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 yageman
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 Re: What Happened to LSD  [Re: CHURCHbuds]
#6180248 - 10/17/06 10:08 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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First of all music can cause spiritual awakening its self. LSd can help to fascilitate that at a show.
Im talking about truth, logic, not just a feeling, not just another drug. Music is not just sound and if you dont realize that then Im not talking to you right now.
I prefer to not take hallucinogens at music shows, thats just my thing and it doesnt matter if im watching phish, or herbie hancock. Which are both ideal types of music for tripping.
Thehandtruck knows exactly what he is talking about. Just try to put what he says into the right context and stop getting so offended.
I too am sick of people eating acid for a few laughs and a "high". That just doesnt interest me and I do think its a waist. It is just another way to experience the "drug" though, so it doesnt bother me much.
Hallucinogens can just be a toy. Like a little red fire truck when you were 7 years old. Or they can be something other than a simple "drug".
They are not just a drug, and honestly, anyone who says they are dont know THE FIRST THING ABOUT THEM....................
You dont have to believe me though. It would do you some good to understand them. SOme people dont need to read any text about them to understand their significance. For some people, it would do them some good, and im sure of this.
If you have read extensively about hallucinogens and still dont get it, then try to have some faith and at the same time comprehend what you are reading.
For example, anyone who says ayahuasca is just another drug is on my shit list. The list that includes only ignorant hipster kids.
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (10/17/06 10:16 PM)
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 kaniz
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: yageman]
#6180347 - 10/17/06 10:28 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aya is one thing that I was actually holding off on taking untill I knew I could approach it with the respect it deserves. My first year with psychedelics was generally pure recreation in my intent, but I recgonized that Aya deserved more respect than "just getting fucked up".
Now that I'm treating psychs in with more respect (but I wont lie, I still enjoy doing mush and going dancing) -- Aya is something that I have a strong interest in doing soon, but at the same time it's still something that I need to be ready for.
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yageman
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: kaniz]
#6180419 - 10/17/06 10:45 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont dance often. I wish I could flail my limbs like that, act totally uninhibited even if I am aware of how I dance, or who I might be backfisting etc in the process. Its partly because im a musician(a very serious musician) who finds a place most comfortable with the music rather than the people that I am surrounded by(all dancing the night away).
Dancing is a great thing, I just wish my fractal memory could allow it more than staying within myself and bobbing my head like im playing the guitar or bass(thats what is true to me, and I cant help it). People just seem to have different centers. When listening to music that is my center.
It kind of works the same way with any given persons approach to hallucinogens.
Its a weird metaphore I know. It just hits home with me.
One day I will dance the night away like some total nut. Id love that. But after 180 trips I just have not found that to be interesting to me.
Id go nuts at a drum circle while on mushrooms. I know that that is the type of setting that would be conducive to me dancing like a naked inebriated indian.
I play for a while and then get it on with an almost tribal dance. Id probably look like I didnt know what I was doing, but that would be the point. To avoid all contrived feeling and just flow with the organic drums and the experience I was having within my own head.
Im sure you can be dancing and have an amazing experience.
Thats not how I would treat ayahuasca, but thats probably because I have not tried that yet.
Kaniz, you are gay, im sure that was alot harder to deal with than a 12 hour subtle ayahuasca trip. lol....... You will probably be able to understand it and all the respect it deserves given your experiences with psychedelics. You will learn alot even after a low dose. That may sound too contrived, but atleast at that point you can make your own brew and be your own shaman.
Start at a low dose. To learn how to brew the stuff requires such patience. Start low, VERY low. You are ready, and I can tell by how smart you are. Just make a weak brew. Use the same method next time, but use more water and more plant matter.
It is not something to use at ANY sort of a party, but you will know how to use it if you know your plants and know your dose after your first try.
Good luck dude.
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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material. No 'thing' fixes any situation. If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.
