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 Important to think about Hell 
#6738394 - 04/02/07 03:59 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've just started to read the Bible and wanna share this stuff with you guys. Not because I'm crazy but because I believe it's more reliable than people think and even if you don't believe you should think about it. I've learned that all the contradictions in the Bible can be explained, granted you're not just pointing fingers to prove it wrong. If you honestly look through it, you will find that contradictions are apparent, but only if you're looking to prove them as such. If you go totally based on the Bible, then you'll see that what it teaches is that man can't accept Jesus, or that the casual believers and agnostics are just as bad as non-believers. There is no purgatory and churches can't save you. The word 'predestine' is actually in the Bible multiple times (referring to man's salvation). Most of all, there is definately a hell to which many people will go,(it could be implied that most will go, but I don't think it specifically says that) and there is no end to it. Forever and ever and ever, and there is no hope of getting out once you're in. The gate is locked and no one will go in or out thereafter. Our sole existance on earth is to warn people about this in hopes that God wants to save them. You can't dispute the Bible on moral grounds, which many do, because it's not saying there's a God that pleases man's ideas of fairness and perfection and whatnot. It only says "this is God and this is what He's like", and that's all we can base our beliefs from. It's vital that people think about this more deeply. Forget about dinosaur bones and carbon dating and all those excuses for a minute. Hell is like a terrorist threat, but infinitely worse, and people should give an honest and zealous investigation before saying they don't believe it's 'true'. Seriously... you would respond to a terrorist threat wouldn't you? If we could comprehend the severity of it, we would be terrified and we'd definitely be responding. I hate to be the guy with the doomsday sign, but it's soooo important to just think about it at the least.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
#6738401 - 04/02/07 04:02 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have a look at this website.
www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com
And by the way, may I ask which version of the bible you are reading?
The website basically lays out why hell is a complete contradiction to Christianity and where the concept of it most likely came from. It makes several good points as to why hell doesn't even make sense if you believe that God sent his only son to die for your salvation.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: flower_child]
#6738545 - 04/02/07 04:45 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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king james version is the best available translation, although not perfect in itself.
and i took a quick look at that site, cause i have to go, but ill check it out more later. that person shows very little spiritual understanding of the Bible, and is twisting it in a way that contradicts it. "the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever" does that sound like God didn't put that in the Bible to you? I have to go though, so I can't fully lay out why I think what I think.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
#6738568 - 04/02/07 04:54 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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King James Version is really not accuarate by today's standards of translations.
Do you really know how difficult translation from ancient Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic etc. is? Even today translators, theologens and many other authorities on the subject will admit that they can't do justice a good deal of the translating. Just imagine how much less accurate it would have been in the time of King James.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: flower_child]
#6738620 - 04/02/07 05:09 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you saying God is a terrorist?
Do you know what false flag operations are?
It might be very important to think about, but hell as a rammification for not clearly perceiving truth, vs as a rammification for creating hell with your mind and manifesting it in an astral plane which then becomes concrete reality until it burns all the mind patterns out of you, freeing you to dwell elsewhere...
well, that is a bit different.
Do you know what a false flag operation is? Hell is a clause to keep people from escaping a system of control disguised within spiritual teachings. Satan is a boogeyman.
Hell might be real and it might be how the Christians say, but if you read the book the book will become your mind, just like if you listen to a CD the CD will become your mind, just like if you scour all of my posts, you will become my mind.
Authors are authorities and authorities create reality. Without Christ's love the Bible is a zealous terrorist, it is this one crucial thing that should determine whether or not one becomes a Christian, for if one never ever has the "Holy Spirit" or Christ's love, but always has a tombstone of fear tied upon the shoulders, one is simply being raped by authority.
The other caveat is that Hellfire sermons are a way to encounter and vanquish ones shadow and because of the polar flipflops of emotions allow one access to intense states of emotional purity wherein they are binded with the Christ archetype at the end.... however because of this intense nature it also has the capacity of making a sound Christian systematically and perpetually doubt their salvation for the entire rest of their religious lifetime, as was my experience.... I believed quite a bit that Jesus loved me and that I was saved until I encountered the dragons spewing hellfire out of their mouths with Bibles in hand.
unlike the Bible though I really can't say and don't have the right to say that I am right. I know some will interpret it that way, finding resonance in my words, the problem arises if I threaten the people who won't listen to me with death for heedlessness, then they will be forced to at least pay lip service to my writings.
