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Please answer these questions for me:
Why do you believe in the Christian god? What have you experienced that made you believe in god without any empirical evidence? What about dinosaur fossils? Was he testing your faith? HO HO HO I'm a prankster god. That would be a little disconcerting, a god fucking around with your head. Believe in me or be damned eternally? I thought your god loved infinitely?
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Think all the christians fled, their seems to be a heavy anti christian vibe here. Anyhow I'll toss you some common answers
I believe in the Christian god as he is the only true one and only god.
Dinosaur fossils were put here by satan (fundamentalist doctrines).
Yes, of course he was testing our faith satan does that, yet god embraces us by giving us the option to escape from said situations.
Your not forced to believe, but of course heaven won't be afforded to you.
Our god does love infinitely, he loves you too, you need only to open your heart to him.
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Why would he create something to test your faith? Why are their only two options, believe or suffer eternally? Seems quite like entrapment. Everything you believe is subjective and irrational.
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well remember what Jesus said
damn the scribes and pharisees, hypocrites, they do not go inward nor do they allow others to go in.
Now Buddha said the same thing, he said his teaching was a dangerous snake, to be handled with supreme care. He also said that one has no use for a raft when they reach the shore and it must be discarded.
The thing is, the Christian religion does not commonly teach others that they can become Christ. "be ye therefore perfect" they are dogmatic. So if Jesus were around today he would destroy what American calls Christianity but he wouldn't necessarily destroy the notions that his symbol stood for.
Remember the Good Friday study ? Leary dosing religious scholars? I think it was the first time many of them actually SAW God. Thich Nhat Hanh instructed some various faiths in meditation and afterwards they expressed that there really is so much more to God than what words convey, as if they had never even strayed out of the logical dogmatic brain before.
What we see in this nation is super literal childlike thinking around a very dogmatic set of texts. This is what Jesus lamented in his days, if you ask me.
I am an authority, but I would say "Think for yourself, question authority" can sum up his message pretty well.
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Please answer these questions for me:
Why do you believe in the Christian god? What have you experienced that made you believe in god without any empirical evidence? What about dinosaur fossils? Was he testing your faith? HO HO HO I'm a prankster god. That would be a little disconcerting, a god fucking around with your head. Believe in me or be damned eternally? I thought your god loved infinitely?
Mocking questions from an anti-christian troll looking for a rise.
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robbyberto said:
Please answer these questions for me:
Why do you believe in the Christian god? What have you experienced that made you believe in god without any empirical evidence? What about dinosaur fossils? Was he testing your faith? HO HO HO I'm a prankster god. That would be a little disconcerting, a god fucking around with your head. Believe in me or be damned eternally? I thought your god loved infinitely?
Mocking questions from an anti-christian troll looking for a rise.
we all ask questions and you give us a 'textbook' or 'bible' answer. Give us your unbias answer. As in the step by step process that you think and feel and maybe JUST MAYBE will we get somewhere.
Otherwise we will continue these one way arguments and nobody will get anywhere. This answer that I quoted by you expresses your inability to form a response. By either thinking we won't understand or you just not knowning enough to refute our claims. Honestly, if we get you fired up then that's your problem and your insecurity.
There's a lot of people here that have the beliefs they have due to real life experiences either with or without much knowledge of the bible. If you can't agree with anyone other than your bias self then, honestly, what're you trying to prove? The whole bible/christianity is very trivial but a lot of people have had amazing experiences in life and don't tag the name Jesus or God. You could discredit them and makeup something to fit these scenarios, but without your bias, fairy-tale reasoning, you have no truth.
You are like someone who values a dead tree. The tree will fall and you've grown with it so you don't want to let it go. You decide to put wooden stakes up to prevent harsh winds from bringing it down, douse it in pesticides and fungicides to prevent its decay. I guess you could go so far as to gloss this tree, but that would just preserve it's superficial presence.
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Please answer these questions for me:
Why do you believe in the Christian god? What have you experienced that made you believe in god without any empirical evidence? What about dinosaur fossils? Was he testing your faith? HO HO HO I'm a prankster god. That would be a little disconcerting, a god fucking around with your head. Believe in me or be damned eternally? I thought your god loved infinitely?
