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 Re: The Threat Posed by Islam  [Re: Basilides]
#6419410 - 01/02/07 08:29 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is there some kind of moral difference between dictators and stateless actors?
Killing innocent people is wrong either way, whether carried out by the state, or by some group trying the undermind a state.
Because he can't make a point that way. It has to be beheadings, kidnappings and planes into buildings or it's not relevant. Which means all he sees is an angry muslim world trying to conquer his country. Which of course, is bullshit.
I guess that answers some of where his irrational comments come from. He is a true believer in his own lies. Scary. 
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: unbeliever]
#6419554 - 01/02/07 09:05 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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We were discussing the threat posed by Islam, not the number of muslims who have participated in terrorism.
Just what is it you think "Islam" is exactly?
Yes, Islam is the people. But just because someone hasn't carried out a terrorist act doesn't mean they aren't a threat. Islam is a threat because of the hundreds of millions who either explicitly or implicitly support terrorism, whether or not they actually participate.
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Have you ever studied Islam? If you have you'll find that it's much like Christianity in regards to it's schizofrenic teachings. In the bible you have the old testament where there is no lack of murder, genocide, political revolution, extremism and all sorts of other crap. Some of it is used to illustrate what not to do, some of it is left pretty ambiguous. The old testament god is a half-step from being a psychopath. Then along comes Jesus with his teachings of peace, love and vaginas. Er, happiness.
Yes, but not religiously. It really doesn't matter that 99% (or whatever percent) is peaceful. The problem is with the parts that advocate, even demand, violence. Those parts are there, and they are very straightforward.
The bible has some of that in it too. The difference is that its adherents don't see it as their christian duty to kill all who work on sunday (or whatever) as the bible demands. Islam is different in that its adherents also follow a straightforward interpretation of the violent parts.
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The religious texts of Islam are very similar. You can hand pick any number of positive or negative things from it. What's truly relevant however is how the followers behave. And guess what, 99% of muslims and christians seem to have no problem with living peacefully. I don't personally agree with that mentality of glossing over the negative parts of your religion, I don't like keeping my head in the sand (or too high in the clouds either). But hey, at least those 99% aren't hurting anyone. This of course is in terms of extremism, violence & etc. There are still plenty of people in those populations that are assholes, wife beaters and all that.
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Judge"You went all of last year year and only killed 3 people. That means you were 99% peaceful. I guess I'll let you go."
It is far more than 1 in 100 muslims that beat their wives. I've studied enough of Islam to know that Wife beating is advocated (some say required) by the Koran.
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Wrong. The war on drugs was started by the power-tripping assholes who needed further means to quell what they saw as a threat to their power base and establish a stable platform from which to oppress their political enemies of the time. Hippy drug users were, like religion, another prop. Another excuse by those in power to further sink their claws in.
You saying I'm wrong doesn't make it so. That sounds like typical anti-establishment counter-culture naivete.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs
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The term itself, however, was coined in 1971 by Richard Nixon to describe a new set of initiatives designed to enhance drug prohibition.
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Nixon's modern-day War on Drugs began in 1969. He characterized the abuse of illicit substances as "America's public enemy number one." In an attempt to make good on his campaign promise to be tough on crime, the Nixon administration created and pushed through the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) of 1970. This legislation is the foundation on which the modern drug war exists. Responsibility for enforcement of this new law was given to the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs, and then in 1973 to the newly formed Drug Enforcement Administration.
The fact is that the hippie movement of the time was what the single biggest factor in motivating this crackdown. Maybe you don't think there was anything wrong with having a large portion of your college population hating your country and spitting on soldiers and (morally) supporting the country you're at war with.
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Amazing. You equate "bible-thumping nascar zombies" with a terrorist cell? Do you have no sense of proportion? Can you not see the difference between someone who has a strong (if misguided) point of view, and someone who actively plots the murder of innocents?
Different threats from different directions, using different tactics. However, both are aimed at destroying what used to be a free and just country. Pick your poison: the sword in the gut or the cancer in the heart.