I view the HELL interpretation of the Bible thusly as this, yet there is clearly immense benefit in comtemplating ones mortality, frailty, (wickedness?) = [lack of unconditional love for all beings?], and otherwise negative traits, and how feeble we are in order that we may grow spiritually.
In this case I prefer the Buddhists, inspiring one to look at an ant and feel compassion for the ant, identify yourself as just as fragile, and understanding how precious a gift life is..... it is somewhat the same as thinking "gee I could go to hell" but its not a terrorist threat.
When we consider the slipstream of words saturating the collective consciousness of mankind and creating in them consensus views of reality so that various agendas can surface and all can run smoothly, the only validity Christianity has lies in the hands of Christ. The individual then must discover CHRIST rather than the dogmatic false christ lest they are wasting their time, IMO.
Edited by leery11 (04/02/07 05:16 PM)
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
#6739069 - 04/02/07 07:01 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I looked into it and now I'm not worried. Praise de lawd.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: Icelander]
#6739429 - 04/02/07 07:57 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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hell is when you have been given the incredible gift of life yet people ignore this and kill one another, become selfish, materialistic, etc and fail to see our true potential and that Earth could be a heaven
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: alarmist]
#6739477 - 04/02/07 08:08 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exact, we create our own "hell" as well as we can find our way out... ON OUR OWN.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: alarmist]
#6740345 - 04/02/07 11:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
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hell is when you have been given the incredible gift of life yet people ignore this and kill one another, become selfish, materialistic, etc and fail to see our true potential and that Earth could be a heaven
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: Icelander]
#6740770 - 04/03/07 01:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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well it seems to me that you've chosen buddhism because you like it better. i believe that God was here first, and that's just the way it is. we don't choose to believe in Him and that makes Him real all of a sudden. so even if the truth isn't pleasing to me, it's still the truth. i can't convince you He's there or not, or that hell is real. no one can, but i'm saying instead of disputing it, just see what it has to say. i have to say, i hope you're right, for my sake and everyone else's. you don't know how much i want not to believe, but being on this side now, after i was honest with myself, i can't dispute the fact that i do believe and i can't even reason or use logic that is convincing enough to say with surety there is no God. and this comes after a lifetime of reasoning and disputing. i certainly don't want the responsibility of what the Bible says being a human being is. i really hope someone will take this to heart instead of offense.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
#6741097 - 04/03/07 06:07 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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> king james version is the best available translation
Actually, the KJV is one of the worst translations available. It was translated with the idea of making the King happy, not with accuracy in mind.
Regarding hell... I feel that we are currently living in hell. When we die, we are reborn into hell or we merge into oneness (go to heaven). I don't feel that this is a function of good and evil, but rather a function of ones desires.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: Seuss]
#6742100 - 04/03/07 02:38 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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so how do we achieve heaven then?
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shizznit]
#6742631 - 04/03/07 04:58 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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so how do we achieve heaven then?
To choose it, and be it, right now.
To be, you must have chosen. And to choose, you have to be.
That's the secret about the 'illusion' of 'predetermination'.
Edited by BlueCoyote (04/03/07 05:04 PM)
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: BlueCoyote]
#6742818 - 04/03/07 05:49 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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we dont. its up to God. but for every sin you commit, i think hell just gets worse and worse.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
#6742931 - 04/03/07 06:21 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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We choose to do harm.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
#6744199 - 04/03/07 11:43 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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king james version is the best available translation, although not perfect in itself.
and i took a quick look at that site, cause i have to go, but ill check it out more later. that person shows very little spiritual understanding of the Bible, and is twisting it in a way that contradicts it. "the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever" does that sound like God didn't put that in the Bible to you? I have to go though, so I can't fully lay out why I think what I think.
