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Does anyone here get your dog stoned as fuck? Or get ur pet on any drug at all? I remember one time my dog got a hold of one or two of my mushrooms and was tripping balls. My mom thought he had gone crazy and wanted to send his ass to the vet but i was like nah its cool. After I realized that he was trippin i was like shit im gonna eat some shrooms too and we can trip together. The rest of the night consisted of me having several intellegent conversation with my dog. Also one time the muthafucker ate almost my whole ounce of krippy!! I had like 4 grams left with dog slobber all over it and i couldnt make my money back so i just rolled up a fattie and vegged out the rest of the night....I like skinny girls but i'll never turn down a fatty
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.
-Erik Davis
-------------------- "What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks
lol people are always anal about it but seriously who hasn't done this at one point or another? i've never done it to my dog, per'se, but i give a better shotgun than my friend and he pretty much made me give a pretty good shotgun to his dog
Don't give your dog drugs. It doesn't know what drugs are. Dosing your pets is no different than dosing your toddler.
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ok so unintentionally my cat ate a tab a month ago. since then hes changed a lot. like he suddenly became smarter or something. with the little weird things he does. like sitting this lion toy up, and turning the light switch off, hes been acting really strange
Quote: zSDMF said: lol people are always anal about it but seriously who hasn't done this at one point or another? i've never done it to my dog, per'se, but i give a better shotgun than my friend and he pretty much made me give a pretty good shotgun to his dog
I never have.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
If you seriously think that an animal has the ability to understand the warping of reality that occurs during drug use, and somehow thinks it's a good thing, you are all of the above.
If you did it on purpose, you should be ashamed and embarrassed.
If it happened accidentally, you should just be embarrassed.
Jesus Christ.
-------------------- "All things are subject to the law of cause and effect. This great principle knows no exception." ~ Carl Menger
“If I were to vote for the "lesser of two evils" I would in fact be subscribing to whatever that "evil" does in office.” ~ Frank Chodorov
Quote: FoURtWeNTy420 said: Does anyone here get your dog stoned as fuck? Or get ur pet on any drug at all? I remember one time my dog got a hold of one or two of my mushrooms and was tripping balls. My mom thought he had gone crazy and wanted to send his ass to the vet but i was like nah its cool. After I realized that he was trippin i was like shit im gonna eat some shrooms too and we can trip together. The rest of the night consisted of me having several intellegent conversation with my dog. Also one time the muthafucker ate almost my whole ounce of krippy!! I had like 4 grams left with dog slobber all over it and i couldnt make my money back so i just rolled up a fattie and vegged out the rest of the night....I like skinny girls but i'll never turn down a fatty
Quote: coAsTal said: Anyone who purposely drugs an animal is:
An absolute asshole
An abusive pet owner
An ignorant prick
An immature dumb fuck
If you seriously think that an animal has the ability to understand the warping of reality that occurs during drug use, and somehow thinks it's a good thing, you are all of the above.
If you did it on purpose, you should be ashamed and embarrassed.
If it happened accidentally, you should just be embarrassed.
listen, you can be as pissed off as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that some animals LIKE to get high.
My friend's dad had a dog for 12 years. For that dog's whole life it had been around pot (his dad had a 10 plant grow, and smoked like a QP an hour). Now that dog is at school with us, and when we spark up a J, it gets SO excited it can't sit down, and will literally jump on the couch and lick your face after a hit to make sure you have to blow it in it's face.
Congratulations on thinking you're better than everyone, but sometimes there's more than one answer.
Edit: however, I agree with you for harder psychedelics. Shrooms and LSD should never be fed to an animal
Animals and Psychedelics: The Natural World and the Instinct to Alter Consciousness Giorgio Samorini Park Street Press, 2002 pb, 97pp, ind, bib, $12.95 ISBN 0 892819863
It’s not natural” is a refrain we hear time and again from the more conservative elements of our society, often as a protest against homosexuality, but also as an admonition on the joys of intoxication.
Bruce Bagemihl’s groundbreaking Biological Exhuberance – which details homosexual and autosexual behaviour in hundreds of species of animals – comprehensively demolishes the first argument, and is heavy enough to be useful in battering the message home if needs be. Samorini’s slender tome may not be much use in a fight, but in the right hands the information it contains has the potential to spark a revolution.
The bottom line: animals like to get high – hundreds of animal species, from the ant to the elephant, actively seek out hallucinogenic plants. Samorini is careful to distinguish between accidental intoxication – nature’s equivalent of being spiked – and the deliberate, methodical, at times even aggressive search for psychedelic satisfaction. This somewhat startling fact raises vital questions, not least that of animal consciousness.
If even an ant can tell the difference between being straight and high, in this instance by sucking secretions from the abdomen of a lomechusa beetle, what does this tell us about the consciousness of something like a mandrill, which munches the intensely potent iboga root, then waits up to two hours for the effects to kick in before engaging in territorial battle with another mandrill? Equally fascinating is the fact that many animals appear to use psychedelics recreationally – and that not all individuals of a particular species will indulge, just as some humans are more partial to tripping out than others. One in the eye for the stark behaviourists, it would seem.
All of Samorini’s evidence comes from first-hand observation by himself and others, though it is of the “we gave an elephant 300 tabs of LSD, it keeled over and died” school of science. But he does take great delight in describing the orderly queues formed by his neighbourhood cats as they take hits on his catnip plant; or of being butted out of the way by an Alpine goat who thought he was going to munch a clump of tasty psilocybin mushrooms before it did.
Too careful to speculate at any length on why animals take drugs, here Samorini concedes to Ronald K Siegel (from whose Intoxication much of the observational material is also drawn) and Edward de Bono. Siegel suggests that intoxication is an evolutionary force, while de Bono talks of the value of depatterning in evolutionary development – forcing the mind to break with established routines and habits, and so discover new approaches to important matters of survival.
Unquestionably, certain psychedelic plants also improve perception and sharpen the senses, giving the psychedelicised predator, or prey, a distinct evolutionary advantage. But if Samorini won’t speculate, we certainly can. If animals use psychedelic drugs, and we know that Stone Age humans did, and presumably their ancestors, might we not wonder – in Terence McKenna mode – what kind of role they played in the evolution of human consciousness?
Unfortunately this is a short book, an overview rather than an in-depth study, but that necessary work will surely come. Until then, this must be one of the most inspiring books about animals – or drugs – that you are likely to read.
This thread is awesome. I remember my cousins dog would get drunk off of spilt drinks when we had parties. He got so drunk one night he was trying to do backflips and he would just land on his back so we had to calm him down. I think people were feeding him drinks though, he threw up and everything, but he was fine. I also know people that would toke with their dogs and blow it in their ears. I don't know how true it is but they say it gets them high.
I don't have animals, but if I did I would have a dog and I don't think he would mind getting high. I'm an animal lover, but I see now harm in blowing smoke in a dogs face, as long as it isn't a puppy. Think about it, the government tests all kinds of drugs on animals. I highly doubt weed has a negative effect on dogs.
Quote: coAsTal said: Anyone who purposely drugs an animal is:
An absolute asshole
An abusive pet owner
An ignorant prick
An immature dumb fuck
If you seriously think that an animal has the ability to understand the warping of reality that occurs during drug use, and somehow thinks it's a good thing, you are all of the above.
If you did it on purpose, you should be ashamed and embarrassed.
If it happened accidentally, you should just be embarrassed.
Jesus Christ.
I think you should stand back and reevaluate your position. I doubt you fucking know more about animals' relations to drugs than other pet owners on this forum so don't sit there and degrade people just because they don't conform to your views. Get off your high horse, pun intended.
Quote: kaniz said: Animals and Psychedelics: The Natural World and the Instinct to Alter Consciousness Giorgio Samorini Park Street Press, 2002 pb, 97pp, ind, bib, $12.95 ISBN 0 892819863
It’s not natural” is a refrain we hear time and again from the more conservative elements of our society, often as a protest against homosexuality, but also as an admonition on the joys of intoxication.
Bruce Bagemihl’s groundbreaking Biological Exhuberance – which details homosexual and autosexual behaviour in hundreds of species of animals – comprehensively demolishes the first argument, and is heavy enough to be useful in battering the message home if needs be. Samorini’s slender tome may not be much use in a fight, but in the right hands the information it contains has the potential to spark a revolution.
