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 Sunny
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 LSA FAQ and recipes... 
#6283279 - 11/14/06 07:10 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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OK. Because a people come in here all the time and ask questions about this stuff, I decided to put together a forum FAQ. This isn't it, but this is where everyone can post what they *know* about LSA. After there is sufficient data in this thread, I will compile it into a comprehensive document, and post it. Hopefully it will be stickied. Let's start with some different methods of preparation, and of course, what can and can't be mixed with LSA.
Some basics that I know about LSA prep:
-Chlorine is a big enemy of Lysergides(?), as stated by shulgin in Tihkal, since LSD is active at microgram concentrations, all it takes is a microgram concentration of chlorine to neutralize your extraction. Always use pure, distilled water.
-Heat will neutralize the alkaloid. This has been confirmed through various trip reports, and is also a clear hand me down practice from LSD synthesis procedures.
-The three known sources of LSA are as follows:
Ololuqiu (Rivea Corymbosa)
Hawaiian Baby Wood Rose (A. Nervosa)
Morning Glory (Ipomea Tricolor, Alba etc...)
-Indian strains of HBWR are known to be either very weak in alkaloid content, or simply inactive. However, Hawaiian Strains are the most potent source of LSA known.
-Cold Tea Method-
1. grind your seeds down to a fine powder, use either a coffee grinder, or a pestle and mortar.
2. Using a sealable container, mix your seeds and several cups of water (2 1/2 - 3 cups)
3. Let the mixture stand in the fridge for several hours, mixing occasionally.
4. Using a fine mesh filter, and a steady handy, strain the remaining powder out.
5. drink up!
Alright, so thats some real basic simple stuff. I know there are a few different LSAhuasca's around and of course a few other methods of preparation which don't involve imbibing a rotten tasting fluid. So let's put them out there.
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: Sunny]
#6283847 - 11/14/06 10:16 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grind seeds in coffee grinder.
Soak for a day in naptha (say 5-10ml per gram of seeds). Discard naptha. Repeat twice. Spread seed mush out and let dry COMPLETELY (until no naptha smell, may take 24 hours or more).
Soak seed mush for a day in alcohol (methanol, ethanol, or 90+% rubbing). Pour alcohol into bowl to evaporate. Repeat twice, combining alcohol from each extraction. Discard seed mush. Let alcohol dry until gone, about 2 days.
Result is a yellow to brown taffy-like substance that has little taste and is easily swallowed. Medium dose less than a gram, even when using morning glory seeds.
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Some of the stuff you use for extractions is extremely flammable--as in, turn off your cell phone and everything else because the vapors are explosive. Also it's extremely nasty to your skin...wear thick industrial gloves.
Personally I say skip extractions for the above reasons. It's a hell of a lot of work with some fairly dangerous stuff and the payoff is small, imho.
Rivea corymbosa has the best alkaloid to yucky toxins ratio.
Always remove the outer layer (brown stuff) of HBWR.
Lots of people get very tight-feeling muscles esp. hamstrings & calves when doing LSA. It's from the other stuff in the seeds, not the LSA itself.
LSA levels vary wildly from seed to seed, regardless of the source. Can be large variations in seeds from the same flower. For this reason some people prefer MGs because you wind up using a shitload of them; tends to smooth out the variation from seed to seed.
The other nice thing about MGs is that you can buy them at Home Depot.  Just go to the checkout with the obvious non-english-speaking checkout clerk.
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: Sunny]
#6286089 - 11/15/06 03:10 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Another method i didn't know about was the white wine method, basically the same as the cold tea method, but using white wine instead. Has anybody experimented with Syrian Rue and LSA? I remember a couple posts about the mixes, but never heard a trip report about it, or any solid #'s for that matter.
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: Sunny]
#6286215 - 11/15/06 03:48 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here is a tek i would advise. Having tried many techniques trying to rid the cramping/naeusea narcotic feeling it can create with many failures i never broke through on LSA but did indeed did get rid of unwanted bodily senstaions. In about a week imma do this tek and try again. I found this on my countless hours searching for the best technique.