The KJV is one of the worst tranlations. Lets remember it is just a translation- thats it. Here are just a few flaws:
1. It was written in 1611. Middle english is not the easiet reading in 2007.
2. A monk added a verse to prove the trinity.
3. Mistranslation after mistranslation.
4. Words were invented for this version. Hell, for one, which in reality is inaccurately used for several different places- Sheol (Abraham's bossom), Gehenna, Hades, lake of fire, and a couple of others...more on this in a minute). Baptism is another invented word. Emersion is accurate. Baptismos is the greek word that translates to "sunken like a ship".
5. The KJV is based on the Gevenna Bible. It's not an original.
According to "How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth" (a hermeneutics book used in seminaries and at home) the NIV is the best word for word translation, hands down. Don't even argue until you've read that book and pick up a couple of college level commentaries.
Different tranlations serve different purposes (i.e. Amplified, NIV, NASB, NCV.....).
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: mikemushroom]
#6744261 - 04/03/07 11:56 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Icelander--you stole my avatar. As long as you like Castaneda that's cool.
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Trying to scare people in to heaven is wrong, and it doesn't work like that. Shame on those who do that!
An ongoing debate in the world of theologians is the reality of hell. The Bible speak of eternal death not eternal burning. Fire, throughout scripture, esp in the OT, is used to purify. Many argue that this purification will allow the souls of the damned to be exterminated. And let me say that I am generalizing when I use 'hell'. Jesus does give a parable mentioning a firey hell, but it is a parable. This is after he show then Gehenna. He uses this illustration to show the contrat between heaven and hell.
I could go on and on and on, but look this stuff up for yourself. Never ever take someones word for truth when it comes to religion. It is up to us all to be students of things that are considered metaphysical.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: MushroomTrip]
#6744436 - 04/04/07 12:39 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exact, we create our own "hell" as well as we can find our way out... ON OUR OWN.
I remember I took 5 hits of acid my first time... worst mistake ever. my friend starting vomitting, I paniced and it got exponentially worse in my mind... I came down and everything was fine.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: mikemushroom]
#6744734 - 04/04/07 02:09 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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-The NIV changed the words 'faith of Christ' to 'faith in Christ' which completely changes the meaning of a very important phrase in more than a few instances. Christ having faith in us (as if to choose us), not the other way around. Of course the KJV isn't perfect. No version is. It's a good thing you can get a concordance and look up original greek and hebrew text.
-Christ said to Judas that it would have been better if he had not been born than to betray Him. If he was going back to a death of nothingness, or the state of not being born, then it's all the same isn't it? Fire doesn't purify in the Bible, it judges and represents the sacrafice of Christ (in terms of burning sacrafices).
-look at it from my point of view: hell is something (fairly) real to me, and i wanna tell people for their own sake, not for the sake of scaring them into a cult. i'm scared. that's just the way it is. if it is scares you that's the result of reality and not just a mode of pointless assimilation. Are you gonna not believe there's terrorism and insanity and murder in the world because it scares you? Some people are gonna not believe because they don't want to, but that doesn't make it go away. Not you specifically, but that's a common response.
I'm interested in taking a look at that hermeneutics book now.
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Edited by shane (04/04/07 02:20 AM)
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
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Where is the "faith of Christ" verse found. It is hard to understand what you are speaking of without context. One mistake people make is comparing different verions against the KJV. You have to look at the original text.
No english (or any other) translation is perfect. This is why good commentaries are needed as well a a few different version of the Bible. When I look at passages, I always use a NIV and a NASB, and maybe a couple other versions. When you use different versions, it is important to understand their origin as well a their purpose. The NIV is a more accurate word for word translation while the NASB is based off the KJV, but it is more literal. The NASB is a little harder to follow for this very reason.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
#6747062 - 04/04/07 05:42 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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-The NIV changed the words 'faith of Christ' to 'faith in Christ' which completely changes the meaning of a very important phrase in more than a few instances. Christ having faith in us (as if to choose us), not the other way around. Of course the KJV isn't perfect. No version is. It's a good thing you can get a concordance and look up original greek and hebrew text.
-Christ said to Judas that it would have been better if he had not been born than to betray Him. If he was going back to a death of nothingness, or the state of not being born, then it's all the same isn't it? Fire doesn't purify in the Bible, it judges and represents the sacrafice of Christ (in terms of burning sacrafices).
