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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #7141219 - 07/07/07 08:31 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Thankyou for your honesty. :thumbup:
Perhaps, as Mushroomtrip suggests, you could find it in yourself to change your outlook from monogamous to polygamous within a tight circle of friends/colleagues such as a team of researchers, so that you would have  support and opportunity to "play".


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: Booby]
    #7143411 - 07/07/07 09:55 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Firstly, I'd like to thank everyone for their support and replies; I apologize for not replying sooner (I went to sleep). 

  I never considered the relationship with my mother to be unhealthy because I always had the belief that such a relationship is only fostered by a negligent or abusive guardian.  .  I suppose being sheltered lead to a great deal of awkwardness that was only exacerbated by the ill-reception from some of my peers.  My reclusive tendencies continued to be reinforced by her protectiveness until my later teens, when she ironically began to chide me for my solitary lifestyle.  She is a wonderful psychologist and has aided many; however, her own social life is rather turbulent itself (aside from with me). 

  She continues this in college.  I recall her many times answering questions for me.  "What is your social security number,"  and before I can utter the first digit she would recite it happily.  This is when it began to get annoying and I have since tried to distance myself from her slowly.  Even today she has called 3 times to ensure that I do not need anything--to which each response has been no; I anticipate a 4th inquiry within the next 3 hrs. 

I love my mother; however I do realize my need to be independent.  It is now all her fault, however. 

I do tend to reinforce negative images of myself; most of which others have told me are either completely ludicrous or over exaggerated.  My neurotic tendencies have hindered my social growth, and I am slowly endeavoring to change that.

Oddly, whenever I say or think something positive about myself I  feel like a narcissist.  Quite odd indeed but its a tough feeling to eschew.

Thank you again. :smile:

What kind of person do I want to be?
  I wish to be a loving boyfriend and lead a pretty simple lifestyle.  I have never been focused on the superficial and material thins (I am relatively easy to please in both aspects. 

Even though I claim to be a misanthrope, I am actually a hopeless romantic and great friend to the few I do have (they are actually dismayed by the fact that I don't have many other companions).  They all admit I was hard to get along with at first; however. 

Academically I do well in a variety of subjects; though I admit I have to put much more effort forth in mathematics (which I have usually scathed by with an A- throughout my life hehe.....TONs of work). 

I wish to be a neuropsychologist because I beleive there is much to be learned about the human mind and its biochemistry.  It's one of the only ways I could think of that combines my love for psychology and chemistry (that wouldn't involve me being a pill-pushing psychiatrist). 
I'm not even put off by the average neuropsychologist dismal salaries hehe.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #7144675 - 07/08/07 02:41 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Unhealthy relationships can have many forms, and I'm not contesting the fact that your mother loves you, cause I'm sure she does.
But it's still an abusive relationship (from her side).
She can be a wonderful psychologist and know millions of things, but she was/is over protective with you, that can happen in cases when people don't make the connections from what they know/learned to their personal life, and that's a wide spread mistake. So her intentions can be the best (and I'm sure that they are) but she's suffocating you.
What's the most important thing you need to do (in my opinion) is to put a stop to this destructive relationship. This doesn't have to mean breaking the relationship with her, but opening a channel for communication. You need to gain your strength, and that's a crucial step for you, because it will determine your future mind set.
You sound like a smart guy and I think you fully understand what I'm talking about. :smile:
I think I'll need more details on how your currently communicating with her, in which terms.

Neurophysiology sounds very interesting and I've always felt it's better to do what you like rather than something that could give you more income but less satisfaction. And I think it fits you.
You have a great opportunity to learn from this hard experience :smile:
More to that, I think that this experience played a bog role in making you choose this path over others. The advantage in enormous because you already know so much about how human mind works and it will be so easy for you to integrate all this knowledge in your future profession :thumbup:


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #7145319 - 07/08/07 08:03 AM (5 years, 10 months ago)

My uncle (blond hair, blue eyes) married a black girl and his mother disowned him. My mother thought his children were attractive so she attempted to have a baby by a Sikh but miscarried.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #7146696 - 07/08/07 04:22 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Ah the over protective mother syndrome, my entire circle of friends is afflicted by that one. My mum is as nice as pie as long as you are conforming to her wishes, otherwise it is best to clear the area. I often think certain homosexual impulses I experience are a reaction against my mother's controlling behaviour. Do you live with your mother at the moment or in dorms or something?


