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 OneMoreRobot3021
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 FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. 
#6593828 - 02/21/07 03:42 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been bitching about wanting a puppy for-fucking-ever. I just did a bunch of financial calculations and, give or take a few dollars, I've got about 3 times my monthly rent right now. That's after being 2000 dollars in debt about five months ago, nice turnaround, time to reward myself with puppylove. Really though. I want a dog, I've wanted one my entire life. I grew up with a cat for sixteen years and now, I'm ready for dogsville. I feel like my financial situation gives me a cushion that okays spending 150-300 on adopting a dog and then 30/40 a month in upkeep...
There's a lot that goes into getting a dog, I know that, and a lot of that is your responsibility toward giving the dog the love, discipline, and activity that it needs. My main worry is that I work too much. Right now my work schedule is heavy indeed but that's because it's heavy concert season and I work coat check two nights a week. Coat check is REALLY lucrative, and so I want to milk it until it's over, which should be mid-to-late April. But until then most Wednesday and Friday nights I'm out of the house.
Monday, Wednesday Thursday and Friday are full workdays for me 20 blocks from my apt. Tuesday I work a few blocks away from my apt and would be able to visit my dog more than once during the day. My roommate never works nights and is keen to help out raising the dog, and my girlfriend just moved two blocks away from my apt. and has no reservations about helping out with the dog as well.
I'd welcome the reason to wake up earlier, to smoke less late at night so I can be up early to go for a walk. I don't see it as a chore, moreso a living motivation to do what I always want to do but never do, which is take a walk in the morning before starting my day.
There's an adoption center I'm going to check out on Saturday. I wanna pick me up a nice lil mutt. Just dunno if I should!
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Dog's are awesome...especially Pound Puppies. When i was a kid we had a ton of Full breed really High dollar type dogs(how we afforded them i don't know)But there were always fucking insane.
as soon as i got out i got a pound pet and he was so loyal and happy to be in a good home.
I'm looking for another one,but i just can't decide on a breed yet.
I say do it man.Between the 3 of you you should certainly be able to take care of a good mildly independent dog.
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: CaptainH13]
#6593850 - 02/21/07 03:49 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I get one, it'd definitely be an adoption, I wouldn't buy from a breeder or anything. Not for my first dog.
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Typically if they were just emaciated they will often be really greatful to be in a good home. Sometimes you can get into trouble with the more abused dogs, being very shy and insecure with quick movements,loud noises and damn near anything.
I'd still never go with Full breed dogs again,they were always just so nuts,man.
part of my really likes the Medium sized Shetlands...i don't know why though,hah..
I really Miss my Great Dane though..
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OneMoreRobot3021
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: CaptainH13]
#6593863 - 02/21/07 03:53 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have to get a medium-to-small sized dog because of the constraints of apartment-living. My living room is a good size for a dog that won't grow too large. I'm thinking some sort of Jack Russell Terrier mix..
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Stein
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let me intervene
you do want one from a breeder
you don't want to feel all bad when his/her hips go all bad and wish you had gone the other way
been there done that
I love them all but you don't want to get a mutt.
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: Stein]
#6593868 - 02/21/07 03:55 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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get a bunny
they are squishy
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: notapillow]
#6593908 - 02/21/07 04:11 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have a kitty he puke and shit on my bed last night
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PeyoteZen
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I think that is a great idea.
The companionship of a dog is priceless.
However, having said that, they can be very expensive.
And you never know what could go wrong.
My cousin and his wife got the sweetest dog, the love him to death. But 2 years after they got him, his hips became really fucked up.
They had to drop like 1500 on surgery just to keep him alive and not in pain.
But who wouldn't spend the money? A good pet is family. I'm just saying.... unforseen financial arm twisters are possible. 
Good luck on your decision. You will be a great pet owner!
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Having done both now - bought our 1st dog from a breeder and adopted our 2nd from a pound...there are upsides and down sides to both. By buying from a breeder, you're spending more money, but most reputable breeders give hip/eye guarantees, and you know that you're getting a healthy puppy. You also have to spend money down the road to get the pup spayed/neutered, where as when you adopt from a pound, they typically do that and include it in the adoption fee. Upside to adopting a pound puppy - you're saving a life, spending less money on adoption fees than you would be buying a purebred pup. You're also not adding to the over-population problem. Downside to adopting a pound puppy - they get sick. A lot. We brought our dog home on Saturday afternoon, and between then and now have spent $500 on vet bills. She's in rough shape, and I don't know if she's going to get better. If you DO go the route of adopting from a shelter, make sure the dog has been tested and vaccinated for Parvo, Distemper, worms, etc. Also make sure that there are no current cases of kennel cough at the shelter, or your dog that you bring home will almost definitely have it as well, and it is sheer fucking misery, believe me.