-look at it from my point of view: hell is something (fairly) real to me, and i wanna tell people for their own sake, not for the sake of scaring them into a cult. i'm scared. that's just the way it is. if it is scares you that's the result of reality and not just a mode of pointless assimilation. Are you gonna not believe there's terrorism and insanity and murder in the world because it scares you? Some people are gonna not believe because they don't want to, but that doesn't make it go away. Not you specifically, but that's a common response.
I'm interested in taking a look at that hermeneutics book now.
Why are two opiates in your avatar if I might ask?
Okay here's the thing, mortality scares the shit out of humans. Social institutions are vampirse that exploit this fear in order to gain submission to their authority.
Just as you are terrified of hellfire and a judgemental God, so much so is the woman who shakes salt over her shoulders afraid of getting lepresy by being mauled by a black cat. Look at the dark ages, the Bible was ultimate authority, NOT, the Church was, the Church kept people completely superstitious, nowhere did Christ rule, it was only corruption. It was never about Christ's love, it was about adherence to a murderous authority, and the only way they could do this is to weave the fear of mortality deep into the souls of every follower, constantly reminding them not only that they can be heinously tortured by the Church, but also by GOD HIMSELF, a torture that never ends, ultimately yielding to the Church ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY OF GOD and ABSOLUTE POWER that is UNQESTIONABLE because to question their authority is to have the wrath of the Church upon you, but also to have the wrath of an even fiercer and diaboloical God upon you
nowhere in their actions is anything about Christ used. Christ was a political subversionist, possibly a messiah, possibly maybe even God himself, who knows, that is up to him to prove to us...... but as soon as the authorities murdered Christ, in order to quell his rebellion they used his name, his image, his ideas, and state endorsed them, stamped the Roman seal of approval on, and then subverted his words enough so that people were busy fretting about a heaven in the AFTER life and avoiding a DEATH in the afterlife, rather than actualizing the KINGDOM OF GOD IN THE ETERNAL PRESENT MOMENT BY LOVING ONE ANOTHER AND ATTAINING SUPREME UNITY WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT so then effectively Christianity became, as soon as the term Christian was invented, a false religion used by authority, created by authority, and propogated by "illuminati" into this day and age wherein now they are still using the message of a political subversionist to blind many into comitting acts of evil, and terrifying a good few people on the sidelines into blind obedience by deferring the powers of hell into their minds.
This is not true this is just my opinion...... but the fact that I can even write it is curious to me....
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Imagine that Christ is a gnostic, imagine he is trying to show people to NOT be dogmatic, to NOT worship a scripture, and imagine that his message was that "The kingdom of God is within you/at hand" ..... BE HERE NOW...... open your third eye ("if thine eye is single thy body is full of light" imagine he was liberating souls in the present moment and then they debunked all his valid teachings into some sort of lie that meek and meager faith in a crucified deity and submission to lifeless and inhuman rituals would provide enlightenment... NO they weren't even after enlightenment, they are just following Christ to be saved.... SAVED? Saved from what, from whom? From eternal torture.... the message of salvation only exists because of the duality of damnation, it may not be so that we are under death sentence by God and that faith in a concept is the only thing to free us.... this is up to the Christians to attest for whether or not Jesus yields transpersonal states of unconditional love, I would like him to enter my life if that is the case, as all existence without love can be considered hell
but no no no it is about freedom from DAMNATION and it is so clearly the same thing as a king saying FOLLOW ME OR DIE that really it just makes sense that authority decided to call its tyranny God by writing the Bible a certain way
If Jesus is who they say, then may his light and compassion liberate all sentient beings on this planet from suffering and the causes of suffering that we may all be pardoned and attain supreme grace.
If not, then may the lie be forever destroyed......
I am just compiling my complaints and the complaints of others. If you had never read the Bible but instead the Bagvad Gita then this would all be a moot point wouldn't it, what about them? I understand the terror of hell and the hopelessness of being faced by an evil God that does not care about you and is trying to incessantly trick you so that you pick the wrong path, and abandoning all your reasoning....
the flip side is simple:
Jesus loves you.