Ob1AM
thats what i call it
no nausea, no heaviness
just the trip
simplified-
needed- 1 bottle carbonated OZONEated spring water.
- 1 concentrated lemon juice
- seeds (700 ololiuqui)
grind seeds fine fine
pour in COLD spring water
little bit enough to wet and bubble
stir add more stir add more etc.
the idea is to keep the bubbling action going as long as possible (carbonation)
it may take 1/2 hour to fill the glass
the globules of fat will be scrubbed from the seed powder and rise with the bubbles.
scoop them off the top with a spoon
that should get rid of most of the nausea
you should get a couple of tespooons of fatty globules, if not it may be too thick or syropy gooey whatever to free the globles, try adding more spring water
anyway
when the cold water globules float and are removed take the glass of water and seed mush and put it in a jar or something with hot water in it- do not mix the two but let the water&seed mush heat up to slightly warmer than 80f 27c this will cause the drink to foam
foam like a beer head
this may also bring up another bunch of globules so if its not too hot they can also be scooped off the top (another tspoon full)
now the globs are gone
the gas (don't breathe) is gone
stir, add lemon juice squeeze plastic bottle of juice into drink until milkish colour forms (maybe an ounce) stir again let sit for as long as you want 10 minutes works but its cloudy let it sit for 1,2 hours and it will clear up.
pour the juice off of the seed mush
throw seed mush away and the juice (lemonaide) is Ob1AM
i repeat no sickness
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ReoSpeedwagon153
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: dmthead420]
#6286283 - 11/15/06 04:20 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I grind the seeds (heavenly blue morning glories, always) in a coffee grinder for a minute, then sift them through a tea ball. I mix the resulting powder with juice and drink it.
Usually 2 grams of powder is roughly a good dose. Last time though, I used a new coffee grinder, and ended up with a much more potent powder. I took 2 grams and got kind of sick, but tripped pretty hard. I wish I would have taken only 1.5 or so.
I have found that synergy is extremely important with morning glories. They work well with other plants. Even tobacco and cannabis make a big difference.
I have taken rue and morning glories several times. I have always found a great synergy between them. Rue seems to enhance the elusive, but pretty interesting, visuals. It also adds a lot to the intensity and relevance of the trip, but I don't think you could ever fully "break through." Of course, rue puts a little bit more onto the body load.
I always cut my morning glory dose exactly in half when taking rue, though I don't quite remember the figures because I had always taken rue with the tea, and have not tried it with my new found dry method. So whatever dosage works with you, take about half of that when taking a full dose of rue. You don't want to have a morning glory overdose, I remember that being very uncomfortable and not all that psychedelic.
They also combine well with san pedro, though I have only tried this once. It was a very interesting, visual trip. It was impossible to tell which plant was of more influence in the experience. The two other people with me reported similar things.
I would like to try them added to ayahuasca sometime. I'm sure they would be very helpful.
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: dmthead420]
#6286488 - 11/15/06 05:44 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thats very clever method of extraction. I've always suspected that the "toxins" in Ipomoea seeds were really just soapy fats.
The next time i trip i think I might mix some of that emergen'C stuff with it. 1gram of vit. C, i would think that would bring out some potency and make the trip more immersive
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Quote:
ReoSpeedwagon153 said:
I grind the seeds (heavenly blue morning glories, always) in a coffee grinder for a minute, then sift them through a tea ball. I mix the resulting powder with juice and drink it.
Usually 2 grams of powder is roughly a good dose. Last time though, I used a new coffee grinder, and ended up with a much more potent powder. I took 2 grams and got kind of sick, but tripped pretty hard. I wish I would have taken only 1.5 or so.
Really this little with morning glory seeds? 2 grams is only about 60 seeds. Now 2 grams of HBWR would be a lot more....
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: Sunny]
#6288887 - 11/16/06 11:16 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Bump.
Also, "ghana" strains are generally non-active.