The bible-thumping nascar zombies may be a lot of things, but they are not aimed at destroying our country. Moreover, you equated them with the threat posed by the terrorists. What's with this perplexing unwillingness to be judgemental toward extraordinarily bad people, yet willing to be overly harsh with our friends?
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I feel that we should ALWAYS question those in power, especially those in power over us. I fail to see any problem with (justly) criticizing the US government. I also fail to see where anyone is excusing the behavior of people blowing up buildings, etc.
But you went beyond criticizing our government. You equated patriotic nascar fans with foreign terrorists, saying they might even be worse. There is a consistent tone of blaming America instead of the terrorists, straining to find any fault at home to avoid finding fault in the true threat of Islam. Except for the hippies, where you strain to avoid seeing how their actions led to today's war on drugs (I suspect because you, at some level, see the US Government as the enemy, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend).
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: unbeliever]
#6419588 - 01/02/07 09:12 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is there some kind of moral difference between dictators and stateless actors?
Killing innocent people is wrong either way, whether carried out by the state, or by some group trying the undermind a state.
Because he can't make a point that way. It has to be beheadings, kidnappings and planes into buildings or it's not relevant. Which means all he sees is an angry muslim world trying to conquer his country. Which of course, is bullshit.
I guess that answers some of where his irrational comments come from. He is a true believer in his own lies. Scary.
If you don't (or won't) even understand the difference between terrorism and dictators, there's nowhere else this discussion can go.
God I feel like I'm trying to explain santa claus to a four-year-old.
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: pokermush]
#6419600 - 01/02/07 09:15 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only difference is that terrorists haven't become dictators yet.
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: pokermush]
#6419624 - 01/02/07 09:21 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why is there some kind of moral difference between dictators and stateless actors?
Killing innocent people is wrong either way, whether carried out by the state, or by some group trying the undermind a state.
Because he can't make a point that way. It has to be beheadings, kidnappings and planes into buildings or it's not relevant. Which means all he sees is an angry muslim world trying to conquer his country. Which of course, is bullshit.
I guess that answers some of where his irrational comments come from. He is a true believer in his own lies. Scary.
If you don't (or won't) even understand the difference between terrorism and dictators, there's nowhere else this discussion can go.
God I feel like I'm trying to explain santa claus to a four-year-old.
Can we not have a civilized conversation without making snide personal comments towards people? People might take opinions a little more seriously and give them a little more thought if we all were not so confrontational.
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: Basilides]
#6419641 - 01/02/07 09:24 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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How can you gain liberty by destroying its foundations? The more you take the more you lose if you take away five apples from ten you are left with five apples. No matter how juicy and good they are, you are still without those apples.
Islam is no bigger a threat that it has ever been. In my opinion all religion poses a threat, because it has the potential within many religious teachings to promote violence and intolerance. Whether or not the problem is Islam we might as well realize that our own religion could possibly promote the same views, but by chance they are not as radical in the time you have had experience with them. What we need to realize is that we cannot really limit the power of religion by taking away liberties of our citizens, but instead we ought to educate them, and have concern as well for their economic status.
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: pokermush]
#6419688 - 01/02/07 09:35 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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These quote tags are getting way too long, heh. I'm going to try to cut it down and combine some of the tangents together, so bear with me.
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Yes, Islam is the people. But just because someone hasn't carried out a terrorist act doesn't mean they aren't a threat. Islam is a threat because of the hundreds of millions who either explicitly or implicitly support terrorism, whether or not they actually participate.
Yes, but not religiously. It really doesn't matter that 99% (or whatever percent) is peaceful. The problem is with the parts that advocate, even demand, violence. Those parts are there, and they are very straightforward.
It is far more than 1 in 100 muslims that beat their wives. I've studied enough of Islam to know that Wife beating is advocated (some say required) by the Koran.
