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Trepiodge said:
The Pope is not an Antichrist, he is just misguided.

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The pope is not the Antichrist because there's no such thing as an Antichrist
All in all, you can't say that pope is misguided because he's not a 5 year old

Edit: One thing is for sure. I don't like the guy

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fivepointer said:
The latest antichrist pope reasserts traditional Roman Catholic doctrine that the RCC is the only true church and all other churches lack the "means of salvation" since they are not true churches.  This has always been the historic RCC position of no salvation outside of Rome.

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fivepointer said:
The latest antichrist pope reasserts traditional Roman Catholic doctrine that the RCC is the only true church and all other churches lack the "means of salvation" since they are not true churches.  This has always been the historic RCC position of no salvation outside of Rome.
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Pope reasserts other Christian denominations are not true churches

By NICOLE WINFIELD
Associated Press
Posted July 10 2007, 1:00 PM EDT

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy -- Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church.

On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II.

Benedict, who attended Vatican II as a young theologian, has long complained about what he considers the erroneous interpretation of the council by liberals, saying it was not a break from the past but rather a renewal of church tradition.

In the latest document _ formulated as five questions and answers _ the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been ``erroneous or ambiguous'' and had prompted confusion and doubt.

It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, ``Dominus Iesus,'' which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the ``means of salvation.''

In the new document and an accompanying commentary, which were released as the pope vacations here in Italy's Dolomite mountains, the Vatican repeated that position.

``Christ 'established here on earth' only one church,'' the document said. The other communities ``cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense'' because they do not have apostolic succession _ the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles.

The Rev. Sara MacVane of the Anglican Centre in Rome, said there was nothing new in the document.

``I don't know what motivated it at this time,'' she said. ``But it's important always to point out that there's the official position and there's the huge amount of friendship and fellowship and worshipping together that goes on at all levels, certainly between Anglican and Catholics and all the other groups and Catholics.''

The document said Orthodox churches were indeed ``churches'' because they have apostolic succession and that they enjoyed ``many elements of sanctification and of truth.'' But it said they lack something because they do not recognize the primacy of the pope _ a defect, or a ``wound'' that harmed them, it said.

``This is obviously not compatible with the doctrine of primacy which, according to the Catholic faith, is an 'internal constitutive principle' of the very existence of a particular church,'' the commentary said.

Despite the harsh tone of the document, it stresses that Benedict remains committed to ecumenical dialogue.

``However, if such dialogue is to be truly constructive, it must involve not just the mutual openness of the participants but also fidelity to the identity of the Catholic faith,'' the commentary said.

The document, signed by the congregation prefect, U.S. Cardinal William Levada, was approved by Benedict on June 29, the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul _ a major ecumenical feast day.

There was no indication about why the pope felt it necessary to release the document, particularly since his 2000 document summed up the same principles. Some analysts suggested it could be a question of internal church politics, or that it could simply be an indication of Benedict using his office as pope to again stress key doctrinal issues from his time at the congregation.


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The five solas:
Sola gratia - by "Grace alone", Sola fide - by "Faith alone", Sola scriptura - by "Scripture alone", Sola Christus - by "Christ alone", Soli Deo gloria - "Glory to God Alone"

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fivepointer said:
The latest antichrist pope reasserts traditional Roman Catholic doctrine that the RCC is the only true church and all other churches lack the "means of salvation" since they are not true churches.  This has always been the historic RCC position of no salvation outside of Rome.
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Pope reasserts other Christian denominations are not true churches

By NICOLE WINFIELD
Associated Press
Posted July 10 2007, 1:00 PM EDT

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy -- Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.

Benedict approved a document from his old offices at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith that restates church teaching on relations with other Christians. It was the second time in a week the pope has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, the 1962-65 meetings that modernized the church.

On Saturday, Benedict revisited another key aspect of Vatican II by reviving the old Latin Mass. Traditional Catholics cheered the move, but more liberal ones called it a step back from Vatican II.

Benedict, who attended Vatican II as a young theologian, has long complained about what he considers the erroneous interpretation of the council by liberals, saying it was not a break from the past but rather a renewal of church tradition.

In the latest document _ formulated as five questions and answers _ the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been ``erroneous or ambiguous'' and had prompted confusion and doubt.

It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, ``Dominus Iesus,'' which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the ``means of salvation.''

