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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7120908 - 07/02/07 08:57 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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When you macerated in ethyl alcohol, what kind did you use? I've heard that using wine spirits is better, but also I've heard of Everclear being used. What is the best alcohol to use to macerate the herbs in?
Anyways nice work and thanks for the pics I was planning on distilling some absinthe this fall too as I have quite a few wormwood plants growing. I guess ill have to find the other herbs elsewhere though...
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: fishersfinest]
#7134166 - 07/05/07 08:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, change of plan.
I did some lurking at the Home Distiller forums, and it seems that I may have done a few things incorrectly.
Here is the method I will be following this time:
14g Wormwood 28g Anise seed 28g Fennel 0.6g Roman Wormwood 0.6g Hyssop 0.3g Lemon balm
1. Grind herbs in blender 2. Soak for 24 hours in 500ml of 85% alcohol at 30-40 degrees C (a hot water bath works well for holding this temperature) 3. Add 250ml water 4. Place solution in still 5. Distill SLOWLY and collect 500ml 6. Switch receptacles and continue distilling, saving tails for future runs 7. Crush up colouring herbs with fingers 8. Heat half of distillate to a temperature no warmer than my finger can bear and macerate roman wormwood, hyssop, and lemon balm 9. Remove from heat and let cool 10. Filter and recombine with other half 11. Filter one more time with coffee filter 12. Bottle and age at least 2 months before imbibing
If you look, you will notice that I am cutting the colouring herbs down quite a bit. It seems that to obtain adequate colouration, you must scale the colouring herbs down by another factor of 10, after scaling down the recipe. This way I can conserve my precious (expensive) Artemisia Pontica. After colouration, if the solution isn't dark enough, I can simply add more herbs to the mix.
The more I look at my pictures, the more I realize that it didn't really louche that much. Hopefully by adding heat to the maceration, I will be able to pull out more of the oils from the mix.
I am just going to use a 1.14 liter glass bottle submersed in a water bath for this run. I will also be using my electric skillet so I can better control the temperature. My condenser is, as mentioned previously, copper tubing wound through the inside of a bucket filled with water.
I am working all weekend, so I will have to wait until next weekend to do this. I cant wait! 
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Edited by Quoiyaien (07/13/07 11:19 AM)
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7134203 - 07/05/07 08:56 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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you have inspired me Quoiyaien.
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: LeftyBurnz]
#7134469 - 07/05/07 09:49 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good to know! 
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7168001 - 07/12/07 10:27 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I tried a run with my electric skillet, and it cant even boil a pot of water 
So, I am going to pick up a hot plate for $25 and use that. I also found a lab supply store near where I live and am going to pick up a 2000ml Erlenmeyer flask to use as a boiler.
As for the condenser, I couldn't get a coil I was happy with so I scrapped the whole thing. I ended up making a Liebig condenser using vinyl tubing as a jacket around a 3/8" OD copper tube. I attached two plastic tees at the ends and sealed around the copper tubing with silicone. Attached perpendicularly to the unit is two lengths of the same vinyl tubing used as the jacket. On the end of the bottom tube, I attached a fixture to mount it to my faucet garden hose style, so the water runs up and out the top tube. I will post a pic of this later.
Unfortunately (and fortunately ) I will be heading to Vancouver on Monday, so all this will have to wait until I get back. Starting with this run, I will be collecting the tails to add to future batches.
I cant wait! 
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7168955 - 07/13/07 01:23 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very nice pictorial and write up. I have a question though. What is the point of distillation? You are already using grain alcohol and you water it down twice, so why not just filter it through coffee filters or some other medium and call it done?
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: daussaulit]
#7169323 - 07/13/07 02:39 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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In order to remove the extremely bitter flavours from the wormwood, it must be distilled.
Its quite remarkable how the distillation process changes the flavour of a horribly bitter swill into a drink with so much depth and complexity.
Basically, the distillation turned this:

into this:

Just look at all the stuff that gets removed.
Plus the whole process is quite fun 
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Edited by Quoiyaien (07/13/07 02:59 AM)
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7169828 - 07/13/07 05:43 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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whats teh ideal temperature to distil wormwood at???
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: kadakuda]
#7170262 - 07/13/07 11:17 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its best to go slow with the whole process. The solution will start boiling around 80 C. I distilled mine using too much heat, and I nearly scorched the herbs in the process. I think it is best to use a hot water bath to heat the solution so the temperature doesn't go above 100 C.
For my next attempt, I will use a pot of water on top of a hot plate, with my boiler (Erlenmeyer flask) placed in that.
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7170275 - 07/13/07 11:25 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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On that note, I will just add that my impatience got the better of me, and I ended up trying another glass. It has gotten a lot better in only a couple weeks time, and it actually louched pretty well. Way better than the first glass. I had a buddy of mine over, and we did a comparison between my La Fee, and my homemade stuff. We both agreed that mine tasted very rich and complex with a strong herbal profile, while the La Fee tasted quite simple, and was mostly dominated by the anise tasting more like sambuca. I am wondering how my new setup will alter the flavours. The new still I made has an ascending lyne arm, so there will be much more reflux resulting in a subtler flavour.
I also noticed that my wormwood is moderately stemmy. It is said that the stems add a bitter quility to the distillate, so I am going to remove as much of them as possible before maceration.
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7170708 - 07/13/07 01:20 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, check it out. Here are some pics of my Liebig Condenser:

Here is a close-up of the Tee. On the right you can see how I sealed it.