Either way though, good luck. Also, I don't know if $30-$40 a month to budget for upkeep of the dog is sufficient. You'll want to keep it on year round heart worm and flea/tick prevention, which is costly, as well as feed it some type of decent dog food, and budget for vaccines, physicals, and god forbid, emergency vet visits.
Just my 2 cents for a fellow Jew  Consider adopting a black dog as well - they are put down more than any other dogs in the country, so you'd be saving a life 
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: Stein]
#6594043 - 02/21/07 04:54 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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How is a dog from a breeder any less likely to have health problems? aside from possibly coming home skinny and with kennel cough. A breeder isn't going to give you a refund or pay for any surgery should your animal need it.
I've got a $1,800 english bulldog that came from a well known and respected breeder; barely a year old and we already know of 2 surgeries she needs; bad knees and excessive soft palette tissue. Fortunately this one (we've had bulldogs before) has insurance. Pet insurance is a great idea if you have the capacity to shell out an extra $10-$50 a month.
Getting a mutt first is also a great idea. Purebreds can have a lot of different personality issues from all their inbreeding; mutt's are generally more even keeled. Plus you'll feel good about saving an animal's life. He/she will appreciate it too.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now thats is an idea ...
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PeyoteZen
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: PeyoteZen]
#6594093 - 02/21/07 05:07 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh and don't get anything with sheep herding instincts.
They are neurotic and will not like living in an apartment.
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: Brewmaster]
#6594096 - 02/21/07 05:08 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Get a puppy OMR! DO IT! you know you won't regret it!
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: Brewmaster]
#6594197 - 02/21/07 05:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bulldogs are notorious for both of those problems, so that's sort of a bad example.
Dogs from breeders are generally healthier because conditions in kennels or shelters are usually pretty lousy. People drop off their sick animals, then every other dogs there gets sick, the cages aren't cleaned properly, etc. Most reputable breeders don't allow stuff like that to happen. If a dog gets sick, it is isolated from the rest, where with a shelter that's not usually even possible to do.
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: Brewmaster]
#6594337 - 02/21/07 06:11 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Brewmaster said:
How is a dog from a breeder any less likely to have health problems? aside from possibly coming home skinny and with kennel cough. A breeder isn't going to give you a refund or pay for any surgery should your animal need it.
I've got a $1,800 english bulldog that came from a well known and respected breeder; barely a year old and we already know of 2 surgeries she needs; bad knees and excessive soft palette tissue. Fortunately this one (we've had bulldogs before) has insurance. Pet insurance is a great idea if you have the capacity to shell out an extra $10-$50 a month.
Getting a mutt first is also a great idea. Purebreds can have a lot of different personality issues from all their inbreeding; mutt's are generally more even keeled. Plus you'll feel good about saving an animal's life. He/she will appreciate it too.
How are they less likely to have health problems? Simple! Responsible breeders health test their breeding stock before using it as a part of their breeding program. For my own breed, we test for L2-Hga, Hereditary Cataracts, PHPV, Distachias, Entropian, Ectropian and a couple of other things. If one of our dogs fails any of these tests - they are simply not used as part of our breeding program.
Some breeders WILL refund your money or help out with surgery costs. Two pups we bred developed a brain abnormality. An unfortunate thing which could not be helped. We refunded the money for one puppy and replaced the other puppy with one from our next litter at the owners request. We also guarantee our puppies to be free from any hereditary diseases or again - we'll refund the purchase price or replace the puppy.
I disagree with your statement'Purebreds can have a lot of different personality issues from all their inbreeding'. A purebred in general actually has a more predictable temperament than a cross bred. When you start crossing breeds you start throwing a little bit of everything into the mix from each breed and you have no way of knowing just which bit you're going to get. You might get the snappiness of a Maltese or you might get the fiestyness of a Border Terrier. You just have no way of knowing. At least with a dog which is pure bred you have a pretty good idea as to what it's temperament will be like.
