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 War costs 12 billion a month 
#7152732 - 07/09/07 08:18 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20070709_ap_reportwarcostingus12bamonth.html
Report: War Costing US $12B a Month
ANDREW TAYLOR
The Associated Press
WASHINGTON - The boost in troop levels in Iraq has increased the cost of war there and in Afghanistan to $12 billion a month, and the total for Iraq alone is nearing a half-trillion dollars, congressional analysts say.
All told, Congress has appropriated $610 billion in war-related money since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror assaults, roughly the same as the war in Vietnam. Iraq alone has cost $450 billion.
The figures come from the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, which provides research and analysis to lawmakers.
For the 2007 budget year, CRS says, the $166 billion appropriated to the Pentagon represents a 40 percent increase over 2006.
The Vietnam War, after accounting for inflation, cost taxpayers $650 billion, according to separate CRS estimates.
The $12 billion a month "burn rate" includes $10 billion for Iraq and almost $2 billion for Afghanistan, plus other minor costs. That's higher than Pentagon estimates earlier this year of $10 billion a month for both operations. Two years ago, the average monthly cost was about $8 billion.
Among the reasons for the higher costs is the cost of repairing and replacing equipment worn out in harsh conditions or destroyed in combat.
But the estimates call into question the Pentagon's estimate that the increase in troop strength and intensifying pace of operations in Baghdad and Anbar province would cost only $5.6 billion through the end of September.
If Congress approves President Bush's pending request for another $147 billion for the budget year starting Oct. 1, the total bill for the war on terror since Sept. 11 would reach more than three-fourths of a trillion dollars, with appropriations for Iraq reaching $567 billion.
Also, if the increase in war tempo continues beyond September, the Pentagon's request "would presumably be inadequate," CRS said.
The latest estimates come as support for the war in Iraq among Bush's GOP allies in Congress is beginning to erode. Senior Republicans such as Pete Domenici of New Mexico and Richard Lugar of Indiana have called for a shift in strategy in Iraq and a battle over funding the war will resume in September, when Democrats in Congress begin work on a funding bill for the war.
Congress approved $99 billion in war funding in May after a protracted battle and a Bush veto of an earlier measure over Democrats' attempt to set a timeline for withdrawing U.S. combat troops from Iraq.
The report faults the Pentagon for using the Iraq war as a pretext for boosting the Pentagon's non-war budget by costs such as procurement, increasing the size of the military and procurement of replacement aircraft as war-related items.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: ArcofaJourney]
#7153231 - 07/09/07 09:58 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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nah we dont need it for education, healthcare, public services and border control. go ahead, build more bombs.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7154401 - 07/10/07 01:43 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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leftysurprise said:
nah we dont need it for education, healthcare, public services and border control. go ahead, build more bombs.
Are you kidding me? You know that almost 2/3 of the Federal Budget is devoted to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid right off the bat, right? And that 90% of State taxes go to healthcare and public services, right?
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ArcofaJourney
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: Economist]
#7156092 - 07/10/07 01:29 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Economist said:
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leftysurprise said:
nah we dont need it for education, healthcare, public services and border control. go ahead, build more bombs.
Are you kidding me? You know that almost 2/3 of the Federal Budget is devoted to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid right off the bat, right? And that 90% of State taxes go to healthcare and public services, right?
Actually no...
http://www.answers.com/topic/military-budget-of-the-united-states
"The current (2005) United States military budget is larger than the military budgets of the next fourteen biggest spenders combined, and over eight times larger than the official military budget of China. The United States and its close allies are responsible for approximately two-thirds of all military spending on Earth (of which, in turn, the US is responsible for the majority). Military spending accounts for more than half of the United States' federal discretionary spending, which is all of the U.S. government's money that is not used for pre-existing obligations.[5]"
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: ArcofaJourney]
#7156109 - 07/10/07 01:32 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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FFS. I haven't been to a doctor in 5 years because my job with benefits still wants too much money for health insurance, and we're paying 12 billion a MONTH for this pointless war? Now I'm REALLY pissed. Can we please fucking get rid of this administration already? Jesus.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: ArcofaJourney]
#7156132 - 07/10/07 01:36 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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ArcofaJourney said:
Military spending accounts for more than half of the United States' federal discretionary spending, which is all of the U.S. government's money that is not used for pre-existing obligations.[5]"
Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are not discretionary funded programs, so your statistic is meaningless.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: Redstorm]
#7156511 - 07/10/07 03:34 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Reading is fundamental. As is comprehension.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: Economist]
#7156521 - 07/10/07 03:38 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Economist said:
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leftysurprise said:
nah we dont need it for education, healthcare, public services and border control. go ahead, build more bombs.
Are you kidding me? You know that almost 2/3 of the Federal Budget is devoted to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid right off the bat, right? And that 90% of State taxes go to healthcare and public services, right?
absolutely. apparently its not enough in many areas. schools are under funded, social security in its current state is doomed to collapse in less than 15 years, parks, preserves and playgrounds dont quite get the attention they deserve. at least in my area.
that money could be used to make veterans lives better, i know a few and theyre all miserable. the healthcare they recieve is crap, they basically feel they are ignored.
the money could be used to strengthen our borders and important infrastructure, to help start locating and deporting illegals.
i am fully aware of how much of our budget is geared towards public services, however many things could use extra money. there could always be a better place for that money instead of towards an illegitimate war that 70% of the country wants out of, and many of those never wanted to be there in the first place.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: adrug]
#7156531 - 07/10/07 03:39 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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adrug said:
FFS. I haven't been to a doctor in 5 years because my job with benefits still wants too much money for health insurance, and we're paying 12 billion a MONTH for this pointless war? Now I'm REALLY pissed. Can we please fucking get rid of this administration already? Jesus.
its a little late for that now adrug, the damage has been done, even if we impeached the entire administration its going to take several years to even come close to fixing the damage they have done.