I hope that is true. If so, why is all the ugliness omnipresent throughout his legacy? The devil may have invented the very idea of the devil, the devil may just be authority.
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Om bhur bhuvaha swaha tat savitur varenyam bhargo devasya dhimahi, dhiyo yonah prachodyat.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: leery11]
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If Jesus is real I would also gladly bask in his love.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: mikemushroom]
#6747079 - 04/04/07 05:48 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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you can go to biblegateway.com and compare all the different versions in different languages and whatnot. -http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html
-http://www.greekbible.com/index.php
-http://www.biblegateway.com/
those three sites are perfect and have all you need in terms of studying and comparing
-"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." galations 2:16
-"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:"
so you can trace this back to the original greek fairly easily.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
#6747236 - 04/04/07 06:31 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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The KJV is based on the correct underlying greek manuscripts. The modern translations are simply terrible and they are based on different manuscripts. No translation is perfect, but the KJV is in comparison MUCH better than ANY modern translation.
We have computers today, and free programs, we can always check the underlying greek/hebrew to make sure of the translation.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: fivepointer]
#6747257 - 04/04/07 06:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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The Word has many doctrines that are very hard to grasp and seem offensive. But instead of letting it say what it says people will attempt to twist the plain teaching, because they do not like what they have read, since it doesn't fit in with what they have imagined.
How does one reject Christ? By not receiving the doctrines of scripture. They create a false jesus with the false doctrines they have imagined, and seem like they are "Christian" but are in reality idolators.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
#6747368 - 04/04/07 07:06 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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shane said:
you can go to biblegateway.com and compare all the different versions in different languages and whatnot. -http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html
-http://www.greekbible.com/index.php
-http://www.biblegateway.com/
those three sites are perfect and have all you need in terms of studying and comparing
-"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." galations 2:16
-"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:"
so you can trace this back to the original greek fairly easily.
I looked into the "faith of" vs. "faith in" differences a few years ago. The KJV correctly translates "faith of" see, Romans 3:26; Galatians 2:16, 3:22; Ephesians 3:12; Philipians 3:9.
The modern translations are incorrect. You can see the Arminianism created by changing just a few "of"s to "in"s.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: fivepointer]
#6749038 - 04/05/07 02:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly. That's what I'm saying.
God might love creations, but he hates sin, as it says in the Bible. And we are full of sin. Moreso than we realize. The last meal you had was dripping in sin. The last good deed you did was dripping in sin. Probably because you did it in your own name, and not Jesus', thus exalting yourself above him, or something to that effect.
Yes there are opiates in my avatar. I had that one a couple months ago before I started getting into the Bible, and I just like them because they're familiar now. Thats a good example of holding high places and like the story of Lot's wife. I think I'll change it now.
Go to familyradio.com for what I would consider to be a really biblical outlook on things.
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Edited by shane (04/05/07 02:41 AM)
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: shane]
#6749066 - 04/05/07 02:45 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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The only ones who are dripping in sin are the ones that induce the guilt trip into people's minds.
Can;t you see that?
When one has that feel he's afraid of experience life in it's fullness. And when the happens his world becomes limited and without knowledge and can't see anymore that he's being lied.
Life is to live and learn. Life in to enjoy it.
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: fivepointer]
#6750600 - 04/05/07 02:59 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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fivepointer said:
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shane said:
you can go to biblegateway.com and compare all the different versions in different languages and whatnot. -http://www.blueletterbible.org/index.html
-http://www.greekbible.com/index.php
-http://www.biblegateway.com/
those three sites are perfect and have all you need in terms of studying and comparing
-"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." galations 2:16
-"And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:"
so you can trace this back to the original greek fairly easily.
I looked into the "faith of" vs. "faith in" differences a few years ago. The KJV correctly translates "faith of" see, Romans 3:26; Galatians 2:16, 3:22; Ephesians 3:12; Philipians 3:9.
The modern translations are incorrect. You can see the Arminianism created by changing just a few "of"s to "in"s.
I don't see how this effects the meaning of any of these verses.
