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skipowair540 said:
i get my dog high everytime i smoke she comes up to me when i have weed she has also eating plenty of packs of cigs and multiple bags of weed my dog is fine so all you people that are saying its bad just try it and youll find out the truth

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Yeah, and I'm sure your dog got a nicotine buzz or a weed high from eating that shit.

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RoosterCogburn said:
I DO NOT agree with chasing down your dog and stuffing drugs in them... But almost ALL stories I hear people like you ranting about seem very positive, and include the animal "begging" for some.

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Cowgold said:
/devil's advocate

Where is the report stating your claims?

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RoosterCogburn said:
I assume you take drugs... The first time was by choice or accident, but you went back for more correct?
What if you had no idea how to talk or communicate with words, but you liked the drug and wanted some more?
You'd probably walk over to whoever is in charge of you (your master) and lick his face, purr, bark or whatever whenever you detect the drug's presence.
It seems to me that alot of these "abused" animals do the exact same.
I DO NOT agree with chasing down your dog and stuffing drugs in them... But almost ALL stories I hear people like you ranting about seem very positive, and include the animal "begging" for some.

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RoosterCogburn, this is an example of projection.
You are projecting human thoughts, feelings, inclinations, and psychology on animals.

If animals were human, then your argument would hold water.
They aren't, therefor it doesn't. Animals brains are not anything near as developed as the human mind. Do they have intelligence? Yes. Emotions? Yes. Are they equal or similar to humans? No. They are animals.

You can hold me in low regard if it makes you feel better-- "people like me ranting about..." is a dismissive statement that makes clear you are delegitimizing my points to rationalize yours, or because of because of some hostility you feel towards my views.

I expect you, as a thinking, rational human to be responsible for your actions-- but you can't expect the same of animals. And I think it's misguided to try and shoe-horn human reasoning into the actions of an animal-- it speaks of a disconnect from the reality that an animal is not, and can not, act like a human, or have human desires-- we only read into their actions that way to help US relate to them.

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RoosterCogburn said:
I assume you take drugs... The first time was by choice or accident, but you went back for more correct?
What if you had no idea how to talk or communicate with words, but you liked the drug and wanted some more?
You'd probably walk over to whoever is in charge of you (your master) and lick his face, purr, bark or whatever whenever you detect the drug's presence.
It seems to me that alot of these "abused" animals do the exact same.
I DO NOT agree with chasing down your dog and stuffing drugs in them... But almost ALL stories I hear people like you ranting about seem very positive, and include the animal "begging" for some.

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RoosterCogburn, this is an example of projection.
You are projecting human thoughts, feelings, inclinations, and psychology on animals.

If animals were human, then your argument would hold water.
They aren't, therefor it doesn't. Animals brains are not anything near as developed as the human mind. Do they have intelligence? Yes. Emotions? Yes. Are they equal or similar to humans? No. They are animals.

You can hold me in low regard if it makes you feel better-- "people like me ranting about..." is a dismissive statement that makes clear you are delegitimizing my points to rationalize yours, or because of because of some hostility you feel towards my views.

I expect you, as a thinking, rational human to be responsible for your actions-- but you can't expect the same of animals. And I think it's misguided to try and shoe-horn human reasoning into the actions of an animal-- it speaks of a disconnect from the reality that an animal is not, and can not, act like a human, or have human desires-- we only read into their actions that way to help US relate to them.

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coAsTal said:
I have been a lifelong animal lover and owner-- and calling me names like a child has completely erased your credibility zSDMF.

Grow up and learn to argue like an adult, without arrogant personal insults.

I'm not playing into this flame-baiting any more. I've said what I think, regardless of your opinion-- you taking it personally is your problem, not mine.
I've said what I can say about my perspective here-- that's cool enough for me.

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Cowgold said:
/devil's advocate

Where is the report stating your claims?

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=12182962&query_hl=9&itool=pubmed_docsum

You can look at the last few sentences of this peer-reviewed reference from pubmed where it states:
"Numerous studies have shown that THC is unable to induce a self-administration behaviour in animals."

Within this review (p. 159) it discusses several studies.  There are 10 studies looking at THC self-administratoin in rats and rhesus monkeys.  None were able to train animals to dose themselves with THC.  If you'd like me to list each and every one of these I will.

These 10 or so (as well as "regular books") showing that animals will not dose themselves with THC is in stark contrast to the claims of "Dude, my dog loves it".  Believe what you will, I know what I'm in agreement with.

