their own beliefs or think critically. Maybe it is the way things have always been or maybe its a sign of a decaying epoch near its end. I don't know.
Maybe it's over fifty years of television mindsets.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Luddite]
#7320725 - 08/22/07 08:39 AM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've seen absolute indisputable proof that it was an airplane that hit the Pentagon and not a missile. On 9/11 I was in Crystal City, Virginia, which is a couple miles south of the Pentagon and I saw the huge plume of black smoke that could only have come from the jet fuel that a large jet airplane would have been carrying. I looked at the smoke numerous times that day for hours until I went home. Being a chemist with a BS in chemistry from a university, I know the smoke must have come from jet fuel.
A friend of the family was in one of the offices in the pentagon that got hit by the plane. He lived, but at least one other in his office did not. He is the closest eye witness that I have spoken with, and he told me that he has no doubt at all that it was a plane. I believe him. *shrug*
My explosives research advisor in college was called in to help investigate the original bombing of the WTC back in the early 90's. (The guy is one of the top three explosives experts in the world!) I was in his office watching (on TV) the smoke pour out of the building after the attack. He was able to identify the basic type of explosive used based upon the behavior of the smoke seen on TV. If it weren't for this experience, I would have doubted your claims.
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: DieCommie]
#7321282 - 08/22/07 01:08 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are fooling yourself. There was no "pro-Bush vibe" at all. Discrediting anti-bush zealots is not "pro-Bush"
on the contrary..discrediting anti-bush zealots is entirely pro-bush.. for the simple reason that shows like this necessarily paint all of king georges' political opponents with the alex jones brush...
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Re: History Channel debunks 9/11 "Truthers" [Re: Phred]
#7321376 - 08/22/07 01:33 PM (5 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's disturbing to me how much the 9/11 conspiracy theorists obviously want their theories to be true.
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