Just...wow. That you honestly believe that, indicates a serious flaw in your ability to cogitate the reality of the situation. What I mean to say is that if you really believe that at any time any random muslim will rise up in violence, you may want to up the dosage on your anti-psychotic meds. Muslims are no more apt to suddenly start killing people than any other group of people. The people that behave that way are already inherently violent and unstable individuals.
Take the violent beatings and killings of arabic citizens here in the US that popped up since 9/11. There was a fellow gunned down at a gas station by some crazy redneck, (and this happened not too far from where I was living at the time). There were a huge number of similar incidents. Why? Do all americans recieve some special indoctrination to rise up and kill the infidel invaders? No, they don't. These people are fucking crazy.
I will admit that sometimes these people (the crazies on either side) are set off by an outside influence. Whether it's some other crazy spouting off obscure religious passages at them or whether it's a bunch of jingoistic fear-mongering that does the trick, there is no inherent difference between the two. People most definitely can be incited to do terrible, terrible things. But this phenomenon is in no way unique to Islam or any other group of people. Period.
As to the specifics of Islam including the crusade type mentality against the "infidel", that is an unfortunate corrupting of the message, over time. For example, at one point in the religion of Islam, women had a place of respect and equal footing (in business and society). Times have changed, and it's because people in power (or seeking power) twisted the religion to their benefit. The same has been done with Christianity as well. The end result is that you have these extremist muslims who are using the "die, infidel, die" fragments of Islam in order to justify (to the public) their actions and in order to gain sway over the local public (and thereby increase their wealth and power).
As to the wife beating, that is, unfortunately, more a reflection of middle eastern culture and less the religion (though it's been changed to suit those ends). As I mentioned in the previous paragraph, this is a result of the patriarchal society perpetuating itself by maintaining a position of absolute power and dominance.
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Stuff about the hippies
Blaming the victims (of the war on drugs) is not rational. Period.
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stuff about nascar zombies, patriotism, etc (ie, the rest of the post)
I admit I am a very, very harsh critic of the government. And I see nothing wrong with this. They should be taken to task for every mistake, every wrong doing and every bit of corruption. Why? Because when you are dealing with the failings of a beast as large as the US Government, the reprecussions are enormous and the damage potential almost unlimited.
In regards to the nascar fans, that description was hyperbole, I admit. It was an easy label to lay on what I consider to be one of the problems in this country. At best it was a loose label, covering some of the wrong folks and not covering some of the worst. What I'm talking about is the injection of fundamentalist religion into our government. You should be behind me on this, after all it's this combination of government, religion and power that has spawned so many of these dangerous countries you're so afraid of.
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: Basilides]
#6419706 - 01/02/07 09:39 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only difference is that terrorists haven't become dictators yet.
Exactly.
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: pokermush]
#6419897 - 01/02/07 10:33 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow. It is beyond ignorant to say that "Islamic terrorism stems from political reasons, not religious reasons". You blame America (through the thinly-veiled "political reasons") and give Islam a pass.
You need to take a chill pill. If you don't agree with what I was arguing, fine. Argue back, but please do so like an adult. You're telling me that I hate America because I refuse to lump an entire religon conveniently into America's enemy? Do you swallow Dubya's bullshit warm or slurp it down cold? Because it is spewing forth from your mouth in odorous torrents. I am a patriot, my friend. I don't oppose America. Last time I checked hatred of Islam is not a pre-requisite for being a citizen
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One has to wonder if its the drugs that make people think that way, or people who think this way are naturally attracted to drugs. Either way, it is precisely because of drugged out hippies who hate their country and love its enemies that pot and shrooms are illegal.
One has to wonder if you even bother to read what you write before posting it. But this is off topic, so I will just point out that if you don't want to debate with people who use mushrooms, go somewhere else.
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So far the conclusions of intelligence analysts assigned to the project, who include both private contractors and career military officials, contradict the commonly held notion that Islam is a peaceful religion hijacked or distorted by terrorists. They've found that the terrorists for the most part are following a war-fighting doctrine articulated through Muhammad in the Quran, elaborated on in the hadiths, codified in Islamic or sharia law, and reinforced by recent interpretations or fatwahs.