The bottom line: animals like to get high – hundreds of animal species, from the ant to the elephant, actively seek out hallucinogenic plants. Samorini is careful to distinguish between accidental intoxication – nature’s equivalent of being spiked – and the deliberate, methodical, at times even aggressive search for psychedelic satisfaction. This somewhat startling fact raises vital questions, not least that of animal consciousness.
If even an ant can tell the difference between being straight and high, in this instance by sucking secretions from the abdomen of a lomechusa beetle, what does this tell us about the consciousness of something like a mandrill, which munches the intensely potent iboga root, then waits up to two hours for the effects to kick in before engaging in territorial battle with another mandrill? Equally fascinating is the fact that many animals appear to use psychedelics recreationally – and that not all individuals of a particular species will indulge, just as some humans are more partial to tripping out than others. One in the eye for the stark behaviourists, it would seem.
All of Samorini’s evidence comes from first-hand observation by himself and others, though it is of the “we gave an elephant 300 tabs of LSD, it keeled over and died” school of science. But he does take great delight in describing the orderly queues formed by his neighbourhood cats as they take hits on his catnip plant; or of being butted out of the way by an Alpine goat who thought he was going to munch a clump of tasty psilocybin mushrooms before it did.
Too careful to speculate at any length on why animals take drugs, here Samorini concedes to Ronald K Siegel (from whose Intoxication much of the observational material is also drawn) and Edward de Bono. Siegel suggests that intoxication is an evolutionary force, while de Bono talks of the value of depatterning in evolutionary development – forcing the mind to break with established routines and habits, and so discover new approaches to important matters of survival.
Unquestionably, certain psychedelic plants also improve perception and sharpen the senses, giving the psychedelicised predator, or prey, a distinct evolutionary advantage. But if Samorini won’t speculate, we certainly can. If animals use psychedelic drugs, and we know that Stone Age humans did, and presumably their ancestors, might we not wonder – in Terence McKenna mode – what kind of role they played in the evolution of human consciousness?
Unfortunately this is a short book, an overview rather than an in-depth study, but that necessary work will surely come. Until then, this must be one of the most inspiring books about animals – or drugs – that you are likely to read.
.... kinda curious to give that book a read
Interesting. thanks for posting that, kaniz.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.
-Erik Davis
While I'm not really all hardcore don't give animals drugs as some are, what you are talking about just sounds sad to me. And fucked up. It's awesome that a dog got drunk to the point of possibly injuring himself and throwing up? That's terrible.
I also have to say I doubt blowing a hit of weed in a dogs face is going to get it high, so I kind of doubt those of you who say "My dog loves to toke, whenever we smoke he won't leave us alone until we blow a hit of smoke in his face and he gets high" are right. Maybe he won't leave you alone, but I just don't think he's getting high.
And finally, let's not forget cats love catnip, and it sure fucks them up. So it's not like it's tragically wrong to blow some smoke in your pets face because they don't understand what drugs do.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
When humans inhale pot smoke THC is absorbed into the lungs. Then when you exhale, there isn't really very much THC left in the smoke. Then you blow the smoke with very little THC into the dogs face, and then think about it. When was the last time you saw a dog inhale all of the smoke you just exhaled? I sure never have. So yeah, the THC intake is extremely minimal.
If you got a dog to toke on it's own joint, then that's a different story.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
The issue of whether animals "like drugs" is obviously dependent upon the drug.
While I'm sure there is evidence of animals eating mushrooms it most likely is extremely rare and does not happen again (after the initial exposure).
There is not a single report of any type of laboratory animal self-administering hallucinogens. While it can be done, it is very difficult to get animals to self-administer THC. This is a strong argument that animals do not like the effects of these drugs.
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.
Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.
...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.
Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
Well, it seems those who say their pets won't leave them alone until they get a taste would have evidence against that. But as I said I doubt those animals are actually getting high anyway, so it really doesn't matter. I personally think owners who go around "Yo, my dog is mad cool and whenever we smoke I have to get it high" are foolish, and it gives me the first impression that they are bad pet owners.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
Okay first off for all you people that think animals dont like to get high from psychedilics, they do. The giant toad Bufo secretes hallucinogenic properties from its skin (much like DMT) and moose and deers lick this toad to get the effects. Not eat, lick they do it purposely and it was proved that they prefer these toads more than other non hallucinogenic toads. In Asian forests reindeer eat amanita muscaria. And cats eat hallucinogenic plants i forgot which plants they are but it makes them sniff excessivly, shake there heads, lick, roll around and purr alot <~~~saw tht one on Most Extreme.
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I support drug testing, which drug should i test today?
People in this thread also need to learn how to use the quick reply feature.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
Quote: FoURtWeNTy420 said: Okay first off for all you people that think animals dont like to get high from psychedilics, they do. The giant toad Bufo secretes hallucinogenic properties from its skin (much like DMT) and moose and deers lick this toad to get the effects. Not eat, lick they do it purposely and it was proved that they prefer these toads more than other non hallucinogenic toads. In Asian forests reindeer eat amanita muscaria. And cats eat hallucinogenic plants i forgot which plants they are but it makes them sniff excessivly, shake there heads, lick, roll around and purr alot <~~~saw tht one on Most Extreme.
That's very interesting. I'll see if I can find a source for that and load it up for the next time this thread comes up.
Quote: jewunit said: I personally think owners who go around "Yo, my dog is mad cool and whenever we smoke I have to get it high" are foolish, and it gives me the first impression that they are bad pet owners.
For all those ppl saying that wen u exhale ur weed smoke theres little or no THC in it, thats true but i kno ppl who give shotties to there dog and they absolutely love it also my friend would start pulling a GB and his dog would start barking and getting all excited and the dog would put his nose right over the GB and wait for his owner to push now on the GB so all the smoke goes in his nose.....that will get a dog high. Also, with the whole exhaling smoke is THC-less i guess foggin out a car would be kinda pointless cause it would just be smoke and the only THC would be from the smoke released from the blunt/bowl/joint.
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I support drug testing, which drug should i test today?
I stand by my position-- I think it's abusive to feed a domesticated animal psychedelics on purpose. I don't regard blowing pot smoke at a dog/cat as an issue, for the reason stated above-- it isn't going to get them high with that little concentration. I'm not a damned conservative either.
You folks can force drugs on your pets all you like, and dig up articles on Moose and mountain goats till you puke to justify your behavior or make yourself feel better, and it still won't change the fact that your best furry friend puking its guts out, running into walls, and being generally terrified is not OK.
Your argument is exactly like the person who refuses to wear a seatbelt "cause I read once where a guy lived because he wasn't wearing a seatbelt"-- never damned mind the 30,000 lives saved by seatbelt use alone in the same period of time.
I apologise if I have offended anyone specifically-- but I will never think it's OK to get an animal fucked up in a general sense.
It's not from a high horse that I carry this belief, it's from a respect for an animal that doesn't have the capability to decide for itself like you and I do-- and to assume otherwise is, like another said above, to assume a 6 year old kid can choose to have sex or shoot up heroin.
Our consciousness lets us decide to experiment with ourselves--our conscience should show us that we don't have the right to force that experience on any other being in this world OTHER than ourselves.
Think about ALL sides of this equation before you assume your side is right, and ask yourself if you have the right to flip the coin and decide that your animal won't have a horrible experience.
-------------------- "All things are subject to the law of cause and effect. This great principle knows no exception." ~ Carl Menger
“If I were to vote for the "lesser of two evils" I would in fact be subscribing to whatever that "evil" does in office.” ~ Frank Chodorov
i get my dog high everytime i smoke she comes up to me when i have weed she has also eating plenty of packs of cigs and multiple bags of weed my dog is fine so all you people that are saying its bad just try it and youll find out the truth
I give my cat beer, not very much, probably less than a 1/4 of a cup. He loves it! He's always all over my beer so I poured him a little in his kitty dish and he drank it all in a matter of minutes. I never give him alot b/c I'm afraid he's gonna get too fucked up and since he can't speak english he can't tell me if he's sick or feeling like shit or what... not a good idea.
About a year ago, one of my two rats started chasing and sniffing the smoke from bong hits as it drifted by her cage. I called her over and blew a bit right in front of her, she stuck her head in a couple times, sneezed, and then started sniffing towards the bong I was holding. So I blew a nice fatty right at her, she hunched down, squinted her eyes and took it like a champ, licking her chops afterwards. I was impressed, honestly, that's pretty hardcore for a rodent. My other rat came over to see what was going on, but quickly decided she doesn't like ganja.
The stoner rat will take a couple shotgun hits, then wander off to her food bowl, and the other one is ever curious but doesn't hang around once she realizes what's going on. I've never forced it on them, when the one wants to smoke, she makes it obvious.