Edited by yageman (10/17/06 11:08 PM)
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thehandtruck
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Edited by thehandtruck (10/18/06 01:21 AM)
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Quake3
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In NY, one dealer told me "ha.. it comes around once in a blue moon." Other than that I hear my friends say "I think I found somebody who can get acid" and never hear about it again. I know a few people in Canada and some different states on the East coast who also say it comes around.
Usually what happens is it comes around in high quantity but people buy a huge amount of doses at once to stock up. These people aren't dealers, but are stocking up for personal use, and will share/sell to friends. So if you're 'in' the network, you will probably have a constant supply. If you're not, it can take a while of searching to finally get in, and even when you do it's not permanent.
I have a friend in another state who has 40 hits. He buys 100 hits of it when it and it lasts until the next time it comes around. He doesn't mail it though, nor would he sell. He wouldn't mind dosing me since we're friends though, but I'm SOL until I'm free to drive there.
Edited by Quake3 (10/18/06 02:53 AM)
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Brewmaster
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: Quake3]
#6181402 - 10/18/06 08:23 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Thats not how I would treat ayahuasca, but thats probably because I have not tried that yet."
Yageman, So are you saying you've never done Aya?
There is nothing divine about acid, it's a fucking man made chemical. Anyone who has ever had an ayahuasca experience in the proper settings would sooner shit all over a sheet of blotter than take it for some pseudo-religious purpose. Acid is garbage, wake up.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now thats is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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thehandtruck
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You think a drug is garbage and just a drug. But you wouldn't give it to somebody who thinks it might improve their life or...they would enjoy it. I see who wears the pants in this relationship. Also you're a moron.
It's a man made chemical so it's dismissed outright? Maybe man was trying to help mankind and this is what came out at the right time. (Think nuclear energy era).
All of that side, all of you being a moron aside, all of you not thinking acid is anything but garbage aside. This is why I'm frustrated people like you can find some, and not others. YOU PROVED MY POINT EXACTLY THANK YOU.
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Brewmaster
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sorry, I just dropped my favorite coffee mug. I apologize.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now thats is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
Edited by Brewmaster (10/18/06 11:11 AM)
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kaniz
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: Brewmaster]
#6181593 - 10/18/06 10:39 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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there is no emoticon to express my amazement at the post above me.
1. LSD was discovered by Albert Hoffman
2. It was first widly produced by Sandoz
3. Much of its first use / expirments involved Psychiatrics
Yes, the CIA did do a number of expirments with it - but your point being? The CIA, and many other goverments/agencies in many other countires have looked into many drugs for various uses, from 'mind control', to truth syrums, to enchancing the performance of their armies --- whats your point? I wouldnt be suprised to find out that they have also looked into many other psychedelicss also beyond LSD.
Also, Yageman has tried Aya --- he was just saying 'he hasnt tried getting up and dancing around while on it'.
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thehandtruck
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Let's take a second to realize that for some reason, people like Brewmaster are the ones who have the acid connections now. These are along the same lines that kids in HS can get acid easier than professors at universities.
It's not just one idiot, it's an entire generation.
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Brewmaster
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I'm not an idiot. I'm a fuck of alot smarter than some punk ass kid who thinks that acid is some fucking miracle drug that's going to save the god damn planet.
After tripping well over 100+ times, I know the potential of LSD. It is no miracle drug, it's just a drug. And if you need drugs to be happy then I pity you. You may want to lay off of them and re-examine your life as a whole. If you were in my area I would go out of my way to get you all the acid you could ever want ( after I smack you around a little ). Yes, it's fun to do when you're young ( and I assume you have yet to hit puberty ) but as knowledge is gained, one finds that most chemicals are only a shitty replacement or placebo for "enlightenment".
Acid is like using a penny to fill a spot for a blown fuse in your car. Yes, it will work for a little while and keep your stereo playing, but it is a temporary fix and not the way it was designed. There are better ways to learn about yourself and "expand your mind" than chemicals.
By the way, I teach at a university.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now thats is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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thehandtruck
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Is it the Ramtha school of Enlightenment?
