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 Re: Need help with identification  [Re: Cerius]
#6235144 - 11/01/06 03:40 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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ive had a lousy 15 liberty caps in tea and still felt a small effect so perhaps those mushrooms you found are not liberty caps
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Re: Need help with identification [Re: richard420]
#6235176 - 11/01/06 03:49 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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As always, saftey first! I've already decided to throw out any remaining mushrooms and I'll be extra picky when picking mushrooms next time.
And I only discovered this amaizing site after I had gone last time, so I'll keep in mind all thing things I've learned after browsing this site and print off a few pictures of guarnteed liberty caps from this site.
And for those of you saying they probably weren't liberty caps, I know your just looking out for my health and what not, but I can guarantee that most (yes, not all, thanks for pointing that out) of them have got to be since this spot is known as "shroomy hill" and it's the spot to go to pick them....
Edited by Ghost080 (11/01/06 03:50 PM)
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Re: Need help with identification [Re: Ghost080]
#6235213 - 11/01/06 04:03 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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but I can guarantee that most (yes, not all, thanks for pointing that out) of them have got to be since this spot is known as "shroomy hill" and it's the spot to go to pick them...
do you know what an inductive fallacy is?
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Re: Need help with identification [Re: Ghost080]
#6235447 - 11/01/06 05:14 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Then again, if the potency has somehow increased dramaticly and we all ate 100.... we'll be in trouble (though we have all had acid so it wont be our first psycodelic trip or anything).
thats kind of wot i was thinking.
but u wouldnt be in trouble as such, 100 libs aint gonna kill ya!
just strap yourself in and enjoy the ride! 
150 is most i and a friend ever ate in one go... actually we were told there were 100, we had some more packages and counted them out after, only to discover our friend had stitched us up (not complaining though)
needless to say it completely kicked our faces in, strongest trip of my life by a long way!
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Re: Need help with identification [Re: canid]
#6235450 - 11/01/06 05:15 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Never heard that term but I know a fallacy is something which has been proven to be false but is still believed by many people.... and inductive relates to inducing....
So your saying that this spot isn't actually a place to pick magic mushrooms but that many people beleve it is because of stories and rumours and what not....?
If that's what your getting at then I cna see why you'd think that but I can't stress enough that I personally know people who've gone there, picked these mushrooms and gotten high... and there were people picking them while we were there... and they 100% appear to be of the Psilocybe semilanceata variety...
But I guess it's possible that my friends lie, the people there when we were there are liars and that they're indentical liberty cap wanna bees.... and I'm not a very lucky guy so I guess it's not toally crazy to think that all those odds are stacked against me.
Edited by Ghost080 (11/01/06 05:18 PM)
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Re: Need help with identification [Re: Ghost080]
#6235458 - 11/01/06 05:18 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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this spot is known as "shroomy hill" and it's the spot to go to pick them....
really its not a good sign that its known as "shroomy hill"
...that just means everyone knows about it 
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Re: Need help with identification [Re: Ghost080]
#6235471 - 11/01/06 05:20 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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and there were people picking them while we were there...
thats a worse sign... lol
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Re: Need help with identification [Re: Ghost080]
#6235510 - 11/01/06 05:30 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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what i'm saying is this:
the reasoning behind that statement goes:
the place is known for it's semilanceata, therefore sample 'a' [another person's collection] contains P. semilanceata.
sample 'b' [your collection] was collected at the same place, therefore sample 'b' is P. semilanceata.
while this is as likely a scenario as any other, it can not be deduced based on the above premise.
i still maintain that your mushrooms are as likely to be anomylous P. semilanceata as they are to be an unknown inactive Psilocybe but both are still possibilities. unless you where to compare the collections' to every feature key to that species there is no certainty. both are unlikely but one is probably true. that's deductive reasoning's take anyway.
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the sating mushrooms; spring's delight, as gifts from figures of the night.
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nah, not that many people really know about it, and it's not officially called Shroomy Hill, it's just a nick name. A fair number of people know there is a place but don't really know where exactly it is, or like most, aren't remotely interested in picking anything. Most people are too scared an angry farmer with a gun will try to shoot them (...no joke) or that they'll end up poisioning themselves. There's also a myth that there's an electric fence surrounding the place, which a surprisingly high number of people believe. But that's just a story made up by people who want to keep the field relativly unpopulated.
ah, alright. That makes more sense. I suppose your right, there is a chance they're just inactive but 1 or 2 more shots at getting the right ones isn't gonna kill me (at least, not if I'm careful!). And time is running out for the season here so the least I can do is try! I can't give up after all the research and work I've put into this.
PS. Holy cow, uarewotueat! I was just looking at the thread with all those pictures of your liberty cap finds. You're one lucky guy. You'll have to send me a few if I don't have any luck with mine! 
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 Re: Need help with identification [Re: Ghost080]
#6235616 - 11/01/06 06:05 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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For next time, do this:
1) Check for a membranous skin-like layer on the cap, it should be able to "peel" off when wet/moist.
2) Get spore-prints of at least 5 caps that you find. Make sure they all match up to what Liberty Caps color should look like.
3) Check for blue bruising at the bases, right on the white mycelium is where you'll find it.
4) Get some better pictures! Try to find a camera with a macro mode (marked as a Flower Symbol on the camera) to get some good up-close pictures.
Lastly, where abouts do you live? I haven't seen any location where you're at, dont give city, but, just the region.
Good luck.
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Re: Need help with identification [Re: Ghost080]
#6235617 - 11/01/06 06:05 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Most people are too scared an angry farmer with a gun will try to shoot them (...no joke) or that they'll end up poisioning themselves. There's also a myth that there's an electric fence surrounding the place, which a surprisingly high number of people believe. But that's just a story made up by people who want to keep the field relativly unpopulated.
heheh the myths people create to put people off make me laugh
dunno why people are so scared of farmers, so long as people dont damage anything or leave litter lying around they are usually cool... well i got permission to pick my spots anyway, so farmers cant be all that bad...? lol
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PS. Holy cow, uarewotueat! I was just looking at the thread with all those pictures of your liberty cap finds. You're one lucky guy. You'll have to send me a few if I don't have any luck with mine!
hehe not lucky, just persistent...
ive done 50 hours of picking during october... im knackered
may have one or two more treks after this cold snap has passed but otherwise ive had enough for one year, time for me (and my victims) to enjoy the harvest 
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heheh the myths people create to put people off make me laugh
dunno why people are so scared of farmers, so long as people dont damage anything or leave litter lying around they are usually cool... well i got permission to pick my spots anyway, so farmers cant be all that bad...? lol
It might be this way in the UK what with the right to roam law but farmers in the States can shoot you in the ass if your trespassing on their property! 
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Re: Need help with identification [Re: Amatoxin]
#6235719 - 11/01/06 06:37 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just noticed my camera does have a macro-focus feature. I'll be sure to use that next time, thanks for the tip, and all the other pointers, I'll keep them in mind.
And, since you asked. I'm in Newfoundland, the island on the East coast of Canada (a very friendly spot where people don't tend to shoot other people... even if they are crazy farmers).
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