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: mikemushroom]
#6750689 - 04/05/07 03:27 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Of course the KJV isn't perfect. No version is
Well, then that's the end of it... Why bother reading "the word of god" in an imperfect form?
Just live, man.
Stop feeling bad for all the bad shit you did in the past, and dump this guilty feeling you have... There is no god, and no one to judge you but YOURSELF. When you learn how to be cool with who you are, you will find all this god/religion nonsense just that... nonsense.
Not trying to offend or anything... but you seem to be a classic case of "Someone convinced me I am going to hell, and now I must be super holy". It's bullshit, and it's designed to control your life, sap your finances and rape your children.
Wake up before it's too late. 
Edited by RoosterCogburn (04/05/07 03:28 PM)
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when they convinced me i was going to my hell i made my brother say meaningless bullshit at the end of his prayers to god, closing in "Jesus I ask you into my heart" because I thought that was the only way to not go to hell, by saying that stupid nonsense dribble.... as if his prayers to God and Jesus weren't "sincere" enough I had to muddy them with imposed dogmatic rhetoric tacked into the end in a formulaic way, that way my dear young brother, probably 4 or 5 years old, wouldn't burn in eternity after all
where IS JESUS where is JESUS where is JESUS????? Without Jesus the Bible is a lie.
it is like you see a baby learning to walk, and you give him a beating and say NO YOU MUST WALK LIKE THIS and show him how to add unnecessary and non-intuitive and un-graceful movements to his steps, making walking a burden.
Maybe it's like a woman getting raped and defending her assailent, claming she deserved it......
Jesus is the only thing we should care about when inquiring into Christianity, otherwise we are just being masochistic and harming our lower chakras.
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We meditate upon that supreme light , the source of all creation, may it illumine our intellects and bring us eternal life.
Edited by leery11 (04/05/07 03:40 PM)
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: fivepointer]
#6751020 - 04/05/07 05:06 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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fivepointer said:
The KJV is based on the correct underlying greek manuscripts. The modern translations are simply terrible and they are based on different manuscripts. No translation is perfect, but the KJV is in comparison MUCH better than ANY modern translation.
We have computers today, and free programs, we can always check the underlying greek/hebrew to make sure of the translation.
Um. You are wrong. Read my new thread The Differences in Translations of the Bible
I don't need PC programs. I can just look at my three sets of commentaries, Bibles (KJV, NIV, NASB, NKJV, NLV, NCV, NRSV, NAS,and a couple others), Strongs Exhaustive Concordance, Bible Dictionaries, Intro. to Christian Doctrine books by Millard and others, etc. You have not done your homework, with all due respect.
The KJV is faulty as far as the NT is concerned because it is based on later manucripts which have accumilated many, many errors over a 1000+ year period.
Hermenuetics 101.
MM
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Edited by mikemushroom (04/05/07 05:13 PM)
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: mikemushroom]
#6760903 - 04/08/07 01:28 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hell is a seemingly real state of ignorance fueled by our fear driven belief that we are stuck in a changeless reality. It's an illusion. Christian metaphores like this were probably not meant to be taken literal until more than a few power hungry dipshits abused them eons ago. If you believe in Hell, you're in it now...
Edited by Mourningdove (04/08/07 01:31 PM)
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RoosterCogburn said:
Well, then that's the end of it... Why bother reading "the word of god" in an imperfect form?
Your posts are far from perfect, yet I still read them. Why should imperfection prevent me from reading something?
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Re: Important to think about Hell [Re: Mourningdove]
#6763325 - 04/09/07 01:07 AM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hell is a seemingly real state of ignorance fueled by our fear driven belief that we are stuck in a changeless reality. It's an illusion. Christian metaphores like this were probably not meant to be taken literal until more than a few power hungry dipshits abused them eons ago. If you believe in Hell, you're in it now...
Yep. Another flaw of the KJV. The word hell is not even a part of the Greek language in Jesus' day. How could the people understand a word that had no reference. This is exactly why Jesus spoke of Hades which is the underworld in mythology. Everyone knew what that was. All that symbolism was meant to show that "Hell" (if you will) is bad. I really doubt that Heaven has streets of gold and pearly gates. Where is the platinum? Symbolism.
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