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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government."
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A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.
~George Washington
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: ArcofaJourney]
#7156590 - 07/10/07 04:01 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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ArcofaJourney said:
Actually no...
Military spending accounts for more than half of the United States' federal discretionary spending, which is all of the U.S. government's money that is not used for pre-existing obligations.[5]"
Your figure is misleading (not surprising given that it probably came from a Leftish web site). Here are the figures on the 2006 federal budget:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget,_2006
Social Security: $544 billion
Medicare: $345 billion
Medicaid $268 billion
Unemployment and Welfare: $345 billion
Education: $88.7 billion
Defense: $512 billion + $125 billion for annual Iraq and Afghanistan costs
I've said it a million times: We spend more money on giving old and poor people free stuff through social programs than we do on the military.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: RandalFlagg]
#7156694 - 07/10/07 04:33 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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And you will say it over and over again until your lips bleed and your pecker falls off but the entitlement brigade will never catch on. Notice there was never any mention of just, you know, giving the money back. Only old and new ideas to give it away. Evil, I say, downright vile perfidy.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: zappaisgod]
#7156841 - 07/10/07 05:20 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah..answers.com which quotes THE PENTAGON is a left wing website...
i bet i could read you under the fucking table zappaisgod. Bring it on. Come over my house, bring all 3 of your books, the non-coloring ones, and we could have a good old-fashioned read-off while shroomery members place bets. Point being you know nothing about me, yet seem so comfortably making insults.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: ArcofaJourney]
#7156847 - 07/10/07 05:22 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rather than resorting to the same insults he slings at you, why not just address my post?
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ArcofaJourney
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: Redstorm]
#7156877 - 07/10/07 05:30 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redstorm said:
Rather than resorting to the same insults he slings at you, why not just address my post?
You're right, and i was getting to that...
Spending on military is still more than 10% as was indicated, and much more than any other devoloped nation. The average American pays 3,150 (i'll find the source as soon as i find it) in taxes per year, about 1500 of it to military expendatures. My original post isn't that far off. i could explain how i know this, but given this is a drug website it might reveal my job which i don't want to do. And some people, me included, believe it's too much given the enemy we're fighting used box cutters to destroy the WTC on 9/11. A misappropriation of funds, that we could use better on pressing domestic matters. This could be debated until the cows come home as is said.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: ArcofaJourney]
#7156882 - 07/10/07 05:32 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thank you. 
I won't pry into your employment, either. 
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: Redstorm]
#7156895 - 07/10/07 05:36 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Redstorm said:
Thank you.
I won't pry into your employment, either.
Hehe.. in other words, i WAS WRONG...sort of, kind of. More accurately...answers.com was wrong. 
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: ArcofaJourney]
#7156995 - 07/10/07 06:06 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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ArcofaJourney said:
yeah..answers.com which quotes THE PENTAGON is a left wing website...
i bet i could read you under the fucking table zappaisgod. Bring it on. Come over my house, bring all 3 of your books, the non-coloring ones, and we could have a good old-fashioned read-off while shroomery members place bets. Point being you know nothing about me, yet seem so comfortably making insults.
I didn't say anything about wings. And if I'm at the table I'd rather you not go under it, if it's all the same to you, no matter how much you want to "read" me. (When did they start calling it that anyway? I am so out of touch with todays youth.) You missed the key word, "discretionary" that made your point erroneous. And that $3,150/$1,500 is bullshit. If military expenses are only 10% of the budget what makes you think nearly 50% of the taxes you pay goes to the military? Readin' & writin' & 'rithmatic, oh my.
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: ArcofaJourney]
#7157028 - 07/10/07 06:19 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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ArcofaJourney said:
. The average American pays 3,150 (i'll find the source as soon as i find it) in taxes per year, about 1500 of it to military expendatures.
the average American pays only 3,150 in taxes a year? I pay more than double that on Properly taxes ALONE! Fuck im getting raped!
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: lonestar2004]
#7158744 - 07/11/07 01:53 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
the average American pays only 3,150 in taxes a year? I pay more than double that on Properly taxes ALONE! Fuck im getting raped!
Given that he claimed 1,500 went to military spending, I'm assuming that the 3,150 number doesn't include local or state taxes, nor Social Security Payments, nor medicare at the State level (i.e. all forms of payments that don't go into the Federal Discretionary Budget).
As for what we're spending it on, here's my big problem with most of the arguments in this thread: why should we be spending it at all?
We didn't need the war in Iraq, and hopefully we'll get out of there soonish, but once this is over, the war funds should go exactly where they came from: back into our pockets!
Why does everyone assume that taxes should be spent just because they're collected?
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Re: War costs 12 billion a month [Re: Economist]
#7159406 - 07/11/07 07:05 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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> Why does everyone assume that taxes should be spent just because they're collected?
Many, many moons ago, I used to work for the federal government and remember the scramble right before the end of year trying to spend all the excess money from the current years budget. If we had left over money at the end of the year, we would loose it to another part of the government. There was never any thought of returning money to the tax payer... heck, most people that I worked with didn't seem to realize that the money came from the tax payer rather than a magic tree the grows money.
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