Mocking questions from an anti-christian troll looking for a rise.
I never said I was an anti-Christian. I guess it all seems so ridiculous to me, but I find your faith intriguing. Religion just seems so archaic and pointless now. Religion has done some good but on the whole it only leads to more conflict and suffering. Getting mad at what I said, even though it was said somewhat mockingly, only validates it. I would like to see your rebuttal instead of the whole non-believer automatic hate response.
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How many threads are you gonna make about how stupid you feel christians are?
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nevermind, i guess i was thinking you had made more. but i've seen you post about christianity on others, and it just kind of seems immature to make threads like this.
i dont believe in christianity or any other religion, but understnad what makes people and accept it. i dont feel a need to try to argue with it.
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I think this is the second thread I have ever made about Christianity specifically.
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i think you just need to chill and accept christianity for what it is: just another governing religion
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I think we're allowed to have as many curiosities as possible as well as making them public.
Also I don't see this act as being futile because there's always a probability to actually change something or maybe just clear some misunderstandings.
I don't really understand why you're so bothered by this thread.
Edit: if one opens a thread about murder for example, you can say the same thing: why don't you just accept that there will always be people who kill and there's nothing you can do about it so the best thing you could do is accept it. Well it's not like that. If one disagrees something one should speak up and try to understand and analyze the issue as much as possible (which also implies asking opinions from different people in order to facilitate a better and more complex understanding).
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i think you just need to chill and accept christianity for what it is: just another governing religion
I just cant wrap my head around it.
Take your normal Christian man. He is born in a country where the majority of people are also Christians. His parents tell him about Jesus and God and believes every bit of it. Is it possible that he believes in a Christianity just because everyone else around him believes it? Just following the herd. Chances are if that man was born in Iraq he would be a Muslim and accept the Koran as absolute truth. The man doesn't read about other religions, he just follows everyone else. That only invalidates it all for me.
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Why would he create something to test your faith? Why are their only two options, believe or suffer eternally? Seems quite like entrapment. Everything you believe is subjective and irrational.
Being Human lends itself to everything ultimately being subjective and therefore irrational from your point of view. He wants humans to belive in him, its a test of faith, the bible doesn't give a why it merely stipulates that he allows this temptation through the use of letting those elements that cause temptations and tests of faith to exist. Their are more then two options depending on your faith, their also exists a so called limbo (catholicism google christianity limbo for more info).
This is betterr for the p&s forulm tbh, as your attempting to debate in some regard this forum is merely for making statements, well more or less.
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evolution... dinosaurs... common ancestry among primates (& eventually all earth-life)
universal beginings with so-called "big-bang...
not all christians are bible-thumping fundies...
why do you assume that folks who consider themselves to be christian automatically reject evolution?
sheesh...
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Re: Christians [Re: gnrm23]
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evolution... dinosaurs... common ancestry among primates (& eventually all earth-life)
universal beginings with so-called "big-bang...
not all christians are bible-thumping fundies...
why do you assume that folks who consider themselves to be christian automatically reject evolution?
sheesh...
shalom...
I never said any of that actually.
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Why would he create something to test your faith? Why are their only two options, believe or suffer eternally? Seems quite like entrapment. Everything you believe is subjective and irrational.
Being Human lends itself to everything ultimately being subjective and therefore irrational from your point of view. He wants humans to belive in him, its a test of faith, the bible doesn't give a why it merely stipulates that he allows this temptation through the use of letting those elements that cause temptations and tests of faith to exist. Their are more then two options depending on your faith, their also exists a so called limbo (catholicism google christianity limbo for more info).
This is betterr for the p&s forulm tbh, as your attempting to debate in some regard this forum is merely for making statements, well more or less.
So your saying whatever you believe is what will happen to you when you die? I know what limbo is and recently the Catholic church officially renounced it.
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You made it implicitly through questioning dinosaurs which brings it up as an issue which it would be if you weren't talking about the fundies. So this topic is kinda reserved for them.
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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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i think you just need to chill and accept christianity for what it is: just another governing religion
I just cant wrap my head around it.