Quote: FoURtWeNTy420 said: Also, with the whole exhaling smoke is THC-less i guess foggin out a car would be kinda pointless cause it would just be smoke and the only THC would be from the smoke released from the blunt/bowl/joint.
Yup, pretty much. Baking out a car is pointless. I don't smoke anymore, haven't in well over a year. So I think my tolerance would be pretty low, like two or three hits of decent tree would get me high. But a lot of my friends still do a lot, and I ride around with them while they do, and I've been in my share of baked-out cars, and I have yet to get a contact. You might think you get higher when you hot box that shit, but it's placebo.
And I again say, if you give your dog that shotty, does he inhale it all? I bet he really doesn't inhale very much of it at all. Let me guess, your next counter point is going to be something along the lines of how dogs are much lighter and have smaller lungs so it takes less to get high. Well, think about it like this. How many hits does it actually take you to get high? Probably more than one. Your dog is getting a very small fraction of that one hit, so until I see something to back it up, I doubt these animals are really getting high. Maybe a slight buzz, maybe.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
another thing is i remember watching a program and it showed a laboratory experiement on monkeys choosing either cocaine or food and all of them choose cocaine and some eventually starved themselves.....now that is probably more addiction but the monkey wanted to get high. And badchad u have no idea what ur talking about when you say
Quote: There is not a single report of any type of laboratory animal self-administering hallucinogens.While I'm sure there is evidence of animals eating mushrooms it most likely is extremely rare and does not happen again (after the initial exposure).
thats completely falsebecaue there are reports that animals LIKE to get high and purposely do psychedilcs....you didnt read what KANIZ wrote very compelling evidence that almost completely goes against what u say
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I support drug testing, which drug should i test today?
i retract & change my opinion. the holy warriors of the right have once again used arguments that involve calling peolpe assholes and immature to convert me to the light.
never again will i stand for a dog that gets a little smoke blown in his face. thanks guys!
I assume you take drugs... The first time was by choice or accident, but you went back for more correct?
What if you had no idea how to talk or communicate with words, but you liked the drug and wanted some more?
You'd probably walk over to whoever is in charge of you (your master) and lick his face, purr, bark or whatever whenever you detect the drug's presence.
It seems to me that alot of these "abused" animals do the exact same.
I DO NOT agree with chasing down your dog and stuffing drugs in them... But almost ALL stories I hear people like you ranting about seem very positive, and include the animal "begging" for some.
Quote: RoosterCogburn said: I assume you take drugs... The first time was by choice or accident, but you went back for more correct?
What if you had no idea how to talk or communicate with words, but you liked the drug and wanted some more?
You'd probably walk over to whoever is in charge of you (your master) and lick his face, purr, bark or whatever whenever you detect the drug's presence.
It seems to me that alot of these "abused" animals do the exact same.
I DO NOT agree with chasing down your dog and stuffing drugs in them... But almost ALL stories I hear people like you ranting about seem very positive, and include the animal "begging" for some.
that's what i was about to say, but meh. it's not like dogs are fucking idiots. they communicate and, at least personally, when my dog doesn't like something i can tell without him doing a god damn thing.
Quote: skipowair540 said: i get my dog high everytime i smoke she comes up to me when i have weed she has also eating plenty of packs of cigs and multiple bags of weed my dog is fine so all you people that are saying its bad just try it and youll find out the truth
Yeah, and I'm sure your dog got a nicotine buzz or a weed high from eating that shit.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
Quote: RoosterCogburn said: I DO NOT agree with chasing down your dog and stuffing drugs in them... But almost ALL stories I hear people like you ranting about seem very positive, and include the animal "begging" for some.
You can look at the last few sentences of this peer-reviewed reference from pubmed where it states: "Numerous studies have shown that THC is unable to induce a self-administration behaviour in animals."
Within this review (p. 159) it discusses several studies. There are 10 studies looking at THC self-administratoin in rats and rhesus monkeys. None were able to train animals to dose themselves with THC. If you'd like me to list each and every one of these I will.
These 10 or so (as well as "regular books") showing that animals will not dose themselves with THC is in stark contrast to the claims of "Dude, my dog loves it". Believe what you will, I know what I'm in agreement with.
specifically, on page 134 where he states: "There are no literature reports of successful attempts to train animals to self-administer classical hallucinogens"
Again, if you really want me to dig up some more references I'm sure I can.
So, it appears that under controlled conditions, when animals have the ability to dose themselves with either THC or most "classical hallucinogens" they will NOT do it. I think this is good evidence that they don't like the effects.
Observing an animal eating or licking something in the wild ONCE, does not mean the animal will do it again. If anyone can provide me with evidence other than: "I once heard", or self-published book and/or website I will certainly offer my opinion on the matter.
And doesn't this make sense? In human studies, subjects usually experience anxiety and nervousness after consumption of psilocybin. This is after careful preparation and a knowledge of what to expect. How do you think an animal will react?
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.
Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.
...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.
Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
Quote: RoosterCogburn said: I assume you take drugs... The first time was by choice or accident, but you went back for more correct? What if you had no idea how to talk or communicate with words, but you liked the drug and wanted some more? You'd probably walk over to whoever is in charge of you (your master) and lick his face, purr, bark or whatever whenever you detect the drug's presence. It seems to me that alot of these "abused" animals do the exact same. I DO NOT agree with chasing down your dog and stuffing drugs in them... But almost ALL stories I hear people like you ranting about seem very positive, and include the animal "begging" for some.
RoosterCogburn, this is an example of projection. You are projecting human thoughts, feelings, inclinations, and psychology on animals.
If animals were human, then your argument would hold water. They aren't, therefor it doesn't. Animals brains are not anything near as developed as the human mind. Do they have intelligence? Yes. Emotions? Yes. Are they equal or similar to humans? No. They are animals.
You can hold me in low regard if it makes you feel better-- "people like me ranting about..." is a dismissive statement that makes clear you are delegitimizing my points to rationalize yours, or because of because of some hostility you feel towards my views.
I expect you, as a thinking, rational human to be responsible for your actions-- but you can't expect the same of animals. And I think it's misguided to try and shoe-horn human reasoning into the actions of an animal-- it speaks of a disconnect from the reality that an animal is not, and can not, act like a human, or have human desires-- we only read into their actions that way to help US relate to them.
-------------------- "All things are subject to the law of cause and effect. This great principle knows no exception." ~ Carl Menger
“If I were to vote for the "lesser of two evils" I would in fact be subscribing to whatever that "evil" does in office.” ~ Frank Chodorov
Quote: RoosterCogburn said: I assume you take drugs... The first time was by choice or accident, but you went back for more correct? What if you had no idea how to talk or communicate with words, but you liked the drug and wanted some more? You'd probably walk over to whoever is in charge of you (your master) and lick his face, purr, bark or whatever whenever you detect the drug's presence. It seems to me that alot of these "abused" animals do the exact same. I DO NOT agree with chasing down your dog and stuffing drugs in them... But almost ALL stories I hear people like you ranting about seem very positive, and include the animal "begging" for some.
RoosterCogburn, this is an example of projection. You are projecting human thoughts, feelings, inclinations, and psychology on animals.
If animals were human, then your argument would hold water. They aren't, therefor it doesn't. Animals brains are not anything near as developed as the human mind. Do they have intelligence? Yes. Emotions? Yes. Are they equal or similar to humans? No. They are animals.
You can hold me in low regard if it makes you feel better-- "people like me ranting about..." is a dismissive statement that makes clear you are delegitimizing my points to rationalize yours, or because of because of some hostility you feel towards my views.
I expect you, as a thinking, rational human to be responsible for your actions-- but you can't expect the same of animals. And I think it's misguided to try and shoe-horn human reasoning into the actions of an animal-- it speaks of a disconnect from the reality that an animal is not, and can not, act like a human, or have human desires-- we only read into their actions that way to help US relate to them.
oh you silly goose, i can detect my dogs emotions. i don't smoke him out because i choose not too, but if i did i would know if he liked it or not. that's the problem with YOUR argument imo, you clearly don't know animals. if you did, you'd know they aren't just living pieces of fur.. they're smart beings.
I have been a lifelong animal lover and owner-- and calling me names like a child has completely erased your credibility zSDMF.
Grow up and learn to argue like an adult, without arrogant personal insults.