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #7147093 - 07/08/07 06:00 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I gotta run some errands so I've only read about a quarter of this thread but one thing really stuck out to me with the voices or talking to a seemingly separate aspect of yourself, because....I do it too!

and I have been ever since I remember. It has helped me solve tons of problems in my life because It's like conversing with a very understanding and insightful person. I might look crazy because I when I do this I talk out loud to myself haha

and it's not just talking...I get really get into it. but I guess I avoid doing it around other people. I always get caught talking to myself and feel kinda dumb haha oh well

It really feels like almost a different person that I'm talking to. I pretty much treat my "voice" as one and my "thoughts" as another I dunno it's hard to describe.

good luck man


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #7147487 - 07/08/07 07:45 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

You ARE different from other people, thats not necessarily a bad thing by any means. I don't mean from what you've posted, but in general everyone is different in some way.

I don't want to get into to much of your info. All i have to say really for advice is that thinking positive helps A LOT with depression and anxiety, you can say no it doesn't, you can even say its not that easy. Its not that easy, and trust me I know. But it really does help. When you start thinking negative, try and look for something positive in it, if its possible. As long as its not extremely horrible, you have to be able to make up some reason to think good, or make it not seem so bad. Down playing it would seem a better term, as long as it fits the situation. If you start thinking negatively, fight yourself.

If talking to people helps i would suggest finding a good therapist, one that isn't biased against you, or a kook. You should be able to tell pretty quickly if they are helping, or even want to help. Not all can, or are able to help. But you will find one that are definitely helpful, and know what they are doing.

Medicines also are a good thing sometimes, though being careful, and doing your own research is a MUST! Because not all doctors care what they put their patients on. I'm sure you know this.

As for the social aspects of things, i suggest finding friends that you are comfortable around. If you need to feel confident about yourself, there are ways of learning about yourself, and coming to terms with who you are, as well. Of course a lot of things sound a lot easier then they are. But its not something you should feel is impossible by any means, because its not.

I for one, am proud of every part of me and who i am, despite what anyone thinks about me. That alone helps me get through the day, regardless of what i THINK people are thinking about me. Because i could care less. Not that, that holds true for you, but just giving you an idea of a different perspective.

Life can be awesome, and i don't want you to miss any bit of it. I used to be completely jacked up, far worse then you can imagine, especially when i came back from Iraq. But i worked through it. So i know you can to.

I used to worry about every little thing, which kept me from sleeping. Only has a combination of medicine, therapy, and talking to people helped. Now I'm fine, but things don't always start out that way.

As for talking to yourself, I cant really suggest anything. I personally would suggest finding a way to get yourself to stop doing it, and think things instead. Personally i just cant do it, but its not necessarily a bad thing, so i wouldn't worry about it so much. But just as someone pointed out earlier, at the very least i would try to stop doing it in front of other people, as sometimes people make rough assumptions right after meeting someone. Its kind of hard not to. As for showing your insecurities around other people, just do your best not to show them. Or talk to them once you are comfortable with them.

If they are any kind of good person your insecurities shouldn't matter anyways. In the sense that they shouldn't hold that against you. If anything they should want to be helpful, that also being a good and bad thing. Depending on the person of course.

You have to understand that not everyone is good, and in the same hand not everyone is bad. This is just the way things are, there is a fine line between them, finding that would be a good thing to do.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: fazdazzle]
    #7147495 - 07/08/07 07:47 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

fazdazzle said:
It's like conversing with a very understanding and insightful person.




Gaurdian angels are special people.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7147510 - 07/08/07 07:51 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

EXACTLY.. !! As for the rest of this post, it is intended for the original poster. But mushroomtrip put everything together rather well.