The jacket is completely airtight, and I didnt use one drop of sealant. Just vinyl tubing and machine clamps. I went to home depot and told the guy I was making a still, and he got all excited and spent half an hour helping me get the right parts. Gotta love Home Depot! 
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7170968 - 07/13/07 02:18 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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This thread has been very good reading .
I was watching a show the other day about Absinthe Distillation, and it has gotten me thinking of buying a small still.
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: fishersfinest]
#7173208 - 07/14/07 01:07 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Has anyone made or drank Piołunówka before? I was wondering if it is better than absinthe. absinthe just got me really drunk and left a shitty taste in my mouth like I just ate vicks vapor rub and licorice.
What's it supposed to feel like? if this is it then it was not worth the 60 bucks and gross taste.
maybe I got some poorly made shit?
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Jive turkey]
#7174023 - 07/14/07 10:00 AM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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if you bought it from a store or online then yah you wasted your money. Sopposedly the only way to experience it is to make it yourself with proper ingrediancts
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: makaveli8x8]
#7174366 - 07/14/07 12:20 PM (5 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jive turkey said: maybe I got some poorly made shit?
Yes, that seems to be the case, as absinthe is quite a wonderful beverage if prepared correctly. I am assuming you diluted it with water?
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makaveli8x8 said: if you bought it from a store or online then yah you wasted your money. Sopposedly the only way to experience it is to make it yourself with proper ingrediancts
Not entirely true. There are a few places to order high quality absinthe from such as LdF. With that being said, there are many more sites that sell crap.
But mostly I do agree. To me, the real experience is making it, then marvelling at the creation in the form of a nice buzz. Now keep in mind, that very often the psychedelic effects are overplayed by unscrupulous vendors reporting "High Thujone" and crap like that. Thujone is toxic, plain and simple. In small doses (like those present in well made absinthe) is adds a nice mild alertness to an otherwise normal drunkenness. The amount of thujone required to make you hallucinate would have you convulsing on the ground, long before you saw any green fairies.
To me, the added effects seem to come from the synergy of the herbs themselves (along with the high % of alcohol) rather than any one particular chemical component. It is a very mild difference, not a pot-like buzz that I have heard so much about. Lookat how being drunk on Tequila is different than being drunk on beer, which is different than being drunk on whisky etc... The same difference applies to that of an absinthe intoxication. Still drunk from the alcohol, but there is a mild difference that sets it apart.
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7258769 - 08/04/07 12:54 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Its wonderful to see your project progress! Go Quoiyaien Go!
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There are a few places to order high quality absinthe from such as LdF. With that being said, there are many more sites that sell crap.
With Absinthe there is the strange reality that most brands sold are utter crap or not even remotely close to what Absinthe is like. Its basically buying a bar that says CHOCOLATE and once home you discover theres chewing gum in it, that big a difference.
Because this thread is so great and I want to add good content to it I'll repost my advice on absinthe below:
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The market is saturated with all sorts of crap at sometimes outrageous prices. It is important to realize that a lot of "Absinthes" you can buy quite often have nothing to do with real Absinthe. Here's advice on which kinds to buy, at what price, and how to prepare it. The preparation is detailed in the attached video.
OK, here goes.
Absinthe can be bought in bottles of 0.1, 0.2, 0.5 and 1 liter.
For liters, you can expect to pay $50-$150. Since a serving of absinthe before dilution measures 20-30ml, this boils down to $1-$5 per glass. Here are brands that come highly recommended:
DUPLAIS (Balance, Verte, Blanche) FRANCOIS GUY HELFRICH (Verte, La Blanche) JADE (Edouard, Nouvelle Orleans, PF 1901, Verte Suisse) LA VALOTE (Bovet, Fornoni, Martin) LASALA (spanish Absenta, can be had for $35/liter) SEGARRA (spanish Absenta) UN EMILE 68 (also their La Blanche) VERSINTHE (Verte and especially La Blanche) VERTE DE FOUGEROLLES
These 20 Absinthes from 10 houses all are top notch quality, contrary to the extensive list of crappy or even false Absinthes. You can expect to pay $75 a liter on average.
As you can see there are two kinds of Absinthe: Verte (green) and La Blanche (white). Both are traditional. Basically the distilled Absinthes are La Blanche, and when additive herbs are steeped into it it gains flavor and a green color, producing a Verte.
If you have not a clue which to select my personal choice for the beginner would be to buy a 0.5 liter bottle of Duplais Balance (costs about $35, 15-25 glasses) which is a rather good Verte absinthe, and to buy an absinthe spoon with it.
You can use a white wine glass to serve Absinthe:

Make sure the glass can comfortably hold 130ml (30+100) or 90ml (20+60) which your Absinthe requires, and that it is fairly wide so it can fit an absinthe spoon. If you want to improvise entirely, a metal tea-strainer can be put on the glass to hold the sugarcube, and a teaspoon can be used to stir the dilute Absinthe afterwards.
An Absinthe preparation that's good for all kinds is to take a wine glass, pour in 30ml (20ml) of Absinthe, then pour 100ml (60ml) icecold water over one sugar cube on an Absinthe spoon, then stirring until all sugar is dissolved in the dilute Absinthe. Upon diluting, most good absinthe turns cloudy (the "louche") or even becomes so cloudy as to become non-transparent. This is usually a good sign, whereas absence of a louche usually is a bad sign.
You drink Absinthe by taking a sip, and spreading it through your mouth for some time before swallowing. Let the aftertaste linger before you sip some more. It is all about the taste, and a good Absinthe has a lot of taste to it. You should relax and take your time for enjoying Absinthe - if a glass lasts you at least twenty minutes before its empty, you are on the right track. Absinthe is not for chugging, and isn't about getting hammered either.
I cannot stress enough that Absinthe should always be diluted with water, 2-5 parts of water to one part of Absinthe. Drinking it neat is like drinking lemonade syrup neat: you can't expect it to taste good that way. Adding one cube of sugar is most common, some add two and others none. Sugar helps to bring out the flavor.
It's important to realize that Absinthe, real Absinthe, is a drink with often a strong anise flavor to it. If you don't like anise, chances are you won't like Absinthe.
Absinthe is best reserved for before or after dinner, or at the close of day, alone or discussing with friends. I recommend against drinking more than three glasses on a given day: if alcohol becomes a factor it is best to switch to a less refined drink better suited for stiff drinking. Absinthe is too expensive to get drunk on, it has too much flavor for continued drinking, and may give rise to a fiendish hangover if drank in excess. For the frequent drinker, one glass of absinthe a day is the most you should drink of it, and preferably more days without absinthe than with to keep it special.
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#7271758 - 08/07/07 10:08 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, it seems I am going to have to wait a bit before I do a run with my new condenser. Funds are low this month, and I cant afford to buy the rest of the supplies I need.
Bloody hell 
Oh well, I am going to do another run with a wok still of a slightly different design this time around. I will post a pic of the new still as soon as I find the right parts.
Peace 

EDIT: I just noticed that this is my 777th post, and that when I clicked on the thread link, it had been viewed 777 times. Trippy
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7297348 - 08/15/07 01:49 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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Alright, another re-design on the recipe. I actually managed to pick up the rest of the supplies, and will be commencing next weekend. I am going to make a liter this time, so I have more to last me until subsequent batches have a chance to age. Here is the new method/recipe:
25g Wormwood 50g Anise seed 50g Fennel 1g Roman Wormwood 1g Hyssop 0.5g Lemon balm
1. Grind first 3 herbs in blender 2. Soak for 24 hours in 1000ml of 85% alcohol at ~30 degrees C 3. Add 450ml water and 500ml Arak (replace with tails once collected for subsequent batches) 4. Place solution in still 5. Distill SLOWLY and collect 1000ml 6. Switch receptacles and continue distilling, collecting 500ml of tails 7. Crush up colouring herbs with fingers 8. Heat half of distillate to a temperature no warmer than my finger can bear and macerate roman wormwood, hyssop, and lemon balm 9. Remove from heat and let cool 10. Filter and recombine with other half 11. Filter one more time with coffee filter 12. Bottle and age at least 2 months
I just thought I'd add that my previous batch is aging quite nicely. I got impatient again, and ended up having another glass. Solid louche, and a nicely balanced flavour. The alcohol still has a bit of a bite to it, but hopefully that will smoothen out in another month or so.
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Edited by Quoiyaien (08/26/07 01:40 PM)
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7305577 - 08/17/07 07:06 PM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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here is a great website which details how to build your own still:
http://www.moonshine-still.com/page2.htm
theres loads of mash recipes on the net too
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Re: Absinthe Distillation Pictorial [Re: Quoiyaien]
#7306724 - 08/18/07 05:15 AM (5 years, 9 months ago) |
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