Nobody NEEDS anything. Nobody is taking drugs (acid) to be happy. If you read at all, you'd understand that. I'm say there is untapped potential in people, and acid seems to bring it out. Could it be you had no potential to be tapped?
By the way, I understand how to form a pragmatic arguement.
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ExplosiveMango
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: yageman]
#6182636 - 10/18/06 03:16 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
yageman said:
For example, anyone who says ayahuasca is just another drug is on my shit list.
You have a hard time removing yourself from your own point of view, which I don't understand in someone as experienced as you.
You have to realize that no point of view is inappropriate. It is only a point of view. You respond to ignorance as if it were aggression, turning it immediately into conflict.
If you want your points of view to be understood, or respected, the BEST thing you can do is present them in an understandable, and respectable, manner. Putting down another's point of view may make yours seem 'better', but simply considering the situation from a wider scope will show you this is not the case. You will have simply ensured another disinterested 'hipster kid'.
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: Brewmaster]
#6182689 - 10/18/06 03:29 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Brewmaster said:
I'm not an idiot. I'm a fuck of alot smarter than some punk ass kid who thinks that acid is some fucking miracle drug that's going to save the god damn planet.
After tripping well over 100+ times, I know the potential of LSD. It is no miracle drug, it's just a drug. And if you need drugs to be happy then I pity you. You may want to lay off of them and re-examine your life as a whole. If you were in my area I would go out of my way to get you all the acid you could ever want ( after I smack you around a little ). Yes, it's fun to do when you're young ( and I assume you have yet to hit puberty ) but as knowledge is gained, one finds that most chemicals are only a shitty replacement or placebo for "enlightenment".
Acid is like using a penny to fill a spot for a blown fuse in your car. Yes, it will work for a little while and keep your stereo playing, but it is a temporary fix and not the way it was designed. There are better ways to learn about yourself and "expand your mind" than chemicals.
By the way, I teach at a university.
It sounds to me like you are someone who once had hope, and who gave that up for the reality being sold to them at the best price.
If you do not see the potential for world changing effects in a drug which can change the very nature of the guardians of that world, clearly, you have done either too much or too little acid.
I happen to be an electrical engineer. Old minds like you have no idea what is possible, they seemed to just use acid like it was some fucking penny where a fuse should have been, and wasted their minds daydreaming. Some of us study electromagnetic field theory, quantum theory, neuro-chemistry, and nanotechnology. Some of us watch the effects of LSD so that we may understand and apply them.
When a drug lets me see with my eyes what I am understanding can never be seen, to the fullest extent of my understanding, you better fucking believe it's going to change your world.
And is it just me, or were you old folks a little quick to let them snatch away your freedom to explore the possibilities of LSD?
You coward. Your failure won't inhibit me.
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LysergicRide
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: hypermale]
#6182711 - 10/18/06 03:35 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think when LSD went underground in 2000... I think it caused a generation gap of users... So the new generation of college students and people in their 20's aren't taking it because they didn't grow up into the popularity of it. If it hadn't been curiosity or fascination, I know I would have never dreampt of taking it... but then again I have not ever used any other drugs before 
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Brewmaster
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Again I apologize if I seem to be trampling on anyone's beliefs. But MY belief is that a human being does not NEED acid or any drug to "tap your potential", if you can't recognize your own abilities without getting spun then there's a problem.
Yageman is right in saying that ayahuasca is not just another drug. DMT is a chemical that is produced in our brains and when aya is taken, it is essentially upping the dose of something that is already in our bodies. This is a much more spiritual endeavor as anyone who has ever done it will tell you.
Handtruck, I've known my potential.I teach at a four year art school, sell paintings for big bucks when I have time and also do tattoo work. And if you are just dying to trip then jimminy crickets, grow some shrooms like everyone else here. Or better yet; order some cactus. Mescaline lasts longer and it feels better. You can order a kilo of dried peruvian torch on ebay for $95 and it's good quality. I think its from someone who hangs around here. That should last you until the L rolls around.