What i was thinking when i read most of his posts (keep in mind in no way am i flaming, or mean any disrespect by this) is that he has missed out on a lot of things in life. Either from being shielded/protected by someone and/or from not getting things fixed sooner. IE not having friends because you feel weird, left out, so you don't talk to people. Looking down instead of up. For no reason should you be ashamed of who you are, or any problems you might have, that is NO reason to look at the ground. Everything i say, understand that i am not saying you are wrong in any way for how you feel, i know if i saw even the slightest hint of someone needing help, or that i thought that you weren't happy with yourself, i know i would get you help, but unfortunately not everyone is like that. I'm just trying to say that there is nothing wrong with you for having problems, everyone does, and that you are seeking help is a good thing, just know that things will get better. I don't know you, or what you've been through, but it sounds like you've missed out on a lot. But that is nothing that can not be fixed, even if it is true. I have had to go through a lot to get to who i am today, both good and bad, experiences are something that you've missed out on it seems, but don't think you haven't experienced anything. It may be true you need to experience more, but more experiences are something that you will be able to find easily given the right circumstances, they are not far from your reach, and those alone can help you do some of the things Ive already mentioned. That along with other things, i know everything will turn out a' okay! :thumbup:

Missing out on things could easily have caused you to miss out on a lot of things that most people experience early on in life. Ive had so many friends turn out to be total assholes, and so many turn out to be awesome people. Some falling in the cracks in between. But regardless, all the things Ive been through in my life that have caused me to learn most of the things i have, have been extremely difficult. At the time i probably would have easily looked down if i knew to, but its not something Ive ever been used to. Only by suffering through crappy friends can i now pretty much get the feel for a person right away..

I see how easy it would be to dismiss these things and kind of shy away from them. I doubt you knew this is what you were doing, but i see what you have said so far, and it seems like your mentality kind of protected you, with or without you knowing it. I think this though unfortunate, shows just how intelligent you really are. It just means you have some work to catch up on :grin:. Just know that no matter what problems you may have people in this community will always be there to help, no matter what the problem is. Feel free to message me anytime, i would be more then happy to help in any way that i can. Even if you just need someone to talk to. You sound like a great person, and i wouldn't mind in the slightest.

Someone can tell you something until they are blue in the face, but more often then not, you will not and can not, understand until you experience something on your own. Of course some things this not holding true to, but for the most part i see it as true.

My general opinion is you've missed out on a lot, and have a lot to learn, and experience. But you are a good person, i can easily tell that just by reading your posts. So don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. If your still looking down, look up, the world looks a whole lot better most the time when your actually looking at more then the ground, i promise. Though dark at times, the light tends to shine through even the darkest hours, even at night the moon light shines down. Though some things you experience will be mad, i can guarantee the good will far out weigh them.

As for you saying you don't want to be flamed. if anyone would have flamed you, they probably don't belong in this community. Not at all


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: LordSenate]
    #7147652 - 07/08/07 08:20 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Hey i was reading your post and i can relate to you. I get bouts of social anxiety, plenty of it. I used to get it alot but i had ways of covering it up, through acting the way people wanted me to act. Really, my social anxiety and fear of failure are the same. I am pre-occupied with the reality of creating something that i view as bad, be it a failure or bad impression(on someone). I've discovered through my experience that these all stem from not being able to accept ourselves as imperfect,(good and bad)ultimatly as expressors of this duality of truth that is within us for a reason, we need bad to experience good, we need bad to motivate us, give us purpose. I remember that as a child this was always there, as is our birth right to live within fairness and acceptance, but as we grow up we see that our acceptance of ourselves, which never came into question begins to change because we see that others, namely those older than us influence us so much to believe that acceptance is something that is found only external to us and so we develope a conditional acceptance of ourselves and others, finding nearly impossible to cope in a world like ours. Suicide is not far away from me, within this mind set, although i do not fear having thoughts of doing it, because within reminding yourself that you accept yourself and can for-give acceptance when you do fail, in the same you as when you succeed, suicide can seem like a choice not worth taking, not ever a fear. Really me and you are people that fear the inevitability of the nature of our being, a nature hidden in expectaion and conditional acceptance and love that rains over many peoples lives within our culture. Hostility is rational if and only if, we find it hard to accept ourselves unconditionally, for we fear falling back into an abyss of depression, that is usually sparked by not accepting and loving yourself,because these feelings come from the outside, thus creating paranoia towards losing your acceptance and becoming hostile towards opinions. Ironically, yet invitationally, Its our birth right to accept ourselves as having dignity for this very reason: we are not perfect, we are good and bad. Who i believe i am, is that within me who is working towards good and doing its best(all i can) with what i was given to achieve it.This is trully who we are and coming to grips with it, helps replace anxiety with feelings of euphoric freedom. Doubt is the only obstacle for me, because all this seems to good to be true. Yet this is not too good to be true at all, it is truth. You know we are all equals, no one can succeed better than another. The seems of someone doing a good thing is really just an outcome of what is trully going on: This person is doing his/her best with what she was given to express her nature as an imperfect being, driven by her/his very imperfection. Whenever you feel like the anxiety is to much, just close your eyes and remind whatever truth disintergrates the anxiety and fear, over an over, but do not just remind yourself of the conclusion, but how you got to it. Let your mind come to the realization of it, through truth.
I have a poem you may enjoy:
To me love is free.
Free from expectation,
Freeing me from self doubt,
witness fears disintergration,
Intergrating into love,
My spirit feels assured,
flying peacefully like a high-above,
After clearing my sight from expectaions and fear blurr.
Onto where i was as a child, to love open plains,
high above the clouds of pride and shame,
To do what i knew when i came to my earth,
Experiencing myself within love and truths constant rebirth.