In the new document and an accompanying commentary, which were released as the pope vacations here in Italy's Dolomite mountains, the Vatican repeated that position.

``Christ 'established here on earth' only one church,'' the document said. The other communities ``cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense'' because they do not have apostolic succession _ the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles.

The Rev. Sara MacVane of the Anglican Centre in Rome, said there was nothing new in the document.

``I don't know what motivated it at this time,'' she said. ``But it's important always to point out that there's the official position and there's the huge amount of friendship and fellowship and worshipping together that goes on at all levels, certainly between Anglican and Catholics and all the other groups and Catholics.''

The document said Orthodox churches were indeed ``churches'' because they have apostolic succession and that they enjoyed ``many elements of sanctification and of truth.'' But it said they lack something because they do not recognize the primacy of the pope _ a defect, or a ``wound'' that harmed them, it said.

``This is obviously not compatible with the doctrine of primacy which, according to the Catholic faith, is an 'internal constitutive principle' of the very existence of a particular church,'' the commentary said.

Despite the harsh tone of the document, it stresses that Benedict remains committed to ecumenical dialogue.

``However, if such dialogue is to be truly constructive, it must involve not just the mutual openness of the participants but also fidelity to the identity of the Catholic faith,'' the commentary said.

The document, signed by the congregation prefect, U.S. Cardinal William Levada, was approved by Benedict on June 29, the feast of Sts. Peter and Paul _ a major ecumenical feast day.

There was no indication about why the pope felt it necessary to release the document, particularly since his 2000 document summed up the same principles. Some analysts suggested it could be a question of internal church politics, or that it could simply be an indication of Benedict using his office as pope to again stress key doctrinal issues from his time at the congregation.


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The five solas:
Sola gratia - by "Grace alone", Sola fide - by "Faith alone", Sola scriptura - by "Scripture alone", Sola Christus - by "Christ alone", Soli Deo gloria - "Glory to God Alone"

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fivepointer said:
The latest antichrist pope reasserts traditional Roman Catholic doctrine that the RCC is the only true church and all other churches lack the "means of salvation" since they are not true churches.  This has always been the historic RCC position of no salvation outside of Rome.

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Yep, which is essentially the exact same belief you hold in regards to people who don't buy into your dogma.

Your fucking teapot is black too.

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The Devil at Home in Rome
Insiders Claim Satanists Skulk in the Vatican
http://www.weirdload.com/devil.html


Chief exorcist Father Gabriele Amorth says Devil is in the Vatican
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7056689.ece


and need I remind you of this

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“There were 51 new credible child molestation accusations against priests and bishops in the US last year. The conflict is continuing,” said the former ‘cleaner’ for the Benedictines — a priest sent to restore calm in a parish after a predator priest has been in ministry.

The pope was addressing the pedophilia scandal because of the deep financial impact it has had on the church, said Wall.

“The church has lost over three billion dollars in settlements and in the next 10 years will lose another three billion dollars if things don’t change. The church is scared,” he said.

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Patrick Wall, a former Vatican-approved enforcer of the Crimen Sollicitationis in America, tells the programme: “I found out I wasn’t working for a holy institution, but an institution that was wholly concentrated on protecting itself.”

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fivepointer said:
The latest antichrist pope reasserts traditional Roman Catholic doctrine that the RCC is the only true church and all other churches lack the "means of salvation" since they are not true churches.  This has always been the historic RCC position of no salvation outside of Rome.

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Yep, which is essentially the exact same belief you hold in regards to people who don't buy into your dogma.

Your fucking teapot is black too.

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Wow settle down bro, this guy sounds way more open to other faiths than the Catholic church itself as demonstrated by his condemnation of it.  He's saying the christian dogma, one that, if you are following the word of Christ, is one of love, understanding, forgiveness, non judgment, etc. Thus, an organization that preaches just the opposite in the name of Christ would be against (anti) the original beliefs and scriptures.

Don't really see where you got the hatred for other denominations from his side of the deal, are you a catholic that was offended?  or just someone that's dealt with too many pushy christians? or maybe i missed some previous conversations.  I just think when one person calls out another for being of judgmental doctrine without having actually heard the full extent of their ideology, then includes a phrase like "your fucking tea pot is black too"...well...the irony is just palpable and the amusement is plenty.

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