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2 grams of the powder after it has been sifted. It's a rough extraction, but a lot more potent.
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: Sunny]
#6297459 - 11/18/06 06:54 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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bump.
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: Sunny]
#6302773 - 11/20/06 03:27 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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bump.
No, you can't smoke LSA, look at the top of this thread.
Also, LSA itself does not make you sick, we discussed this earlier. The chemicals that make you sick are actually the fatty globules that comprise the seed meal. Too much LSA is supected to cause a form of Ergot poisoning, though the dosages are most likely very high, and require repetitous daily use.
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: Sunny]
#6327835 - 12/02/06 06:20 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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bump. back from the dead.
what else is in the collective conscience about LSA?
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: Sunny]
#6329692 - 12/03/06 10:09 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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How about some History.....
- The discovery of lysergic acid amides (LSA) in ololiuhqui (Rivea corymbosa) was first presented by Hofmann at the Natural Products Congress of the International Union for Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) in Sydney, Australia, in the fall of 1960LSD - My Problem Child, Albert Hofmann, 1983 p. 125 - The discovery was subsequently presented in the following 2 papers:
Hofmann, A. , and Tscherter, H. , Experientia, 16, 414 (1960)
Hofmann, A. , Planta, 9, 354 (1961)
Edited by moecat (12/03/06 10:48 AM)
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: moecat]
#6329787 - 12/03/06 11:28 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ive tripped twice on it first time 8 seeds nothing just a strange feeling of my body i couldn't understand how it was arranged i felt like a Picasso painting.. my sense of touch conflicted with my sense of sight - nausea no trip
next time 14 seeds.. WOW strong trip.. Ive posted about it already i mixed the seeds with this candy which was perfect because it was sticky sweet had the same texture didn't taste bad... but boy was i in for a surprise death and rebirth Ive heard about it but i never knew how real it actually was.. it was a truly very spiritual, very visual, very psychedelic trip.. i cant believe People dismiss it as just a way to get sick, i would classify to be at the same ranking as LSD or mushrooms.. well yea very intense trip but something that you don't want to do right away i was thinking if there was a tea i could make utilizing the seeds maybe add some honey other herbs so i can barely even Tell the seeds are in there.. so if anyone has any recipes for a kind of tea or ideas post the they will be highly appreciated.. thanks in advance and fuck off in advance if you're no help 
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: leafing]
#6329791 - 12/03/06 11:30 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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KANIZ:
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Well, I'd be inclined to think that making a tea with them would destroy the LSA, rendering the brew rather useless.
What I did when I took HBWR, was ground them up in a coffee grinder, soaked them in some white wine for 24 hours, then chugged it back in 1 shot.
But yeah, HBWR can be mighty damn intense at higher doses, my dose was 17 seeds, and I rank it up there with one of my most intense trips.
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: leafing]
#6329792 - 12/03/06 11:31 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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why white wine??
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: leafing]
#6329794 - 12/03/06 11:34 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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On a different forum people were reporting that white whine helped kill the nausea, so I decided to give it a shot. Other people were doing it with smaller doses (4-5 seeds), and reported no nausea.
I ended up doing 17, and ended up feeling sick as all hell (all in all, was still a VERY worth while trip, but I vomited sooooo much).
However, I forget if they filtered the plant material out of the wine before drinking it, I just decided to drink the whole thing (plant matter and all). Either way, it proved to be a quick way to get the seeds down and not really worrying about taste/texture/whatever.
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: kaniz]
#6329798 - 12/03/06 11:36 AM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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what temperature would the lsa be destroyed at?? is it around the same temp. than the temp. of a tea or coffee
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Re: LSA FAQ and recipes... [Re: leafing]
#6329836 - 12/03/06 12:00 PM (6 years, 5 months ago) |
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Definitions:
- LSA Generally means the active principles based on lysergic acid found as natural products in plants such as morning glory. Often used for the chemical compound D-lysergic acid amide.
Edited by moecat (12/03/06 12:07 PM)
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