Side note: I love you and i love myself for i know you are doing your what you can for yourself, you wonderful creative creations. ^.^


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The mind is a creative tool. It searches to protect you, through message sensations(feelings). It is no different than a computer, you need to make sure its anti-virus program is in check and that it doesnt have a script that limits your experience, because of to much precaution.

And remember the computer does not appear to respond to words of anger and frustration - just give it input, in the form of new meanings that you know to be true and its messages to you and the limits it lays out for you, will change.

Guilt is an outcome of believing you are the cause of the problems.

Yet, we are not a cause to something, we see is negative or bad - Unless you believe your intentions are directed towards a bad outcome....


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: LordSenate]
    #7147665 - 07/08/07 08:23 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, hard experiences are the one that make us grow.
It's something that we become aware of and then when we find ourselves in those situations, no matter how traumatizing they would are, we find power in the thought that we're getting out with a lesson learned and with the ability to make our lives better, since our views are more open.

But in the same time I think that Afro feels that he lacks of any experience, and that's what scares him most.
So he needs to become aware that ever this feeling he has, is still an experience, and one which can help him grow as a person in huge proportions.
In his current situation resides a huge potential, and I have the impression that he's getting closer to realizing it :smile:

I can perfectly understand why and what generates this defensive mechanism he's developed and all we can do is give him some pointers, so he can make the right connections, adapted to his life.
Soon he'll find himself thinking "I have nothing to be ashamed of", and that will be when he will fully understand everything that generated his current behavior. :mushroom2:


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: JoseLibrado]
    #7147673 - 07/08/07 08:26 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Definitely. I agree, its easy to shield yourself without even yourself knowing of it sometimes. In the past Ive managed to suppress my problems through drug abuse(though some drugs aren't used to hide the problem, others were..) or should i say i THOUGHT i was suppressing my problems, though if anyone is doing this, it doesn't last forever i promise, that as well as just worrying about it most of the time. Instead of facing my problems i would more often then not, think about what I was going to do, more so then actually trying to find ways to fixing it. I would go in circles, over and over again. If i wasn't doing that, then I would pretty much make sure i was so high i forgot about my problems, atleast for the time being. Only through doing what Ive mentioned did i actually get better. I was shielding myself more often then not, and only over a long period of time did i realize it. I was doing it myself without even thinking about it

Mind you i still use drugs, just not to suppress my problems. I have found ways to fix them, and ways to help myself. Everyone as long as they try, will find their 'way' sooner or later.

Its easy for me to feel good about myself, i dont know why, i have always been this way, though it has increased through my experiences, and only grown stronger. Some people i know aren't like that, but that can be fixed. Going through life not feeling good about myself, is something i would never try to do. If i didn't i would find a way quickly, and thats why its great that the poster of this thread is trying to get help. Its unfortunate, some people never get help, not even realizing they have problems, and its also unfortunate that some people can make it so far in life, missing so much, without anyone else getting them the help they deserve.

Though it has been hard at times, life is something i wouldn't want anyone to miss out on.

As stated in my other post, as it was edited : Though sometimes dark, light tends to shine even through the darkness. Even at night the moon light shines down.