Take your normal Christian man. He is born in a country where the majority of people are also Christians. His parents tell him about Jesus and God and believes every bit of it. Is it possible that he believes in a Christianity just because everyone else around him believes it? Just following the herd. Chances are if that man was born in Iraq he would be a Muslim and accept the Koran as absolute truth. The man doesn't read about other religions, he just follows everyone else. That only invalidates it all for me.
My experience was completely opposite. I was raised without any religion at all, never went to any church, ever. I was the agnostic atheist’s atheist, thought Christians were foolish and deluded. My philosophy of life was basically try to treat others and you would like to be treated. Also live a hedonistic existence as much as possible, why not, after all when you die you die.
Then at 35 the truth of the gospel was shown to me. If anyone would have said I would eventually become a Christian I would have told them that is impossible and will never happen. When God wants to save someone He will bring it to pass, no matter what!
The churches today are not bringing the true gospel, but a counterfeit. Even though they are false, God will deliver His people no matter what.
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No I'm not saying that, I'm merely arguing the christian side that deem fit to criticize.That belief is ludicrous from a christian perspective as a version of heaven is dictated through the bible however it varies by interpretation.
Well limbo did exist for a time anyhow so all those that held the belief made that inclusive of their doctrine, it was as real as heaven and hell were as a result of conception.
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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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You mean the Jews? Those are his people.
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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
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All believers are the spiritual "Jews".
Rom 2:28-29
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Ga 6:16
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
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Limbo is Roman Catholic, and Roman Catholic is not Christian.
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My experience was completely opposite. I was raised without any religion at all, never went to any church, ever. I was the agnostic atheist’s atheist, thought Christians were foolish and deluded. My philosophy of life was basically try to treat others and you would like to be treated. Also live a hedonistic existence as much as possible, why not, after all when you die you die.
Then at 35 the truth of the gospel was shown to me. If anyone would have said I would eventually become a Christian I would have told them that is impossible and will never happen. When God wants to save someone He will bring it to pass, no matter what!
The churches today are not bringing the true gospel, but a counterfeit. Even though they are false, God will deliver His people no matter what.
Explain how and why if you don't mind.
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Its not? I beg to differ.
Chris·tian /ˈkrɪstʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kris-chuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
2. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.
3. of or pertaining to Christians: many Christian deaths in the Crusades.
4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike: She displayed true Christian charity.
5. decent; respectable: They gave him a good Christian burial.
6. human; not brutal; humane: Such behavior isn't Christian.
–noun 7. a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity.
8. a person who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of Christ: He died like a true Christian.
9. a member of any of certain Protestant churches, as the Disciples of Christ and the Plymouth Brethren.
10. the hero of Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress.
11. a male given name.
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I you wish to consider Roman Catholics as Christian fine, but I certainly do not.
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Read the definition, they clearly are regardless of your belief.
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You define what Christian means by a dictionary, I define it by scripture.
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My experience was completely opposite. I was raised without any religion at all, never went to any church, ever. I was the agnostic atheist’s atheist, thought Christians were foolish and deluded. My philosophy of life was basically try to treat others and you would like to be treated. Also live a hedonistic existence as much as possible, why not, after all when you die you die.
Then at 35 the truth of the gospel was shown to me. If anyone would have said I would eventually become a Christian I would have told them that is impossible and will never happen. When God wants to save someone He will bring it to pass, no matter what!
The churches today are not bringing the true gospel, but a counterfeit. Even though they are false, God will deliver His people no matter what.
Explain how and why if you don't mind.
“Explain how and why if you don't mind. "
Hmm, well I'll assume you mean how and why I became a Christian.