I'm not playing into this flame-baiting any more. I've said what I think, regardless of your opinion-- you taking it personally is your problem, not mine. I've said what I can say about my perspective here-- that's cool enough for me.
Best--
-------------------- "All things are subject to the law of cause and effect. This great principle knows no exception." ~ Carl Menger
“If I were to vote for the "lesser of two evils" I would in fact be subscribing to whatever that "evil" does in office.” ~ Frank Chodorov
yeah you're right, joking on the internet erases all credibility i have. rest assured i really don't care. all i'm saying is you claim that an animal's argument isn't credible just because they aren't humans and that is some straight BULLSHIT.
i don't care how much credibility that statement requires, either. i'm not trying to beef you, and i sort of agree with you in a lot of places, but this particular part of this particular subject i disagree with.
Quote: coAsTal said: I have been a lifelong animal lover and owner-- and calling me names like a child has completely erased your credibility zSDMF.
Grow up and learn to argue like an adult, without arrogant personal insults.
I'm not playing into this flame-baiting any more. I've said what I think, regardless of your opinion-- you taking it personally is your problem, not mine. I've said what I can say about my perspective here-- that's cool enough for me.
Best--
Dude, he just called you a silly goose. I somehow doubt he was actually trying to shred your character.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
Of all the people in the world, I am the last to "project" any human thoughts into animals. I HATE people who think their dogs can talk or rationalize things like humans... you must have missed my point, or I wrote it wrong!
I am trying to say something very basic. Animals can decide what they like and what they don't, but they cannot VERBALLY ask for it. So, they do the next best thing, which is purr, bark, lick, fidget, whatever...
If they do not like something, they do not eat it. If they do like something, they come back for more. It's is only a human who would take drugs without really liking it due to peer pressure or something like that.
Animals are much, much more basic. And by "you ranting" I was not trying to insult you... I was simply lumping you into the same boat as the other 100 posters in the past that ignore all facts, and only see "an animal taking drugs" and then freak out. I apologize for any offense.
You can look at the last few sentences of this peer-reviewed reference from pubmed where it states: "Numerous studies have shown that THC is unable to induce a self-administration behaviour in animals."
Within this review (p. 159) it discusses several studies. There are 10 studies looking at THC self-administratoin in rats and rhesus monkeys. None were able to train animals to dose themselves with THC. If you'd like me to list each and every one of these I will.
These 10 or so (as well as "regular books") showing that animals will not dose themselves with THC is in stark contrast to the claims of "Dude, my dog loves it". Believe what you will, I know what I'm in agreement with.
specifically, on page 134 where he states: "There are no literature reports of successful attempts to train animals to self-administer classical hallucinogens"
Again, if you really want me to dig up some more references I'm sure I can.
So, it appears that under controlled conditions, when animals have the ability to dose themselves with either THC or most "classical hallucinogens" they will NOT do it. I think this is good evidence that they don't like the effects.
Observing an animal eating or licking something in the wild ONCE, does not mean the animal will do it again. If anyone can provide me with evidence other than: "I once heard", or self-published book and/or website I will certainly offer my opinion on the matter.
And doesn't this make sense? In human studies, subjects usually experience anxiety and nervousness after consumption of psilocybin. This is after careful preparation and a knowledge of what to expect. How do you think an animal will react?
They do exist! Usually people talk out their ass and reference non-existent reports or studies. The devil inside me keeps saying, "these are for lab rats and monkeys and don't represent the diets or behavior of the entire animal kingdom."
Quote: DRTMaverick said: I figure, until you can actually verbally communicate with an animal and get a Yes or No from them, you really can't dose them. It wouldn't be right.
YES and NO do not need to be verbal.
YES = The dog wags tail and accepts whatever you are doing. NO = The dog bites you.
Quote: coAsTal said: I have been a lifelong animal lover and owner-- and calling me names like a child has completely erased your credibility zSDMF.
Grow up and learn to argue like an adult, without arrogant personal insults.
I'm not playing into this flame-baiting any more. I've said what I think, regardless of your opinion-- you taking it personally is your problem, not mine. I've said what I can say about my perspective here-- that's cool enough for me.
Best--
Dude, he just called you a silly goose. I somehow doubt he was actually trying to shred your character.
Actually he called him something else - but flaming isn't allowed in the Pub.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.
-Erik Davis
Quote: badchad said: And doesn't this make sense? In human studies, subjects usually experience anxiety and nervousness after consumption of psilocybin. This is after careful preparation and a knowledge of what to expect. How do you think an animal will react?
Some would probably argue that people experience anxiety because they are briefed on what will happen. "Your perceptions of reality are going to change, you're going to experience ego death, you will feel different physically" etc. Wouldn't you get anxious? I'm not saying animals do or do not get anxious if they come in contact with psilocybin, because clearly I cannot know. But it is possible that they do not because they don't know what's going to happen until it does. So they eat the mushrooms, then they come up, and peak. They might not be comfortable, but it seems like anxiety would be a result of knowing what's going to happen, and that once consumed there's really no going back.
I also don't think animals would experience ego death, but I don't think that advocates giving them mushrooms or LSD. There are definitely various other effects that would not be good.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
from first hand experience with many domesticated animals...
One of my dogs first ate some cubes one day while i was away (my mistake, left some stuff out) luckily it was only a small pile of wet aborts and tiny shrooms. After that, the dog started coming near everytime i pick some (i know some of you hate the idea of dog near your grow, i guess its a good thing its mine) If my dog does not understand this experience i'll be damned because he begs everytime i pick... i do not give into this for obvious reasons, but it cued me to the fact that he likes them, so one day while weighing out doses i set .7 g dry on the floor he ate it(second time he tried cubes, first time it was witnessed), and he most certainly was tripping, maybe not hallucinating but i figure 1-2 g was good for a lvl 1 when i first started and he weighs half as much as me, so .7 shouldn't be anything too crazy... he was happy wagging his tail (more so than usual), played in the woods with us for hours... since then he begs everytime i weigh out dried doses as well (or empty the dehydrator)... i don't always give in but he wants it i'm not gonna deny him the ability to once in a while, while he may not understand the concept of using them in moderation as i do, he most certainly understands what he does and doesn't like and its obvious how he fells about things...
My dog has experienced mushrooms about 11 times now and has never been directly given, encouraged, or forced to take them always were just set on the floor for him to find and as soon as he's let in, he smells it out and eats it...
another one of our dogs on the other hand, hates em, he ate a piece of one and spat it out and doesn't go near them. I don't offer it to our other two as they are old and can hardly even walk as it is) I think its more up to the dog and less a matter of an abusive owner. My dog wags his tail when he eats mushrooms, catches a squirrel and is called good boy. he tucks his tail and lowers his head when offered strawberries, apples (most dogs like apples) or when called a bad boy... he's very obvious and its no mistake to me that he knows what happens and likes the experience i have yet to see him run into a wall or puke on mushrooms (i have seen him do both without any drugs...) although i have seen him start walking then forget how to for a second while tripping..
hate me for it i really don't care, I'm not gonna deny my dog something that we both have an affinity for. he has the choice at anytime not to eat them and i have never allowed him to eat more than 1.5 dry grams...
as far as pot i have yet to have a dog that doesn't come running the second i spark up, only one has ever turned away when smoke is blown in his face, the other three don't even do that they stick their faces straight in people exhale clouds.... while yea obviously they don't get much that way, children don't inhale all of their parents second hand yet they get lung cancer while the smoking parent doesn't... it happens all the time... so your ridiculous explaination of why it does nothing is exactly that ridiculous.. one of my dogs (same one that likes mushrooms) will even puff on a joint i've posted the video here before, i forgot wheres its hosted probably google or something... he does it on his own its not shoved in his face its put in front of him and he reaches to it with his mouth and hits it (literally inhales and exhales, doesn't hold lol). even the cats come running when we spark up, the old one that died last year at 19 yrs old (old fucking cat) used to get up when we smoked and only then because being around it clearly made her able to relax more amidst the pain. Our two older dogs love it too one was hit by a car 7 yrs ago and has horrible hips but walks 10 x better when stoned because it clearly doesn't hurt nearly as much... while yea they dont get a lot they are smaller they dont need a lot and i smoke enough for them to get 'enough'....
even the cockateil sings more when we smoke... and the horses while i dont think it really affects them they certainly appreciate how relaxed it makes their riders....