As far as hallucinogens are concerned, I would refer you to the review by Dave Nichols (an expert in the field).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=14761703&query_hl=17&itool=pubmed_DocSum

specifically, on page 134 where he states: "There are no literature reports of successful attempts to train animals to self-administer classical hallucinogens"

Again, if you really want me to dig up some more references I'm sure I can.

So, it appears that under controlled conditions, when animals have the ability to dose themselves with either THC or most "classical hallucinogens" they will NOT do it.  I think this is good evidence that they don't like the effects.

Observing an animal eating or licking something in the wild ONCE, does not mean the animal will do it again.  If anyone can provide me with  evidence other than: "I once heard", or self-published book and/or website I will certainly offer my opinion on the matter.

And doesn't this make sense?  In human studies, subjects usually experience anxiety and nervousness after consumption of psilocybin.  This is after careful preparation and a knowledge of what to expect.  How do you think an animal will react?

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They do exist!  Usually people talk out their ass and reference non-existent reports or studies.  The devil inside me keeps saying, "these are for lab rats and monkeys and don't represent the diets or behavior of the entire animal kingdom." 

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DRTMaverick said:
I figure, until you can actually verbally communicate with an animal and get a Yes or No from them, you really can't dose them. It wouldn't be right.

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coAsTal said:
I have been a lifelong animal lover and owner-- and calling me names like a child has completely erased your credibility zSDMF.

Grow up and learn to argue like an adult, without arrogant personal insults.

I'm not playing into this flame-baiting any more. I've said what I think, regardless of your opinion-- you taking it personally is your problem, not mine.
I've said what I can say about my perspective here-- that's cool enough for me.

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Dude, he just called you a silly goose. I somehow doubt he was actually trying to shred your character.

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badchad said:
And doesn't this make sense? In human studies, subjects usually experience anxiety and nervousness after consumption of psilocybin. This is after careful preparation and a knowledge of what to expect. How do you think an animal will react?

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coAsTal said:
Anyone who purposely drugs an animal is:

• An absolute asshole
  
• An abusive pet owner
  
• An ignorant prick
  
• An immature dumb fuck
  

If you seriously think that an animal has the ability to understand the warping of reality that occurs during drug use, and somehow thinks it's a good thing, you are all of the above.

If you did it on purpose, you should be ashamed and embarrassed.

If it happened accidentally, you should just be embarrassed.

Jesus Christ.

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coAsTal said:
I stand by my position-- I think it's abusive to feed a domesticated animal psychedelics on purpose. I don't regard blowing pot smoke at a dog/cat as an issue, for the reason stated above-- it isn't going to get them high with that little concentration. I'm not a damned conservative either

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coAsTal said:
I have been a lifelong animal lover and owner-- and calling me names like a child has completely erased your credibility zSDMF.

Grow up and learn to argue like an adult, without arrogant personal insults.

I'm not playing into this flame-baiting any more. I've said what I think, regardless of your opinion-- you taking it personally is your problem, not mine.
I've said what I can say about my perspective here-- that's cool enough for me.

Best--

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RoosterCogburn said:
I assume you take drugs... The first time was by choice or accident, but you went back for more correct?
What if you had no idea how to talk or communicate with words, but you liked the drug and wanted some more?
You'd probably walk over to whoever is in charge of you (your master) and lick his face, purr, bark or whatever whenever you detect the drug's presence.
It seems to me that alot of these "abused" animals do the exact same.
I DO NOT agree with chasing down your dog and stuffing drugs in them... But almost ALL stories I hear people like you ranting about seem very positive, and include the animal "begging" for some.

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RoosterCogburn, this is an example of projection.
You are projecting human thoughts, feelings, inclinations, and psychology on animals.

If animals were human, then your argument would hold water.
They aren't, therefor it doesn't. Animals brains are not anything near as developed as the human mind. Do they have intelligence? Yes. Emotions? Yes. Are they equal or similar to humans? No. They are animals.

You can hold me in low regard if it makes you feel better-- "people like me ranting about..." is a dismissive statement that makes clear you are delegitimizing my points to rationalize yours, or because of because of some hostility you feel towards my views.

I expect you, as a thinking, rational human to be responsible for your actions-- but you can't expect the same of animals. And I think it's misguided to try and shoe-horn human reasoning into the actions of an animal-- it speaks of a disconnect from the reality that an animal is not, and can not, act like a human, or have human desires-- we only read into their actions that way to help US relate to them.

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