I figured with such a big fuss about the Christian thing I had better look into it. So I asked my "Christian" co-workers about what it was all about. I never got a straight answer, but was told I had to "accept" and I would be a Christian. Well eventually I "accepted", whatever that meant I didn't know, and now I was supposed to be Christian. Well I still didn't "get it". I know now I was NOT a Christian at that time. I would try to find some book that would explain it, so I went to bookstores, which was useless. Tried to listen to Christian radio/TV, which is a waste. I would try to read the Bible but it really seemed impossible to understand and a mystery. So I would try to act "Christian" to best I could. The more I tried to be Christian, the more I would act opposite to it. I was being shown something, that I was inherently unrighteous, and unable to do anything about it. I was puzzled, after all wasn't I a Christian now, so why am I acting this way? I was coming into Holy Spirit conviction, I didn't know what it was when it was happening. I got to the point of complete despair, undone, unable to get out of my own blackened heart. At that point I was shown in scripture that Christ's righteousness is the only righteousness that God will accept, and the great weight of despair was lifted. And I knew immediately I was saved. It is nothing like I imagined it. From that point on when I read the Bible it made perfect sense, I "got it".
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Whats the definition by scripture if you don't mind. Is it clear or merely your interpretation?
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Sounds like you force feed it to yourself. But isn't it strange how the bible is hard to understand? I mean you would think the creator of language would write more clearly.
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 Yeah, but they always give you the fact that it was written by man through god as an excuse for errors and lack of clarity.
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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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Yeah, but they always give you the fact that it was written by man through god as an excuse for errors and lack of clarity.
It was written by the Holy Spirit through men, it has no errors, and its message is very clear.
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Evidence where does it define christian? I'm not even going to touch on the fact that it has no errors, as it has plenty of contradictions, or are those in a different tense? That goes well beyond this thread but it does have errors, plenty of them.
Its very clear yet we have hundreds of different interpretations on christianity... ok  
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"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
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The fundamentalist approach to God was formed by pervasion of the church for power of the church, the holy spirit is real and jesus was real, now God incarnate I don't know. Watch and listen, read the holy bible and read the Gnostic gospels.
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Why do you believe in the Christian god?
I believe the "Christian god" is but one manifestation of the one unknowable Godhead.
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What have you experienced that made you believe in god without any empirical evidence?
I've had several personal religious experiences of Christ.
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What about dinosaur fossils? Was he testing your faith? HO HO HO I'm a prankster god. That would be a little disconcerting, a god fucking around with your head.
Not all Christians are young earth creationists. I happen to believe that evolution is a method through which God creates.
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Believe in me or be damned eternally? I thought your god loved infinitely?
You seem to be under the impression that all Christians are fundamentalists. This is far from the truth. You can believe or not believe as you choose. My faith in God is based on experience, not fear.
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Why do you believe in the Christian god?
I believe the "Christian god" is but one manifestation of the one unknowable Godhead.
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What have you experienced that made you believe in god without any empirical evidence?
I've had several personal religious experiences of Christ.
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What about dinosaur fossils? Was he testing your faith? HO HO HO I'm a prankster god. That would be a little disconcerting, a god fucking around with your head.
Not all Christians are young earth creationists. I happen to believe that evolution is a method through which God creates.
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Believe in me or be damned eternally? I thought your god loved infinitely?
You seem to be under the impression that all Christians are fundamentalists. This is far from the truth. You can believe or not believe as you choose. My faith in God is based on experience, not fear.
So if I make up a religion and write books about it then the god of my books is also a piece of the "god-head"? Why did the bible say that the Earth was created only thousands of years ago? Wouldn't this god be able to understand how quickly humans would come to disprove it? Can you tell me about this experiences you had with Christ? Sorry I have a lot of questions but it is only because I haven't had to much contact with Christians that talking openly and debate before. Messages boards are very good for talking like this.
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So if I make up a religion and write books about it then the god of my books is also a piece of the "god-head"?
God is a source of infinite possibilities, with infinite manifestations. Any human conception of God is necessarily incomplete, though taken together, they can show us a different aspect.
[qupte]Why did the bible say that the Earth was created only thousands of years ago?
It didn't. You just did.
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Can you tell me about this experiences you had with Christ? Sorry I have a lot of questions but it is only because I haven't had to much contact with Christians that talking openly and debate before. Messages boards are very good for talking like this.
I have somewhere I have to be right now, but I'll describe my experiences later.