I am a firm believer that just like we humans have some people who like drugs and some don't, animals are the same way some will partake in the experience others will abstain from it...
i dont condone giving your pets drugs in fact for the most part i'm against it, but if the animal discovers it on their own and clearly shows a desire for it i will not stop them from joining in, but will never force it upon them.. animals are my friends as much as my human friends are and i give the humans mushrooms often because they like them so why not give my dog the same option if he likes them...
just seems awfully stupid when pet owners just assume their furry little friend cant think for itself its an insult to your pet and you should sit down pet your friend and apologize for neglecting the fact that it has feelings and desires...
(as i wrote this i smoked and was eventually surrounded with 6 animals, who weren't even in the room when i lit it...)
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lyrics from: Transglobal Underground - Eyeway Souljah (from Psychic Karaoke)
First you post this - in which you call people ignorant pricks and dumb fucks:
Quote: coAsTal said: Anyone who purposely drugs an animal is:
An absolute asshole
An abusive pet owner
An ignorant prick
An immature dumb fuck
If you seriously think that an animal has the ability to understand the warping of reality that occurs during drug use, and somehow thinks it's a good thing, you are all of the above.
If you did it on purpose, you should be ashamed and embarrassed.
If it happened accidentally, you should just be embarrassed.
Jesus Christ.
Then, you post this, saying how blowing weed smoke in a pets face is OK because it doesnt get them high (even though shotguns ect. do get animals high, just like us [we are, in fact, animals])
Quote: coAsTal said: I stand by my position-- I think it's abusive to feed a domesticated animal psychedelics on purpose. I don't regard blowing pot smoke at a dog/cat as an issue, for the reason stated above-- it isn't going to get them high with that little concentration. I'm not a damned conservative either
And then you get sad/mad when people called you names, even though in your first post i quoted you called people dumbfucks and ignorant pricks. (I ESPECIALLY like the part where you tell him to grow up and argue like an adult, without the "arrogant personal insults")
Quote: coAsTal said: I have been a lifelong animal lover and owner-- and calling me names like a child has completely erased your credibility zSDMF.
Grow up and learn to argue like an adult, without arrogant personal insults.
I'm not playing into this flame-baiting any more. I've said what I think, regardless of your opinion-- you taking it personally is your problem, not mine. I've said what I can say about my perspective here-- that's cool enough for me.
Best--
I dunno - i'm just not following your thougth process correctly i presume?
Quote: RoosterCogburn said: I assume you take drugs... The first time was by choice or accident, but you went back for more correct? What if you had no idea how to talk or communicate with words, but you liked the drug and wanted some more? You'd probably walk over to whoever is in charge of you (your master) and lick his face, purr, bark or whatever whenever you detect the drug's presence. It seems to me that alot of these "abused" animals do the exact same. I DO NOT agree with chasing down your dog and stuffing drugs in them... But almost ALL stories I hear people like you ranting about seem very positive, and include the animal "begging" for some.
RoosterCogburn, this is an example of projection. You are projecting human thoughts, feelings, inclinations, and psychology on animals.
If animals were human, then your argument would hold water. They aren't, therefor it doesn't. Animals brains are not anything near as developed as the human mind. Do they have intelligence? Yes. Emotions? Yes. Are they equal or similar to humans? No. They are animals.
You can hold me in low regard if it makes you feel better-- "people like me ranting about..." is a dismissive statement that makes clear you are delegitimizing my points to rationalize yours, or because of because of some hostility you feel towards my views.
I expect you, as a thinking, rational human to be responsible for your actions-- but you can't expect the same of animals. And I think it's misguided to try and shoe-horn human reasoning into the actions of an animal-- it speaks of a disconnect from the reality that an animal is not, and can not, act like a human, or have human desires-- we only read into their actions that way to help US relate to them.
How do you KNOW they can't have at least a smidge of analytical thought? you can't, your speculation is as good as anyones.
Ganymede, there are a couple things to take into consideration. While you may know your dogs weight, we can't be sure of how cubes effect dogs, or any animal really, so a .7 may, in fact, send him into hyperspace, or not even give him more than a buzz. Cubes could have different effects due to varied brain chemistry and other physiological differences between humans and dogs. There's also the idea that dogs, or other animals, will eat things that aren't good for them. For example, chocolate. We know giving chocolate to a dog is a bad idea, but they would go ahead and eat it anyway. Animals do seem to do dumb things, or at least we conceive them as dumb, like this, just because they are feeding their desires and appetites, and not taking into consideration the consequences. Maybe your dog just really really enjoys the taste of cubes.
To Meams: Yes, shotguns get humans high, and yes humans are animals. But again I will say that if you give a shotty to a dog, the dog isn't even going to come close to inhaling nearly as much as people do. If you do it, just look next time and see how much smoke just goes around his face and such.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
Quote: jewunit said: To Meams: Yes, shotguns get humans high, and yes humans are animals. But again I will say that if you give a shotty to a dog, the dog isn't even going to come close to inhaling nearly as much as people do. If you do it, just look next time and see how much smoke just goes around his face and such.
I don't know what the ratio is, but the few times I've seen it done it doesn't seem very equal at all. But of course, it may or may not be enough to get them high. Who ever really knows if their dog is stoned.
I can't wait to read all the "I gave my dog a shotty then he went straight to his food dish" responses.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
I think it's easier to tell when a cat is stoned than a dog is. I've seen my buddies cat after just coming out of a pillowcase that many hits were blown into, and nobody... NOBODY could say that cat wasn't stoned and enjoying himself. He walks to the corner of the room, rolls onto his back with all his paws in the air and purrs like a madman for a few minutes until he starts chasing around something nobody can see.
I hate cats but that shit was funny.
-------------------- LNC's official Alaskan stoner
Quote: jewunit said: To Meams: Yes, shotguns get humans high, and yes humans are animals. But again I will say that if you give a shotty to a dog, the dog isn't even going to come close to inhaling nearly as much as people do. If you do it, just look next time and see how much smoke just goes around his face and such.
Dog:Human weight ratio
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Human Inhale: Dog Inhale ratio?
I always just hold the dogs nose shut so he gets a full hit. You know, pot aint cheap.
Quote: Ganymede said: from first hand experience with many domesticated animals...
One of my dogs first ate some cubes one day while i was away (my mistake, left some stuff out) luckily it was only a small pile of wet aborts and tiny shrooms. After that, the dog started coming near everytime i pick some (i know some of you hate the idea of dog near your grow, i guess its a good thing its mine) If my dog does not understand this experience i'll be damned because he begs everytime i pick... i do not give into this for obvious reasons, but it cued me to the fact that he likes them, so one day while weighing out doses i set .7 g dry on the floor he ate it(second time he tried cubes, first time it was witnessed), and he most certainly was tripping, maybe not hallucinating but i figure 1-2 g was good for a lvl 1 when i first started and he weighs half as much as me, so .7 shouldn't be anything too crazy... he was happy wagging his tail (more so than usual), played in the woods with us for hours... since then he begs everytime i weigh out dried doses as well (or empty the dehydrator)... i don't always give in but he wants it i'm not gonna deny him the ability to once in a while, while he may not understand the concept of using them in moderation as i do, he most certainly understands what he does and doesn't like and its obvious how he fells about things...
My dog has experienced mushrooms about 11 times now and has never been directly given, encouraged, or forced to take them always were just set on the floor for him to find and as soon as he's let in, he smells it out and eats it...
another one of our dogs on the other hand, hates em, he ate a piece of one and spat it out and doesn't go near them. I don't offer it to our other two as they are old and can hardly even walk as it is) I think its more up to the dog and less a matter of an abusive owner. My dog wags his tail when he eats mushrooms, catches a squirrel and is called good boy. he tucks his tail and lowers his head when offered strawberries, apples (most dogs like apples) or when called a bad boy... he's very obvious and its no mistake to me that he knows what happens and likes the experience i have yet to see him run into a wall or puke on mushrooms (i have seen him do both without any drugs...) although i have seen him start walking then forget how to for a second while tripping..
hate me for it i really don't care, I'm not gonna deny my dog something that we both have an affinity for. he has the choice at anytime not to eat them and i have never allowed him to eat more than 1.5 dry grams...
as far as pot i have yet to have a dog that doesn't come running the second i spark up, only one has ever turned away when smoke is blown in his face, the other three don't even do that they stick their faces straight in people exhale clouds.... while yea obviously they don't get much that way, children don't inhale all of their parents second hand yet they get lung cancer while the smoking parent doesn't... it happens all the time... so your ridiculous explaination of why it does nothing is exactly that ridiculous.. one of my dogs (same one that likes mushrooms) will even puff on a joint i've posted the video here before, i forgot wheres its hosted probably google or something... he does it on his own its not shoved in his face its put in front of him and he reaches to it with his mouth and hits it (literally inhales and exhales, doesn't hold lol). even the cats come running when we spark up, the old one that died last year at 19 yrs old (old fucking cat) used to get up when we smoked and only then because being around it clearly made her able to relax more amidst the pain. Our two older dogs love it too one was hit by a car 7 yrs ago and has horrible hips but walks 10 x better when stoned because it clearly doesn't hurt nearly as much... while yea they dont get a lot they are smaller they dont need a lot and i smoke enough for them to get 'enough'....
even the cockateil sings more when we smoke... and the horses while i dont think it really affects them they certainly appreciate how relaxed it makes their riders....