This citing doesn't impress me. I'm going to listen to Washington intelligence when it comes to matters of religon? Please. Just because you found a journalist who you agree with doesn't make your argument any more reasonable.
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Ummmm... we have specifically avoided fighting Islam in any way, pretending that it's just a political problem. You are advocating that we do exactly as we've been doing: pretend Islam is not the threat!
Islam is not a threat. Islam is a religon. Iran is a threat. Iran is a nation with a government that supports Islamic fundamentalism.
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Were there no Koran, there would still be terrorist groups similar to Al-Qaeda fighting Western control, they would just be waving a different banner.
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Can you point me to that rabid group of athiest terrorists who have been flying planes into buildings and blowing up buses full of little children? Or even kidnapping political prisoners and beheading them for the camera? Didn't think so.
Sure I can. The Irish Republican Army. Timothy McVey. The Whackos at Waco. You honestly think atheists aren't capable of terrorism?
But here, I'll make it easy for you and bring the argument full circle and concede a point that yes most terrorist acts today are carried out by Islamic fundamentalists. But the very simple fact remains that most muslims are peaceful. I don't know how to say that without being called a traitor. But its true. Most Christians, most muslims, most jews, just like most people in general are not violent and certainly aren't terrorists. Islam has existed for a long time. It has had a bloody history, but no more or less so than any other religon.
Religon is a reality of human nature. People have spiritual beliefs. You may put yours into an atheistic framework but can you even really say that atheism isn't a form of religon? Religon, being so closely linked to the way most people on the earth live their lives, mirrors human nature. Religon is capable of moments of peace and insight. Religon is capable of being the instigator some of the most awful and long wars and atrocities history has ever seen.
I am not an apologist for war-mongering terrorists in the middle east. In that sense you are wrong. But to blame the nature of what is going on there is throwing the baby out with the bath water. It is also a misunderstanding of the causes of terrorism. You honestly think that there are no social or political causes at the root of terrorism? That is just bogus. Iran as a nation, like North Korea, or the Communist bloc during the cold war, exist in opposition to the US, and this is not based on even primarily religious reasons. They aren't interested in Democracy, making the world safe for democracy, or promoting the progress of global capitalism. They are fighting against these things. I don't support them. But I don't blame Islam for that. I have muslim friends who aren't different than my christian friends. It is as simple as that.
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: zappaisgod]
#6419921 - 01/02/07 10:39 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can you point me to that rabid group of athiest terrorists who have been flying planes into buildings and blowing up buses full of little children? Or even kidnapping political prisoners and beheading them for the camera? Didn't think so.
I can name a few who have done far worse...Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong for example.
As an unbeliever, you can no doubt point out to us the sacred atheist text handed down from on high that they used to justify their murders.
This is precisely the point I was trying to make. You can abuse religon to justify atrocity, or you can use some other bullshit that you make up. You can have atrocity with religon, or you can have atrocity without it. It therefore should follow that religon is not to blame.
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: gluke bastid]
#6419944 - 01/02/07 10:47 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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you would think otherwise if a muslim killed a loved one of yours dont you think?
oh thats right,youre god and everyone knows you know all...sorry for having the audacity to reply in this holy thread god
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: pluremo]
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you would think otherwise if a muslim killed a loved one of yours dont you think?
If a christian killed a loved one of yours would you hate christians? If an insurance salesman killed a loved one of yours would you hate insurance salesmen? If a 12 year old killed a loved one of yours etc. etc.
I am able to differentiate between muslims who are murderers and muslims who are peaceful. It's SIMPLE TRY IT AT HOME PLEASE
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oh thats right,youre god and everyone knows you know all...sorry for having the audacity to reply in this holy thread god
 
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: gluke bastid]
#6419976 - 01/02/07 10:57 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sure I can. The Irish Republican Army. Timothy McVey. The Whackos at Waco.