"By the way, I understand how to form a pragmatic arguement." it's unfortunate that you can't spell it tho. BOO YAH!!!
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now thats is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: Brewmaster]
#6182774 - 10/18/06 03:56 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bullshit, just because it's man-made doesn't make it any less divine. God has acted through man since there was man. If you don't get anything spiritual out of it, I respect that...it's not for everyone, and we all have our own personal allies; the substances/tools that work best for us. However, making a blanket statement like that is just ignorant, how can you say what others have experienced through LSD. You can't. To me, LSD is a direct link to God, along with DMT...and the fact that it is man-made doesn't make that any less true or signifigant. I know what I experience, just as you know what you've experienced. Don't take offense to this post, I'm not trying to be a dick.....I just want you to understand that LSD IS divine to some of us.
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: Brewmaster]
#6182784 - 10/18/06 03:59 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mango, I'm 25. And how dare you call me a coward. I challenge you to a duel!!
All I'm saying is that LSD is not the end-all-be-all of drugs and it's only going to take you so far.
Darkstar: I'll accept that. You da man.
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On storing pedro tea...
Brewmaster: Well, the mescaline will still be in there, but I'd be afraid of it conjealing and trying to escape after it grew in size from eating all the other shit in my fridge, and possibly my dogs if it got out.
Pithlit: sentient drugs, now thats is an idea ...
OneMoreRobot: Idea? It's a fuckin' reality. You know Salvia? Nigga stole my TV.
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ReoSpeedwagon153
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: Brewmaster]
#6182917 - 10/18/06 04:51 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's the truth, LSD isn't quite it JUST FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT IT IS SYNTHETIC!
All hallucinogens have a context of use, and this is instrumental in determining the types of realms the journeyer will assemble. LSD has only been used for fifty some years, and it's context of use must thus be considered very small. Mushrooms and ayahuasca have been used for hunderds of thousands of years, so they have a very large context of use.
LSD therefore, can take you to more magnificent, higher realms of consciousness, but only through human consciousness. Mushrooms and ayahuasca put you more in tune with the natural, organic cycles and show you the hallucinogenic realm as it more genuinely is. LSD is quite human, while the natural tryptamines feel much larger and more connected.
I've only taken it twice, after a few years of using shrooms, cactus, and ayahuasca combinations and analogs. Each time I took acid (about a year apart), I got what I assumed was a larger than average dose, and each time I had the assumption that were it not for my prolonged use of natural tryptamines, I would have had some very bad experiences.
I'm quite sure a lot of people have had a lot of trouble with LSD, and this eventually prompts people to stop using it, and abandon the realms and states of mind they have been creating and inhabiting. Mushrooms are more likely to force you beyond your problems, because they have something important to comunicate to you.
Anyway, this isn't about those who use LSD after they've had some kind of breakthrough experience. It's about inexperienced trippers taking lots of acid and not knowing why their best intended enlightenments become schizophrenic nightmares. Mushrooms are less likely to do that sort of thing I think...
Edited by ReoSpeedwagon153 (10/18/06 04:57 PM)
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Re: What Happened to LSD [Re: Brewmaster]
#6183099 - 10/18/06 05:52 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Brewmaster said:
Mango, I'm 25. And how dare you call me a coward. I challenge you to a duel!!
All I'm saying is that LSD is not the end-all-be-all of drugs and it's only going to take you so far.
Darkstar: I'll accept that. You da man.
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That's funny, I thought you must be old.
Yeah, I know that you're just trying to quiet down the dreamers... but you should be VERY careful not to overlook the potential for saving the world... in anything.
Think about it... LSD is a man made substance interacting with your THOUGHTS.
We have the technology to use electromagnetic fields to resonate molecules at only a single frequency. We know the natural frequency of LSD. We know how to measure the inertial response of electrically excited mass.
You realize I just said-
"The first person who learns to control the pattern of LSD in their brain learns to control the pattern on the computer screen with their mind"
-right?
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