I am a firm believer that just like we humans have some people who like drugs and some don't, animals are the same way some will partake in the experience others will abstain from it...
i dont condone giving your pets drugs in fact for the most part i'm against it, but if the animal discovers it on their own and clearly shows a desire for it i will not stop them from joining in, but will never force it upon them.. animals are my friends as much as my human friends are and i give the humans mushrooms often because they like them so why not give my dog the same option if he likes them...
just seems awfully stupid when pet owners just assume their furry little friend cant think for itself its an insult to your pet and you should sit down pet your friend and apologize for neglecting the fact that it has feelings and desires...
(as i wrote this i smoked and was eventually surrounded with 6 animals, who weren't even in the room when i lit it...)
thanks dude no one better bash this guy. I give him all the credit a terreifically written piece and he wrote it after reading all the negativity towards ppl who dose there dogs.....i say fuck em all this thread is for ppl'ss story about there pets being high not ppl kissing ass to the politically correct treatment to ur pets....and if u dont like wut i just said fuck u too. Ganymede....props
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I support drug testing, which drug should i test today?
My friends dog loves weed, that fucker will eat your stash too.
IMO i dont really think getting animals high off natural drugs, specifically mushrooms is anything to get all anal about. I mean think about it, back in the day when all animals were wild, including dogs and cats, they would roam around looking for food and eating almost anythinng they could find, and yes that includes all the kinds of mushrooms.
Once i looked at my dogs pupils and noticed they were very large...i just smiled and made myslef believe he was one of us.
Quote: jewunit said:so a .7 may, in fact, send him into hyperspace
dude no offense buti think ganymede observes his dog and can tell how the dose is affecting him to a certain degree....Gany would be able to tell if his dog was trippin BALLS or just kinda trippin. Plus u say chocolate is bad for them and they eat it anyways. Well i doubt that the dog eats chocolate and afterward thinks man that chocolate must have done something bad to me.....but i bet that i dog will eat mushrooms and know that the mushrooms is exactly what is causing his altered perception of reality....plus he eats the chocolate cause of its taste...the shrooms cause of there affect.....
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I support drug testing, which drug should i test today?
Quote: jewunit said: Ganymede, there are a couple things to take into consideration. While you may know your dogs weight, we can't be sure of how cubes effect dogs, or any animal really, so a .7 may, in fact, send him into hyperspace, or not even give him more than a buzz. Cubes could have different effects due to varied brain chemistry and other physiological differences between humans and dogs. There's also the idea that dogs, or other animals, will eat things that aren't good for them. For example, chocolate. We know giving chocolate to a dog is a bad idea, but they would go ahead and eat it anyway. Animals do seem to do dumb things, or at least we conceive them as dumb, like this, just because they are feeding their desires and appetites, and not taking into consideration the consequences. Maybe your dog just really really enjoys the taste of cubes.
or maybe you just dont understand how to tell when your pet is having a good time... mine obviously enjoys the experience if he didnt he'd act different thats a fact not a theory. my dog is very clear about how he feels about something while yes his tail wags while eating them it also wags non stop for hours following indicating that it is mor ethan just flavor. His tail does not wag like that unless he enjoys his current circumstance, is having fun and doing something that makes him happy. yea dogs do stupid things so do people remember when the US voted bush into the white house... that was people doing something stupid(or someone rigging it all, still stupid).. or when ppl eat tons of fast food and become obese thats another stupid thing people do.... maybe far fetched examplesbut i see no reason to belive that cubes are bad for a dog physically, my dog has not once acted sick or uncomfortable with them yet has always acted a little funny while having the best time of his life. so don't tell me there is no knowing what it does to them i see what it does to him, he clearly gets an effect (acts more confused and playful, just like i am on a lvl 1) and he clearly enjoys it as i've explained...
maybe you should stop bashing the concept of drug using animals and give your dog a chance to decide.... i mean as you said we cant really know what a cube is going to do to a dog.... unless we find out, mine found out on his own and consistently comes back for more fresh or dried and acts more happy and excited each time (as if its really starting to add up to him that tasty little cube snack equals good time for puppy, he's not really a puppy either just what i call him) ..
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♫ ♪ In the garden of many fields, there is no me or you. There is no right or wrong. There is no up or down. There is no black or white. Everyone is the plow man. Everyone is the seed. Everyone harvests and everyone yields. In the garden of many fields, everyone is one with one love and one love is one with everyone. ♪ ♫
lyrics from: Transglobal Underground - Eyeway Souljah (from Psychic Karaoke)
Oh, and about the whole children getting lung cancer thing. Can you cite that this "happens all the time." Or have you considered the fact that the carcinogens still remain in the smoke, but THC doesn't remain in the smoke in nearly a high concentration?
Your argument doesn't seem to have any more validity than mine.
Quote: dude no offense buti think ganymede observes his dog and can tell how the dose is affecting him to a certain degree....Gany would be able to tell if his dog was trippin BALLS or just kinda trippin. Plus u say chocolate is bad for them and they eat it anyways. Well i doubt that the dog eats chocolate and afterward thinks man that chocolate must have done something bad to me.....but i bet that i dog will eat mushrooms and know that the mushrooms is exactly what is causing his altered perception of reality....plus he eats the chocolate cause of its taste...the shrooms cause of there affect.....
How do you know what a dog does when it trips balls? When I trip balls I just sit around and don't do much, and dogs often sit around and don't do much, tripping or not. Like I said, it may or may not be a huge dose, I don't think anyone can really know. I wasn't saying he shouldn't do it, I was saying he should take that into consideration.
And why should a dog not know that the chocolate made him feel awful but be well aware that the cubes made him trip? That just doesn't seem like a logical conclusion. And like I said, I don't know if animals always know the consequences of what they do, it is completely possible that he just really really likes the taste of cubes. What you are basically saying is that the dog isn't aware of the negative effects of the chocolate but is well aware of the cubie's (seemingly) positive ones. That doesn't seem to make much sense, maybe you can elaborate on what you were trying to say.
A huge difference between animals and humans is that humans can easily act after taking consequences into account and then deciding what to do, where as animals seem to act on instinct and to feed their appetites. (I don't just mean appetite as in hunger appetite.) So like I said, there may be ulterior motives to eating the cubes besides tripping. And like I've said many times, we can't truly know.
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He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
Quote: How do you know what a dog does when it trips balls?
Dude i dont know and neither do you but if anyone person would have a clue it would be Ganymede...and based off of his observation he isnt flying through hyperspace...
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I didn't mean you specifically, I meant any person in general. Yes Ganymede is the person best suited to tell, but even he cannot know for certain because the dog cannot communicate that.
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
Here are some good links regarding what can happen to a dog that ingests marijuana accidentally, or inhales it. It's dangerous for dog's health, as you can clearly see by reading these reports and studies.
Regardless of whether you "feed" your dog mushrooms or he gobbles them up off of the table himself, it's still your responsibility. Dogs are walking stomachs. My dogs will eat anything that I leave in their reach, whether it's food or not. Dogs trust their owners, and will likely eat anything that their owner offers them, thinking it's a treat.
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the difference between the actions of eating choclates or msuhrooms and the consequences of being sick and tripping....
my dog has more than likely ONLY had the tripping experience on cubes... my animals ONLY come around ALL AT THE SAME TIME when someone is smoking pot (not cigs)....
my dogs have gotten sick from many things, rotten food, chocolate, bad weather, a plethora of other manners....
you are very right that OFTEN times animals cannot associate action with consequence usually its because whatever causes said consequence either only happens once and is never repeated or many things cause it to happen, so the animal can not discern which of the many things is actually responsible if any of them but it just seems to happen... when he eats mushrooms it begins to kick in 30-45 minutes, happens consistently every time he eats them...it lasts 4-6 hrs consistently everytime he takes them... and has never happened without them...
just like everytime he didn't listen as a puppy and was reprimanded for doing something wrong he learned that doing certain thing would get him in trouble consistently.... and he wouldnt be in trouble if he didnt do them....