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The bible doesn't state that, you can't state stuff from a book you have never read. People came up with that by adding up geneology, Find out as much as you can about the who, what, where and when of the making, writing and who held and translated the bible and then come back to the debate. You can not have this conversation from what you've heard people say, they are mostly decieved and liars.
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Re: Christians [Re: Adom]
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Like everything in the bible its open to interpretation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
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Re: Christians [Re: Adom]
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The bible doesn't state that, you can't state stuff from a book you have never read. People came up with that by adding up geneology, Find out as much as you can about the who, what, where and when of the making, writing and who held and translated the bible and then come back to the debate. You can not have this conversation from what you've heard people say, they are mostly decieved and liars.
I definately do need to do more research about Christianity and religion in general. Sorry if I came off as an asshole, but I am sometimes. 
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Ezekiel and Leviticus, as well as Revelations are my favorite books in the Bible. Some fascinating reading!
UFOs in the Bible.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2468513647837058435&q
"The Bible: A sacred text filled with fantastic tales of an awesome supernatural force...but what if that force wasn't God? What if it was a UFO? In Ezekiel, what was that gleaming wheel within a wheel that descended on the prophet...?"
Interesting lil' video.
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christians are insecure.
they need jesus as their rebound
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christians are insecure.
they need jesus as their rebound
What an incredibly presumptuous statement. Got any facts to back that up, or are just going to talk shit without any real arguments?
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I don't think you came off as an asshole brother. This is just incredibley hard to discuss with someone who doesn't know much about these things and goes off heresy.
Seek with an open heart and an open mind and the truth will be revealed to you. Patience.
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The bible doesn't state that, you can't state stuff from a book you have never read. People came up with that by adding up geneology, Find out as much as you can about the who, what, where and when of the making, writing and who held and translated the bible and then come back to the debate. You can not have this conversation from what you've heard people say, they are mostly decieved and liars.
I definately do need to do more research about Christianity and religion in general. Sorry if I came off as an asshole, but I am sometimes.
And that's great to realize that the research will help you form your own opinion.
let give you something to consider and research, that may shed some light on how these things are possible with God, but also follows with Silversouls assertion.
First of all, the bible, (Genesis) does not say that God created the earth 5000 years ago, as is commonly projected by people and some fundamental sects. What it says, needs to be taken metaphorically.
The process of creation is described as a week long process, 7 days.
As with most of the metaphors in the bible, this can be linked the statement: "a day for the Lord is like a thousand years". In other words, time is a human projection, and human relative for what we know about it. As the nature, and scope of God is unknowable to us, this time period could be 7000 years or 70 billion years.
Also, there is what is known as the "GAP" theory in theology. This says that creation took place -6 days- and then the 7 day god rested. How long was the 7 day? Thousands or billions of years? Who knows?
I don't, and really, I have reached a point in my experience of God(Christ) and faith, that it really doesn't matter to me. These subjects are debatable ad infinitum at this point in time, and i don't see that changing in my life time. Also, What I don't see ever changing is the true character and nature of god being revealed to man until he is ready to make that happen.
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well, i believe in self reliance, instead of having to think some messiah is taking care of me
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blasphemy, you must rely on the ONE for HE and he alone know THE WAY. It's not like you don't have anything genetically entitling you of a lesser fitness. except of a godly fitness.
to dirt(because I don't believe in hell) with this mesiah and quackery of organised religion
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For water benefits all things
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It provides for all people
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In this way it is just like Tao ~Tao Te Ching/Daodejing
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Re: Christians [Re: Cracka_X]
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HAIL BLACK JESUS !!! 
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"I'm guessing the 'ancient lost drug' of india is psychedelic mushrooms. The correlation between sacred cows (in hinduism) and magic mushrooms growing on cow dung is too strong to ignore, if you ask me."
As the ocean waves, the universe "peoples"
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AMEN BOXYBROWN!
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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao ~Tao Te Ching/Daodejing
"Find what you're looking for by not looking for it." ~Old Hippie Philosophy
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Quite frankly scared the shit out of me. Unmistakable. Anthropomorphic. Most definitely NOT socially acceptable in any way. Is absolutely fine with the drugs...
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check-out "the sacred mushroom & the cross"(on-line via - google/yahoo)
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