None of those were atheists. However, these guys were:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Brigades
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shining_Path
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge
Of course, these are only organizations that are explicitly atheist. There are, of course, other terrorist organizations which have nothing to do with religion, and may contain atheists as well as religious people:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Liberation_Front
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: gluke bastid]
#6419977 - 01/02/07 10:57 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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Religion is nothing more than ideology, and bad ideology is the cause of more human suffering than all other causes combined.
The thing is, some religions are relatively benign when it comes to fucking around with other people. Buddhism springs immediately to mind, though I am sure there are countless others which would qualify. On the other hand, other religions are not benign at all, but malign. The religion followed by the Aztecs is one example of a malignant religion, Islam is another.
The fact of the matter is that Islam has its roots in war and conquest, and the Qu'ran is pretty explicit about the duty of its adherents to subjugate -- by the sword if necessary -- infidels.
The reason you don't see more Islamic atrocities is not because the Qu'ran doesn't call for them, but because the majority of Muslims are as lax in observing the requirements of their chosen faith as are the majority of Jews in observing theirs, or Catholics or Mormons and probably even Buddhists.
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: gluke bastid]
#6419988 - 01/02/07 11:01 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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to answer your question yes,if he was christian id hate and kill him and it'd be just another murder but if it was a muslim and i killed him it wouldnt just be revengeful murder,it'd be a racist hatecrime
we see the difference from our point of view,why dont you muslims?
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: pokermush]
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We were discussing the threat posed by Islam, not the number of muslims who have participated in terrorism.
The two seem related to me. If you wanted to assess the threat of people driving while drunk, wouldn't you look at the number of drunk drivers who cause accidents?
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For some people, violence is their solution to everything. And some of those people use religion as the means and the justification.
And when it comes to Islam, that is what the religion teaches, and that is why it is so much of a threat.
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I agree that religion is pretty irrational and certainly Islam and Christianity both have a lot of flaws. Personally I consider myself an atheist with an open mind but also a certain amount of apathy towards any concrete "truth" to the universe. I'll worry about that after I die, right now I'm busy living in this world.
And because of your beliefs, Islam demands your death.
IBID. Islam does not demand the death of non-believers.
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You are twisting and inflaming my words. I never said (or implied) that someone needed to be rabidly nationalistic, you are just injecting those words in an attempt to prejudice the reader against any sympathy towards my point of view.
There is more to the political spectrum than Pat Robertson and John Kerry. Most Americans, and even posters on this board, are neither hippie scum nor rabidly anything. However, drug users (including me and my shrooms) are still haunted by the hippie scum stereotype.
I also didn't say the poster was one of those who "hate their country and love its enemies".
Bull. That is what you said. You said I blame America (I assume in response to 9/11 but I don't know because your reaction was hasty and vague) and apologize for the attackers. Which I never even came close to saying, if you read my original post I make it very clear that I am oppossed to Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism, I was just making the differentiation between them and Islam as a whole. And then you labelled me as a hippie, so maybe you could repeat then who exactly is Quote:
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What I can't figure out is this latent desire to excuse our enemies and criticize our friends.
Islam is not the enemy. It is a religon with multiple interpretations and manifestations.
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 Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: Phred]
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Islam: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Gallery/2.htm
"Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." - Omar Ahmad Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: Diploid]
#6420043 - 01/02/07 11:15 PM (6 years, 4 months ago) |
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sounds like a war cry to me
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: pluremo]
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sounds like a war cry to me
Sounds like typical Us Against Them nonsense, and this guy hardly has a lock on it.
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Re: The Threat Posed by Islam [Re: pluremo]
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How is that any more inflammatory than Christians wanting to spread the word of Christianity to indigenous cultures that believe in "pagan" gods? I don't see where there's a threat in that quote anywhere. Its quite a stretch to believe that the dominance of Christianity in this country could ever be replaced with Islam. I doubt we'll see any presidents sworn in with their hand on the Koran any time soon. In my opinion, Christian dogma is just as misguided and ridiculous as Islamic dogma, and both are an equal blight on America.
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