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I've seen plenty of dogs that will steal/knock over beer to drink it. Even my mom's little poodle will jump up on the table and start drinking beer if we don't watch it close enough. Strange.
Quote: niki420 said: you're obviously not much of an animal person if you think animals cannot communicate with people.
I'm sorry, I didn't fully articulate my point. Animals are not able to clearly communicate every thought that they have. I am an animal person, but at the same time I think that what a lot of pet owners take as communication and believe they understand what their pet is trying to communicate I think that they aren't always right. If my cat is scratching at the door, I'm pretty sure my cat wants to go out. I can only assume, at best, the reasons he wants to go out. I know plenty of pet owners say "Oh he wants to go out because he wants to go get that bird." How do you know? Sometimes they're right, and the cat goes right for the bird, but other times the cat just might want to go outside to lay in the sun. Catch my drift?
-------------------- Madtowntripper said: It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
you're absolutely right many, many people misunderstand their animals, many people are also fucking idiots.... seems hardly room for basis to believe that just because some idiots dont take the time to love and learn their pets mannerisms as well as teach them certain things to use as cues, that all all pet owners are this way. i for one have been surrounded with animals as long as i can remember and it is no mistake what my animals want when they want something...
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Animal cruelty. Five hundred minutes of utter animal cruelty.
Give me a fucking break. That cat could have been given anything, or any amount. I could post a scene from Reefer Madness and call it "People given Marijuana!"
-------------------- LNC's official Alaskan stoner
I keep posting this over and over and people still want to get their pets high.
Every now and then some jerk comes along and tells the tale of how his pet got into his magic shroom stash.
This is in regards to those who say this is true.
It is not. And while there is a book out on Animals and Psychedelics, household pets are not one to do so. Read and weep
Anyone who gives their pets drugs deserves to get their ass kicked.
That is the cruelest thing I can think of someone doing except turning on a child.
Over the years i have written about this problem. I want to once again post this data concerning two people. One who gave their dog acid and the other who spent several years at Damasch, Oregon (where they filmed, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest).
My wife and I met this dude name Bob here in Seattle in the mid 1970s.
Bob was a street person who sold acid for $3.00 a dose and $1.00 in quantity.
He owned a big black Afghan hound which he had brought here from Israel.
Bob loved to feed his dog acid.
One day, in his three story apartment on Capitol Hill, Bob fed his dog several hits of blotter acid.
It wasn't too long before the dog began to bark at the legs on the kitchen table.
This infuriated Bob so much he became paranoid that his dog would not stop barking and he too, high on acid, began to beat the shit out of his dog for the constant barking.
Eventually, Bob picked his dog up, and threw him by the neck, out of his three-story-high window.
Bob's dog hit the pavement like a tomato and splattered the street, and then was smacked by a couple of passing cars.
Bob went to Jail for three years.
Now lets talk about a more serious case study.
The war vet, the acid and the Portland Zoo Lions.
In the mid 1970s, I lived in Portland and Eugene, on an off that is. My wife and I traveled a lot between Eureka-Arcada and Seattle and even up north to B.C.
Now I am talking about my first wife.
Every day, My wife and I would take our daughter Jennifer to Laurelhurst park in SE Portland. They ahd a duck pond and nice bike trails and it was a nice place to bring ones children to play and run.
Every day we would go to the park for several hours.
At this park we had managed, over a few years time to make several friends with other park locals who smoked out or drank a beer or two.
I even streaked through that park in the nude on a bicycle one time.
However, not to deter and wander from the written path, I must continue with my tale of woe. Every day we would see in this park, a man with three dogs and waring war fatigues from Nam.
The reason we became aware of this person who drank two to three quarts of beer a day was because he had three beautiful dogs. And my daughter loved to play with his dogs. While I personally cannot recall his full name, His dogs names were unforgettable, "Penelope, Gertrude and Agnes."
How common are those names for dogs.
Anyway, my wife, daughter and, soon I became acquaintances of this man.
NOW, I began to ask him about his situation.
As it turned out, I had read about this person in the Portland newspapers.
Here is his story.
One night, this person and a friend decided to do a bunch of acid.
They then went to OMSI and broke into the Portland zoo.
Well there they were tripping and having a splendid time when he and his friend then decided to go home and get some stakes and lace them with acid and feed them tot he lions.
Oh was this a grand idea. Too watch the lions trippin' while on acid with them,
So they threw this laced LSD in with the meat into the lion's den.
The lions roared their mighty roars. They growled their mighty growls and gnarled their mighty gnarly teeth.
Then, without any thought about it, his friend leaned over and then fell into the lions den.
Without much ado, the lions ate him and mangled him with their mighty teeth and jaws.
So again my friend went home. Got his shotgun, and came back to the Portland zoo and killed all of the lions who had just had a last meal of his friend.
That was what I had read in the paper several years before. Man Feeds Lions LSD, shoots them., Gets sentenced to the State Mental Institute for the Criminally Deranged and/or Insane at Damasch.
And that is where my story came from ... Seeing this man every day in the park, drinking forever to forget his sorrow at the loss of a friend.
However, not at the loss of the lions he fed the acid to.
Now. I have noticed over the years, many people who say their pets ate their mushrooms. Well 99% of those tales are false.
Most animals will never eat mushrooms unless they are mixed into other foods so as to disguise their taste and/or flavor.
Their smell and taste in a fresh or dried stage does not attract the attention of those animals.
While it is true that squirrels, slugs, snails, deer and some other domesticated four-legged-ruminants do eat shrooms, house pets do not.
I have also, over the years, seen many people blow pot smoke into a cats face.
Give it up. Give them catnip and not other drugs. They were not there for the animal pets on ones home.
This is cruel and i personally do not like anyone who does this to their pets.
Enough said. There is more to that story but this is enough for now. It makes me very upset to see people do this and it just gives law enforcement people another reason to never want to legalize drugs or at least remove criminal penalties for possession,.
So a guy, on acid, threw his dog out of a window and somehow you get that dosing the DOG was wrong? How about not dosing the person who is batshit crazy enough to throw a fucking dog out of the window?
After reading your second story, same question. It's still the PERSON on the drug who's doing something fucked up. I'm not advocating giving LSD to animals, I don't think most humans should take acid, and your post clearly illustrates why.
-------------------- LNC's official Alaskan stoner
Give me a fucking break. That cat could have been given anything, or any amount. I could post a scene from Reefer Madness and call it "People given Marijuana!"
The cat was given LSD. I've seen other footage of cats given LSD and they too freaked out. If the cat had been given a too massive dose (thumbprint range) it would be out cold.
This can happen to your kitty if he eats a microdot or nibbles mushrooms. Not a pretty sight, is it?
Quote: I'm sorry I wasn't aware you were the scientist in the background and you personally verified what and how much was given to that cat.
Its selected footage from a scientific experiment. Sure its dramatic but I don;t think the footage was falsified, especially since I saw more such experimental footage.
People dosed without consent and animals can slip into a state of total panic. Its not OK to give an animal psychedelics. If you got a big dog and offer him some beer, the dog can learn to deal with that and you can make sure by dose and frequency that it cannot become an addiction. Big mammals can readily "understand" beer. Psychedelics have too high a potential for all sorts of mental derangements, and with a dog or cat there isn't much mental to begin with.
I agree it's not smart to give psychedelics to any type of animal. There's no reason, the animal isn't going to have a spiritual epiphany or anything.
HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I'm going to believe some government "testing" of a drug on an animal.
Maybe it's that you live in Holland (right?) but the United States government loves to give false information to its people in the form of "scientific" tests, ESPECIALLY in regards to drugs.
If you want an example check out Reefer Madness, although it's an extreme example. If you've already seen or heard of it just ignore that point, but I mean you can't just take someone's word for gold.
-------------------- LNC's official Alaskan stoner
mjshroomer, that was the dumbest response to prove why its bad to not dose ur pet. I dont even believe that farfetched story. So a couple guys broke into a zoo and they lingered there for who knows how long than they left only to come back with some steak and nobody caught them....no security guards no alarm triggered no bystanders who witnessed ppl trippin there balls of yelling at a buncha lions. Even if ur story is true all it taught me was not to feed the animals while ur on acid.......