Inbreeding has nothing to do with 'personality issues'. If a dog is fucked in the head then it's fucked in the head. Personality is partly born and partly environment and behaviours are learned. It also depends as to what you call inbreeding.
In breeding dogs there is actually not a whole lot of in breeding which goes on. Line breeding most certainly - but not in breeding. And yes - there is certainly a difference between inbred and line bred.
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: Grizz]
#6594363 - 02/21/07 06:15 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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 For responsible breeding.
I really don't see how someone can make the arguement that a breeder is more likely to provide you with a sick puppy than a shelter is. Sure, if you're going to some sort of awful puppy mill backyard breeder type place, but if you are, that's your own fault.
That being said, even though the dog that we got the most recently is sick, and we're shelling out a ton of money on vet bills, we love her. I wouldn't change what we did if I knew that she would be coming to us sick. I would rather her be here, with us, and loved and well cared for, than in some awful shelter, or worse, put to sleep like she was going to be.
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: Liz]
#6594418 - 02/21/07 06:27 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as adopting a sick animal, as long as it's not a terminal disease, I don't see a problem there. Our other dog is a Pitbull mix that came from a piss poor shelter that has since been closed down. He had a nice little head cold for the first week we had him but he got better, hasn't had an ailment since. He's much healthier than his akward little sister. The only real reason I see to go to a breeder is if you have a specific breed in mind and you want pick of the litter (so to speak).
By the way, in my area (Richmond, VA), the shelters have gone waaaayyy up in quality; appearance, staffing and overall conditions. The one closest to my house provides small, individual rooms for each dog with their own toys, decorations and plenty of room for you to go in and play with them (cats are still kept together). Each dog has a sheet on the door of the room providing any applicable known info. in the form of a short little bio. "My name's Rusty, I'm 3 y/o. I am good with cats but have never met a baby. I have short hair and I hardly shed at all...." crap like hat. Much better than a dirty shithole, that's way too crowded and staffed by people who could give a fuck less.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now thats is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: Liz]
#6594445 - 02/21/07 06:32 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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And I'm certainly not saying that it's more likely to get a sick puppy from a breeder. Far from...
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now thats is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: Brewmaster]
#6594466 - 02/21/07 06:38 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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The problem is that most diseases that can be picked up at shelters CAN be terminal, especially for puppies. Or at the very least, they cost a ton of money to cure, when you add up the cost of vet visits, medicines, etc. Add the vet costs to the adoption fee, and in a lot of cases you've spent more than you would on a purebred pet at a breeder.
Lots of shelters have begun showing cases of Parvo, Distemper, Canine Influenza, complicated kennel cough, and intestinal parasites.
Our little girl that we adopted Saturday came from a shelter in Tennessee - she has since been diagnosed with kennel cough (along with a nasty bacterial infection causing her fever to get up to 103.9), conjunctivitis, giardia, and roundworms.
None of those things are typically fatal diseases on their own, but when you put all of them together, you have 1 sick puppy on your hands. She's way underweight because the giardia and roundworms have kept her from being able to properly absorb nutrients, and she has an awful cough. We think she's getting better, but she's not out of the woods yet.
I agree that the shelters in yoru area sound quite nice, but that does not mean that disease cannot be spread quite easily through there. Parvo, giardia and parasites can be carried from room to room on people's clothes or shoes, and kennel cough is airborne. Unless each one of these rooms has it's own separate ventilation system, it's very easy to spread things like wildfire in that environment, especially with so many dogs being dropped off with unknown backgrounds.
Like I said, I'm not really biased either way. There is a lot to be said for adopting and saving a life instead of buying from a breeder. There is also a lot to be said for the quality of dog you get when you pay the extra money. 
Either way, Robot, didn't mean to de-rail your thread. I hope you find an awesome dog either way. If you need training tips, let me know!!
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Re: FUCK. I want a puppy. NOW. [Re: Brewmaster]
#6594472 - 02/21/07 06:39 PM (6 years, 2 months ago) |
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Brewmaster said:
And I'm certainly not saying that it's more likely to get a sick puppy from a breeder. Far from...
Then I am sorry that I misunderstood your post. I thought that is what you were trying to insinuate. My bad.
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you can always find people giving puppies away out here, but im in the midlands so im not sure about the big city... its an alternative to the pound and a breeder, also sometimes at pet stores people put fliers up for free puppies.
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