I'm saying that myself, not quoted from anywhere. No matter what you are going through, things will always get better. There is nothing set, at any given moment things can change.

Though good and bad I'm sure if most people think about what they have experienced, the good far out weighs the bad.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: LordSenate]
    #7147731 - 07/08/07 08:41 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Yes I just read it :smile:


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7147746 - 07/08/07 08:44 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

it seems my posts got jumbled due to re-editing and re-editing ^_^, it also seems that i post a bit to fast for my own good sometimes. Even the one you just replied to haha.

If anyone has read my posts up to this one, and now this one has changed. I highly suggest you re-read all of my posts, as they more then likely contain changes to give you a better understanding of what i was trying to say Or changing it to what i was actually trying to say, instead of saying something else on accident.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: LordSenate]
    #7147777 - 07/08/07 08:56 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Well I think that drugs can be used... and if used properly, they can have a huge therapeutic value and can come in great help in the path oh getting to know oneself.

Afro says that drugs can help him, but he gave too little details.
I'd like to know exactly what he feels when he takes them and how does he feel after. I think that's another important thing that relates to his feelings.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7147819 - 07/08/07 09:07 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I don't aprove of the use of Ritalin on youngsters but I thought the effect was reversed from an amphetamine to a calmative.

The armed forces don't accept people who have been treated with Ritalin as youngsters, so there is something about it that parents should be aware of.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7147835 - 07/08/07 09:10 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

Definitely. They can help, i didn't mean that drugs used in that way couldn't help, if that is how it seemed.

I meant in me taking so many xanax and oxycontin, i would actually forgot what my problems were in the first place. Until i came down, then i would just do it all over again. So as long as i wasn't sober i was hiding all my problems for another day. Though if anyone reads this and it gets any ideas, it doesn't work, i promise. Maybe for the time being but one day they will no longer work, and everything will come tumbling down. All those things you were trying to suppress will hit you like a brick wall eventually. Better to deal with them now then later. In other words one or two at time instead of 100 things at once. IMO

But i didn't mean actually using the medication how it was prescribed, for the reasons it was prescribed for wouldn't work.

By all means medicine can and DOES help more often then not. Now that i use the medicine i am given for the reason it was actually prescribed, they do help quite a bit more then the times that they don't. If they don't fix the problem, usually trying something else, eventually works.

Also unless i knew i needed medication, i wouldn't seek it out as an 'end all' for my problems. The things i know i have to get medicine for like when i start having breathing problems (twice a year), and other things that aren't related to normal health issues, if its serious, and affecting my over all health and i cant fix it, then yeah i definatelly go to the doctors for help. But certainly do not think medicine is going to fix all your problems.

Errr. Not trying to make this thread about me, so anyways.

If anyone misunderstood what i was saying, i just wanted to clarify that. I need to start fixing my post's BEFORE i post them lol!

Also MushroomTrip understand a lot of things i say that may be in a response to you, are not directed at you, but at people that may end up reading my posts.

But i think you know what is and is not directed at you.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #7147844 - 07/08/07 09:13 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I hear you. I've been down that road too. Seek professional help and know that you're not alone.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: Booby]
    #7147846 - 07/08/07 09:13 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

the military doesn't accept most people who come in with any issues, not just ones that were prescribed Ritalin. Thats why most people lie, you should see the questions they ask you on the thing when you sign up. Believe me you would lie to (not saying i lied!!!).

But i am in the military, and while in the military have been prescribed that, though it was quickly changed to adderal.

But generally the military doesnt accept anyone with any medical problems that might cause feature ones in the line of duty. IE. Mental health problems, Asthma.. etc. etc.

Stuff like that, so that is not the factor in why they won't accept them for that reason.

Im sure they could get a waiver to join, even if they had been previously precribed it.

As for me I don't see the relevance in Adderall, Ritalin or anything of the like being use in treatment. I just don't see how it helps, i think that the risks, or the negative things are far worse then the positive.


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Re: Plz help--in need of advice. [Re: Booby]
    #7147849 - 07/08/07 09:14 PM (5 years, 10 months ago)

I don't approve it either.
To be more exact, I don't approve any kind of similar "treatment"
I was referring to psychedelic psychotherapy or MDMA psychotherapy. These things work. :thumbup:


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