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I've gotten cats of mine high before, but it was always a 'blow smoke in your direction' kind of thing. Always left an out for the cat if it wanted it. My one cat Frodo liked it but wouldn't go too crazy over it. My room mates cat was crazy about the weed though...it would put its paws up on your chest and wait for you to blow smoke at it.
The cat also ate mushrooms once, or so we think. My room mate walked into the room and the cat had his head in the bag. The cat was never quite the same after...
My cat now doesn't like smoke. I've blown some in his direction once or twice but he always walks away. To each his own
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Im thinking this, maybe dogs and cats just enjoy when u blow smoke in their direction cause if there not getting high, they obviously like something about the smoke. Maybe they just dont ever see it and is simply just interested in smoke. It seems that every time someone smokes and has pets the dogs/cats surround them like a couple of weed scavengers
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It seems that every time someone smokes and has pets the dogs/cats surround them like a couple of weed scavengers
Becuase it smells good to us, imagine what it smells like to an animal with 10,000x our puny sense of smell. They know exactly what it is, and they damn well can remember it, and return for more.
In fact, your dogs can probably detect even the slighest difference in strain, and can smell you pulling it out from across the room, with the right air circulation.
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My cat now doesn't like smoke. I've blown some in his direction once or twice but he always walks away. To each his own
I had a kitten, Juukinzoku. But I had to give her away. So I gave little Zoku to a close friend, who happens to live at the local trap house. So now, this kitten is around people who are constantly smoking shit.
Now, there's this kid who's always there, Nacho, right? He decides it'll be hilarious getting this kitten high. So he did. (I was stoned at the time, so of course I had no objections.) Poor little Zoku was so freaked out! Her eyes got big around as golf balls and she clung to the side of the couch for over an hour, just hanging there. Eventually, we got her down, and she crashed on the couch with us.
That was kitty's first time getting high. She gets high pretty often now, living in the trap house and all. She likes it, and she actually will come back for more after a little while. I feel kind of bad sometimes, but it's not my cat anymore, so whatever. :]
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Getting Your Pets High By Catatonik and Buds McKinsey
There has been a lot of debate over getting one's pet stoned. Some say it is cruel while others insist that their pets strangely show up during crowded smoke sessions and don't seem to mind having smoke blown in their face. This guide is mostly intended for dogs and cats. Please do not attempt to get your bird high. Smoke is very harmful to birds.
I have learned a few things about getting pets stoned over time and figured this may be useful. My intention is not to force animals to take drugs, but to allow for a gentle and effective way of getting your pet high.
Before you start, you must understand that some pets, no matter what, do not want to get high. Even more important, some pets can't stand smoke. There will be a point where your pet understands the experience of getting high and will advocate for themselves. From what I've witnessed, cats advocate for themselves much better than dogs. I'm not too sure why, but I figure the loyalty of most dogs makes it hard to distinguish their intentions.
Some important things to be aware of: There seems to be no evidence that blowing smoke in a pet's ear will get them high. Yes, I know ear, nose, and mouth all share some connection. But would you want someone blowing smoke in your ear to get high? There are few reports of success and there is a chance that the hot smoke may be harmful. So don't do it.
Marijuana also tends to make animals severely agitated in high doses. Many veterinarian sites report that stoners often come in with an agitated dog that got into their stash while they were away. There seems to be no serious long term harm. But if you've ever had an anxiety attack from smoking too much, you know that it really sucks. Also remember that dogs have a very sensitive sense of smell. Don't leave your stash in an open container in an accessible bathroom cabinet to avoid this. And don't experiment with your pet to see just how high they can get.
Another factor to watch for is the pet's size and metabolism. Keep in mind that many pets do not have the same liver function as a human. Dogs tend to have "weak" livers compared to people, and cats are likely to be even more susceptible than dogs to liver damage. You want to avoid this at all costs. The liver does not heal and may lead to other forms of organ failure, including deadly kidney failure. Be warned that although marijuana is generally not considered hepatoxic, the effects on cats and dogs are not well understood. Don't play around with any other drugs when it comes to your pets. That means no alcohol, no designer drugs, and nothing you have not researched. Don't chance anything you are not sure of. Tylenol for example, can be deadly to both dogs and cats, because of the harmful effects on the liver. Humans on the other hand, tolerate Tylenol to some degree. There are more factors to consider regarding your pet's liver and health:
The liver is highly involved with converting or metabolizing drugs to safer, active, and inactive forms. There seems to be little knowledge on how a cat's liver metabolizes the active ingredients in marijuana. But to be on the safer side, let's look at what happens to an impaired human liver: Drugs may be more potent due to the liver's reduced ability to metabolize a drug. This means some drugs may unexpectedly reach toxic levels. It also means the drug may remain in an active form for a longer period of time. Since I am not too sure of how dog and cat kidneys differ from ours, I figure some drugs may take longer to excrete in a pet. Perhaps someone that better understands these functions can make a prediction based on marijuana's active chemicals. Keep in mind that marijuana is generally regarded as safe. To sum all of this up: A 100 pound cat might require significantly less weed than a 100 pound human. Not only that, but the cat may be high for longer than a human. I don't know if cats get the munchies and reach that weight, but you get the idea, right?
So far, I have found two methods to be quite effective for getting your pet high: cannabis butter and fresh smoke in a closed area such as a cabinet.
If you don't know how to make cannabis butter, please look it up. I suggest using the weed+water+butter boiling method over the simple butter+weed sautée. I also suggest using butter form for a specific reason: It seems to be a great form to dissolve the active ingredients in weed. It also is a safe bet for the following reasons: Dogs and cats will eat cannabis butter. This is uniquely important for dogs, since they seem to dislike smoke more than cats. Maybe their sensitive sense of smell has something to do with it. There should not be other harmful chemicals to worry about in cannabis butter. Do not use a plant that has been doused in some kind of questionable treatment. Do not use a plant that is moldy and don't think you can cook off the harmful effects of the mold. Do not use a plant that has been recently sprayed with an insecticide or a chemical such as pyrethrins. Though pyrethrins have the potential to be safe in many applications, cats in particular are very sensitive to it (remember, different liver). Pyrethrins break down over a short period of time though. Dogs also tend to tolerate them better than cats.
Do not cook food first and then give it to the pet. Pets react in unexpected ways to different human treats. This is especially important if you plan on making brownies or chocolate chip cookies. Remember the liver factor? Dogs and especially cats cannot handle the theobromine present in chocolate. It is toxic to them. If you want to be safe, use a recipe from scratch for something like regular oatmeal cookies. You can nuke the batter afterwards (don't let your pets consume raw eggs) and let them lick the mixing bowl. You can also let them lick the cookie plate clean afterwards. If your dog likes to get high and eat cookies (just like the rest of us), it might come in handy as a treat for good behavior.
Note that absorption or bioavailability is another issue with pets eating weed. I assume they can absorb it, since dogs often OD this way. But from observation, it seems to work better for cats. Also keep in mind the intestinal track on both animals is much shorter and direct (being mostly carnivores) which may affect absorption.
The other method involves using a cabinet, and preferably a dry or water filled bong with a carburetor/hole. This method seems to work better for cats. Before you start, I only suggest doing this to a cat you know very well because it will require a little bit of pushing and discretion. Place your cat in a moderately sized cabinet that it can walk around in. It may be easier if the cabinet is at your face level when standing up. Now pack a good bowl, light, and fill the chamber up with a good amount of smoke. Now stop and hold your breath even though there is smoke in the chamber. Point the top of the bong towards the inside of the cabinet. Place your mouth over the carburetor/hole to make a seal and exhale. Now your second hand smoke will push the chamber smoke into the cabinet towards your cat. Now close the cabinet. Repeat once if you want or let it have some more second hand smoke. Just keep in mind that second hand smoke has less active ingredients but may be nearly as harmful. If this is one of the first times, use your judgment to keep the cat in there until you think its had enough.
After a few times, your pet will understand the effects of marijuana and advocate for themselves. If your cat flails its arms about on the next trip to the cabinet, stop right there. Same goes for a pet that suddenly refuses to eat cannabis butter. Your cat doesn't want to get high. From my observations, a typical cat will want to spend just a few minutes inside before pushing the cabinet door open. Sometimes if the smoke is mild or the cabinet is big, they will hang out inside for a longer period.
I hope this information is useful. Please be careful but if you love your pet and both enjoy getting high in a safe manner, don't be ashamed.
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Finaly a thread that doesn't have every poster bashing away on somebody who got their dog stoned.
thanks guys!
